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Location: Denver, CO | So laugh at my ineptitude and call me a moron now... Ok. Got it out of your system? Here's my question: I play an open G 300023. Sometimes I play what I call "contemporary," because a worship leader friend showed it to me and said a lot of people are using it: 3X0033. Recently, I have been working on a new song with the 5th string B added: 320033. Does that chord have a name? Or is it just another voicing for G? How would you notate it on a chord chart or lead sheet? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't you mean 320003 for an open G? My guitar teacher uses 320033 all the time and calls it a G, maybe just because he knows I'm a moron when it comes to this stuff and all those numbers and letters go right over my head. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | In a lot of the music we use at church, that chord is labelled G/D. |
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Location: Utah | The 3X0033 is a Gsus. It has no 3rd in it, so it is a "suspended" chord which has no flavor or identity. The 320033 is a G chord without any special name that I know of. |
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Location: SoCal | No, it would be more a Gadd5 as you're adding the 5th note on the G scale (a D note). A Gsus adds the C note on the B string. I think...... |
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Location: SoCal | patchmcg - 2013-09-18 11:41 AM
In a lot of the music we use at church, that chord is labelled G/D.
A G/D would be a G chord with a D as the bass note, not a D within the chord. xx0433 or xx0003. Also known as slash chords. The first letter is the chord, the second is the bass note played with the chord.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | And who says I waste my time on this board? I've been meaning to ask my music teacher what those slashes, sus and add meant, but I keep forgetting. He has seen my eyes glaze over when he talks about that stuff. |
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Location: Flahdaw | I play LOTS of different G's, but the sound has to fit the song. Usually 320033, but if I need it, 320013. (And I'm usually hammering the 2nd and 3rd strings, 2nd fret) |
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Location: Denver, CO | I had thought to label it a G/B but was told that was wrong. Yes, Mark I meant 320003. Lysdexia again. So Bob, you just label that as G? I know what you mean about church music. Gets too complicated for me sometimes. I often have to play around with a song until I find which root chords work and just eliminate a lot of the hammers-on and pull-offs and adds. Okay, I get it. Patch your statement seems logical, but I've also always been told the /note indicates an added bass pitch...
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | It's used in Contemporary Christian Music......It's called the Gsus (Jesus) chord......
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Location: Flahdaw | dwg preacher - 2013-09-18 6:48 PM
So Bob, you just label that as G?
For ME it's a G. It starts OFF as a G, that I might spruce up as needed. To me it's like English with a British accent or a southern accent....same words underneath, just different inflections. |
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | I play G like that most of the time, I like the way it sounds better than the conventional G. I had always thought it was a G/D too. Love to learn new stuff... |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | immoody - 2013-09-18 3:00 PM
patchmcg - 2013-09-18 11:41 AM
In a lot of the music we use at church, that chord is labelled G/D.
A G/D would be a G chord with a D as the bass note, not a D within the chord.
I actually knew that, but most of the printed music we have does label the chord that way. Not that it's the be all of music theory or anything.
I actually use that fingering quite often in my songs, and usually juxtapose it against the standard G and its variations.
I did try to run it through various chord generators, and they all labelled it as simply "G". |
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Location: NW Washington State | 320003 is GBDGBG
320033 is GBDGDG so all three notes are there with no extras. I'd call it a G.
3x0033 is GxDGDG so there are only root and fifth notes. I'd call it a G5 and think of it as a version of the "power chord". Could be major or minor.
320013 is GBDGCG so the C is an added fourth. I'd call it a Gsus4. There is some tension between the 5th string B and the 2nd string C, but they're far apart. There are other versions of a sus4 that would leave the B out.
I like to play a G as 3x543xx. Easy on my weak fingers and moveable.
hmmm, I wonder if I've got that right. I don't usually think of chords as a string of fret numbers, and seeing all those letters run together is making my eyes bug out.
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Location: Utah | I think a suspended chord is simply one with no 3rd, thus it is neither major nor minor. So a Gsus would have no B note. 330033 would be Gsuspended, or Gsus.
If the chord has a C in it, it would be an added 4th. So if the chord were 320013 it would be Gadd4. If the chord were 330033 it would be Gsusadd4, shortened to Gsus4.
330013 would also be a form of Gsus4.
Then we could have a Gsus2, played 300033 or xx0233.
I'm afraid to ask my jazz violin friend who surely knows how all this works, but she'd give me a 30 minute explanation leaving me even more confused.
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Location: NW Washington State | My interpretation is that a suspended chord adds an extra note- but not the typical seventh- most often a fourth. Sometimes the third is left out and it's still called a sus4.
I think the chords with only root and fifth are usually called "5", like G5. But they're usually the simple two or three note shapes that work well with heavy distortion.
So I don't agree on the terminology. But they are all useful chords that you could play in place of the old standard open G.
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | A Gsus4 is actually the chord that you add the "A" and the "C". A G with another D added is a G add 5. James Taylor prefers this chord over the
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Location: Denver, CO | FlySig - 2013-09-18 9:40 PM I think a suspended chord is simply one with no 3rd, thus it is neither major nor minor. So a Gsus would have no B note. 330033 would be Gsuspended, or Gsus.. That helps explain another confusion I had: My chord chart lists all sus chords as sus4. I assume that means this particular editor added the 4th to replace the 3rd, and what he failed to note is that there is actually a sustained chord that is NOT a sus4, within each grouping? It seems to me (and I can point directly at myself here) that we create a lot of confusion when we, through "self-taught," or "jazz influenced," or "classically trained," or whatever background, we begin to blur the lines of appropriate or standardized notation. That appears evident by the discussion instigated by a simple "what's this called" question. Anyhoo, I'm enjoying the conversation, and learning a lot. Incidentally, and totally off-topic, I just found out Gungor's moving in to our rehearsal complex. I did meet Michael one time, but it will be cool to have a group of that kind of stature nearby. Maybe something'll rub off?!
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Location: Upper Left USA | Its all relative... I would call it a Gsus because I would play it along with Csus, F/Dsus and Em+ which works for my mind. Example: 320033 x32033 022033 200233-2 It could also be confused as an anti-social commentary but that has never been my intention. 
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Location: Suisun City, Ca | mymartind35 - 2013-09-19 9:22 AM A Gsus4 is actually the chord that you add the "A" and the "C". A G with another D added is a G add 5. James Taylor prefers this chord over the "G" as it gets rid of that pesky 3 note. It does sound better with the 5. I think the Gsus4 adds a 4th - "C", a Gsus2 would add a 2nd - "A" Do that with a D chord all the time, A chord too. Even E sometimes I always thought the 320033 was a G add5 |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | stonebobbo - 2013-09-20 10:12 AM
Your left hand is what you know. Your right hand is who you are.
I LOVE that!! Is that original or did you hear it someplace? Either way, it is more true than anything I've ever heard. May I use it?
Also, Dawg, the "sus" is short for suspended, not for sustained. The 2 or the 4 is "suspended" within the chord, and it replaces the 3rd. |
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Location: SoCal | MWoody - 2013-09-19 10:37 AM
Its all relative... I would call it a Gsus because I would play it along with Csus, F/Dsus and Em+ which works for my mind. Example: 320033 x32033 022033 200233-2 It could also be confused as an anti-social commentary but that has never been my intention.
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Location: Tennessee | CanterburyStrings - 2013-09-19 11:42 AM stonebobbo - 2013-09-20 10:12 AM Your left hand is what you know. Your right hand is who you are. I LOVE that!! Is that original or did you hear it someplace? Either way, it is more true than anything I've ever heard. May I use it? Not mine! It's something I heard many years ago that has always stuck with me. At one point, I looked to see if it was atrributed to anyone in particular, but to no avail. Absolutely use it, CS. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | immoody - 2013-09-19 1:37 PM
MWoody - 2013-09-19 10:37 AM
Its all relative... I would call it a Gsus because I would play it along with Csus, F/Dsus and Em+ which works for my mind. Example: 320033 x32033 022033 200233-2 It could also be confused as an anti-social commentary but that has never been my intention.
Always thought that guitar was the coolest one Ovation never built....
And I thought that was the coolest Ovation Gathering, because it was my first, not counting when Waskel showed up in his leather pants. |
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Location: Denver, CO | Also, Dawg, the "sus" is short for suspended, not for sustained. The 2 or the 4 is "suspended" within the chord, and it replaces the 3rd. Well I told you up front you're gonna call me a moron. Then I went and proved you (me) right.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I had no idea what it meant. It took me a long time to figure out that a G/D wasn't some kind of G chord divided by a D chord. I called it a G over D. Some of us are just getting here late and struggling to catch up. I probably never will get there, but the exercise is interesting. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | MWoody - 2013-09-19 6:07 PM
"And I thought that was the coolest Ovation Gathering, because it was my first, not counting when Waskel showed up in his leather pants."
Hey, what happens on the canoe trip STAYS on the canoe trip...
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | AstroDan - 2013-09-19 1:13 PM
mymartind35 - 2013-09-19 9:22 AM A Gsus4 is actually the chord that you add the "A" and the "C". A G with another D added is a G add 5. James Taylor prefers this chord over the "G" as it gets rid of that pesky 3 note. It does sound better with the 5. I think the Gsus4 adds a 4th - "C", a Gsus2 would add a 2nd - "A" Do that with a D chord all the time, A chord too. Even E sometimes I always thought the 320033 was a G add5
I guess I should have been more specific. A Gsus4 just adds the C, but I also add the A making it add two notes of the 4th chord-C. An A without the finger on the 2nd string, second fret is an Asus2. Same goes with a D. If you leave out the F# and let the E ring it's a Dsus2. Sus2 chords are done a lot in Contemporary Christian music. |
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Location: Denver, CO | I guess I should have been more specific. A Gsus4 just adds the C, but I also add the A making it add two notes of the 4th chord-C. An A without the finger on the 2nd string, second fret is an Asus2. Same goes with a D. If you leave out the F# and let the E ring it's a Dsus2. Sus2 chords are done a lot in Contemporary Christian music. I had learned those chords as simply A2 and D2. Yes they are very common in contemporary Christian, and I use them a lot in my own music. A country singer I used to work with used them both with hammer-ons and pulloffs as A2-Am, Am-A2, A-A2, etc etc. I guess I understand now what a G2 is? I've seen it notated but never seen a fingering for it. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Try 320203. I have always called that a Gadd9, but 9 and 2 are the same note, in this case an A. It's a really pretty chord. The difference between a "2" and a sus2 is that in the sus2 you have no third, but in a 2 (or add9), you still keep the third. And it sounds a lot better if the 2 and the 3 aren't right next to each other. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | 3ring finger, 2index, 2middle, 3pinky. It's a little hard to get to at first, but like any other "finger twister", just drill back and forth between it and whatever chord you are playing previous to it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Timely. I've been fussing with Eva Cassidy's "Over the Rainbow" that has the 320203 right after the intro. A lot of times with fingerstyle I see a chord that seems impossible to finger, but I don't use all the notes or can move my fingering while still technically staying on the same chord. Since I normally play a G with my little finger on the high E string, I can have my index finger free to try to get that additional second fret. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | dwg preacher - So laugh at my ineptitude and call me a moron now... Nope, 'cause you're not alone. Others of us here are learnin' too. "Slash chords", well sonofagun! ...so thaaaat's what those are!! found this instructional vid from Andrew Wasson Guitar Theory: Slash Chords - No More Mystery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrVslvtz5U AstroDan - Is this forum the best in all the world, or what? For Ovation fans, absOlutely! |
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Location: Denver, CO | I think I've been playing that add9 like 3x0233, with the free index finger on that A. And yes, Dan, I think this IS the best guitar forum in the world. |
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Location: Texas | Where's Dobro?
I suspect he could tell us the correct names of all of the chords mentioned above, plus different ways to play them, plus hundreds of variations. I envy his deep knowledge of theory (& his playing,) but I've gotten away with, "it's some sorta G" for many years...
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Location: New Bern, NC | My, my, there are a lot of misconceptions here about chords. I see one or two of you got it right. Music theory, love it! A G-chord fingered 3X0033 has no third (B note) and is therefore not a major OR minor chord. You HAVE to have a 3rd to distinguish between major and minor. Chords like this tend to have an "open" sound with no third. I'm not an electric player, but I think "power chords" are like this. You finger the lower strings and there is no 3rd. If there is a 3rd, it's a minor third. If you finger it: 320033 you do get the 3rd of the chord on the 5th string, but it tends to have an "open" sound with the 3rd in the lower register. Adding that D note on the 2nd string is not a suspension. A suspended 2nd chord adds the 2nd note of the chord. For a G-chord that would mean you would add an A note. For a suspended 4th chord you would add the 4th of the chord, thus a C note. When I say 2nd and 4th of a G I am referring to a scale starting from G: G A B C D E F G. A is the 2nd and C is the 4th. Suspensions tend to want to resolve up or down. For example, the G note in the Dsus4 wants to resolve down to F#. The E note in the Dsus2 wants to resolve UP to the F#. Other chords that add other scale notes, usually to "color" the chord are not suspensions because they don't sound like they want to resolve to something else.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | "A suspended 2nd chord adds the 2nd note of the chord. For a G-chord that would mean you would add an A note. For a suspended 4th chord you would add the 4th of the chord, thus a C note."
But you do agree that the 2nd or 4th take the place of the 3rd, right? If you still have the third in the chord, it is an add9 or add11. And of course if you have both the 3rd and a dominant 7th and add the 9 or 11 you just have a plain old 9th chord or 11th chord. |
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Location: Chicago | I'm here... learning with the rest! I think the bases are covered: Given a G triad (G B D) you can mix those notes up (invert) however you like, whatever sounds good to the ear. If you play the triad over a specially desired bass note, esp a note NOT in the chord, it is written as a slash chord: G/F = G chord with an F bass. A chord will be "extended" if you keep building in thirds: G B D F (= G7) G B D F A (= G9) etc. Typical extensions are 9, 11, 13. Then there are "altered" chords where you "tweak" one of the tones IN the triad or one of the natural extensions. Example: G B Db F = G7b5; so altered chords are notated G7#9, G7b5b9 etc. Or, you could just drop into the triad whatever note you like, then it is often notated "add": So an open G chord with an "A" on the third string is "G add 9" (or "G add 2". If a chord has replaces the third with the fourth it is "suspended" So the notes in G sus would be GCD. If you have a seventh in the mix it is usually notated G11 (GDFC). Note that a great deal has to do with which octave a note is in. If you play a G chord over a C bass it's better to say G/C. If you are playing the C in a middle register (string 5 or 2) then it might be a G sus. If you are playing the C at the top of the chord over a G7 sound, then it's definitely a G11. Finally, if it's just G and D (no B no C) you'll find it identified as "G5" "Ironman" anyone? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Now what if I tune to DADGAD or use a cut/partial cappo?
No, please don't answer... I just think it sounds good and I don't have to move my ring and pinky fingers. |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | It's called the "Take It Easy" chord - lol! 
I've heard it called G modal and G5drone(no 3rd). Most of the time when I play a G, I play that chord (320033). The nice thing about it is you can go back and forth between the G5 (230033); C9 (X32033); Fmaj7mutant (XX3233); and Dsus4 (XX0233) without lifting your ring and pinky fingers off the 1st and 2nd strings. Lots of country rock songs turn on those chords. I always thought the G you're asking about has a nice "rock 'n' roll-y" sound to it. Nice and ringy, like the first chord of Gordon Lightfoot's "Sundown." which is E5drone(no 3rd). With a capo on the 3rd fret, that's...G5drone(no 3rd).
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| It's called the "Take It Easy" chord - lol!
That's funny. We always used to refer to the 320033 G chord as a "Pink Floyd" G chord. Seems that they use it a lot like for "Wish You Were Here" and "Pigs On The Wing".
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Jimmer - 2013-10-03 9:19 AM
It's called the "Take It Easy" chord - lol!
That's funny. We always used to refer to the 320033 G chord as a "Pink Floyd" G chord. Seems that they use it a lot like for "Wish You Were Here" and "Pigs On The Wing".
I think it's the same G chord that Warren Zevon used for "Keep Me In Your Heart".
It IS the "Wish You Were Here" chord as well - and probably the Zevon chord too. It gets used a LOT - I use it whenever I need a "G" chord... |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | Interesting; G/B is usually X20030, or X20033. I think the first of these would be more accurately called G6/B...
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | It's a Bluegrass G...
As opposed to a Normal Hippie Pot-Circle Freebird G...
Not to be confused with the I'm-gonna-confuse-people G...
Cuz I am going to a C or a D7 after this.
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Location: Utah | I do the "I'm-gonna-confuse-people G" because it is the easiest form to transition to/from. It also feels much more relaxed than the hippie pot circle form, which confuses me when I see someone play it that way. |
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Location: Denver, CO | I've never done the "I'm gonna confuse people" G. I do like a G6-G7 transition sometimes though. I'll try that one on those G-Dm or G-D7 transitions. The one I most often use is the hippie G. OMA GREAT chart! |
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Modified G chord: what's it called?