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Location: Michigan | i ran across one of my favorite bands from back in the 60's on you tube and took a look at some live playing in the 2000's and i was so saddened by what i saw and heard.i think that there is a time that you have to be honest with yourself and say it is time to stop.so sad.GWB
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | If you are just listening (and not watching) it ain't as bad as it could be... 
(Just don't click that older version and do a side-by-side)
That reminds me... Maybe I should get some of that "Just for Men" stuff before the Gathering.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I've never heard of em, but why should they retire? They're obviously enjoying themselves and I reckon they sound pretty good. We're all getting older but that's no reason to stop doing the things that give you pleasure. I found nothing sad about that clip. I found it inspirational, a bunch of old blokes strutting their stuff.
Yeah, probably would've sounded better if they'd recorded it in a studio, or even a mix down from the sounddesk. Cut them some slack, you can't gauge how good or bad they are based on the sound captured on a HandyCam's microphone. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | They should keep doing it as long as they enjoy it.
A lot of blues guys play(ed) live into their 70s and 80s. Look at BB King 87 years old and still touring. He always looks like he's having a good time playing.
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Location: Denmark | "when is it time to retire from playing live???" When no one listens anymore. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Depends how you want to be remembered. There is something to be said about walking away from your game at the top ...
Willie Mays as a Met? Joe Montana as a Chief? Michael Jordan as a Wizard? |
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Location: Michigan | i guess i was a little rough on my post.as i age i truly want to be doing what i was good at at one point but i don't want to go down as a you should of stopped when you still had some gas left in the tank .
hey maybe they still have to work for a living and i understand that but
sometimes people just keep trying to keep their gig going for ever and ever no matter how poorly they may regressed.
i just don't get having only one member of a band left that was an original and having everybody in the world including grand children play and calling themselves the same band as they were 50 years ago.
i agree with standingo i want to remember people when they were on top of their game and even when they are in their sunsets but i don't want to remember them when they get to old to perform somewhat like they use to do.
i give cudo's to glen cambell ( his kids and wife ) for going out like he did, his kids will keep his legacy alive for a long time and he went out on top of his game with his legacy well remembered as a huge top rated musical entertainer from the start of his career to the end of it.
it reminds me of all of the great boxers of the seventies eighties nineties trying to keep it going and going and end up getting beat up so badly it was embarrassing to go out like that. ( ali, hearns, duran, holmes, ect...)
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I think the time to quit is when you stop GROWING as a musician. Bands or artists who continue to play the same old songs are just spinning their wheels. There are lots of musicians who play long into their old age and they remain fresh because they continue to learn new techniques and new styles. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I didn't start playin' for people until I joined the OFC so I'm still feelin' fresh and have some years to go.
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Tho the venues might be the local retirement homes.
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Location: Flahdaw | guitarwannabee - 2013-07-14 3:33 PM
i give cudo's to glen cambell ( his kids and wife ) for going out like he did, his kids will keep his legacy alive for a long time and he went out on top of his game with his legacy well remembered as a huge top rated musical entertainer from the start of his career to the end of it.GWB
Had he not been stricken with Alzheimers, trust me, he would have continued to play WELL past the age he should have stopped. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Tryin' to think of another example of someone who went on to long.
Burton Cummings comes to mind. He had a great powerful rock voice with the Guess Who.
Saw a show on Palladia a while back and even with a changed key and some octive cheats, it was still not very pretty.
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If the Who did another tour they might have crossed that line.
Roger's voice was 75% of prime at it's best, and sometimes, less than that.
The last six tours or so they always made of point to say... "we'll be back".
This last time they offered an extended "thanks for all the years" and "good bye".
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Robert Plant opened for The Who a couple tours ago... He was at about 50% that particular night. I have heard him do much better since.
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I guess it's singers who suffer most with the ravages of time.
A guitar can always be re-strung.
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Location: Flahdaw | Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon have both lost their voices. Mel Torme trained like an Olympic athlete to keep singing into old age. You have to be extremely dedicated to sing well into old age. No drugs, booze, caffeine, etc....gotta be pretty crazy. |
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Location: Michigan | crosby & nash ( still ha-ha ) seem to put it together on a few songs.GWB |
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www.twitter.com/lmills007
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | The rock genre can be a bit rougher than most I think. David Lee Roth can't carry a tune in a bucket anymore but Sammy Hager does just fine and is doing more now than when he was touring in his pre-Halen heyday. Blue Oyster Cult is still touring and have new tunes within the last 10 years. I have mixed emotions about some of the older groups. If they are singing only the same songs they had 30 years ago, and they can still kick'em out... I'm fine with that. But if they can't still nail'em... write some new stuff and throw in a few hits to keep the hardcore fans happy. I know I'm in the minority of BOC fans here, you have to admire their style. While a rather ruined event costing them more than they gained due to a hurricane named Sandy... they lined up a 40th anniversary concert in NYC. They purposely went out of their way to get find tunes they hadn't played live, maybe hadn't actually recorded, rarely played, b sides, etc... They dug up original musicians, lyricists and cow bell players that were involved with them to give a unique show. They still tour close to 100 days a year, so for a special show, it needed to be special. Not to many musicans and groups operate that way anymore. Other groups have reunion and farewell and anniversary tours and play the same setlists they've played for 30+ years... maybe it gives them joy, but I'm not interested. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | darkbarguitar - 2013-07-15 4:17 PM
Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon have both lost their voices. Mel Torme trained like an Olympic athlete to keep singing into old age. You have to be extremely dedicated to sing well into old age. No drugs, booze, caffeine, etc....gotta be pretty crazy.
Carly Simon lost her voice due to the radiation she had to have for her breast cancer. A friend of mine had the same thing happen - she still sings and sings well, but her voice is very raspy now.
And Joni has all sorts of health problems, yes, some of them brought on by smoking. But you can tell just by looking at her she is not well - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhJHY05rX8
This is from a show she did one month ago. She is 70 years old and looks much older. She has "retired" from singing because she KNOWS she can't sing anymore, but on this special occasion she did sing, and although she was scared, she still did pretty well. Nobody has the phrasing Joni has. I only wish she had started singing jazz right from the start. But then we would have missed all of the great folkie stuff she did early in her career.
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Location: NJ | david feiberg was the only original one up there the rest just hacks.
I guess he needs the money kinda sad but he should be able to get better players to back him up
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | We opened for Dr. Hook about 20 years ago. When they pulled up the inside of the bus looked like it was on fire (straight out of a Cheech and Chong movie). They stumbled inside and asked if they could use our gear. It was sad really. Ray had a big round band-aid over his eye, no patch and he wore sunglasses through the whole show and he was the only original member. No need to go any further, they didn't get asked back to that venue. The only nice thing was, they did use our gear. So we got the artist mix. That was very nice.
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Location: Miami | BOC... time to play B sides. Hehehe.
I saw them in the 90s and they sounded better than they did in the 70s. Then I saw Steppenwolf and could not believe even they sounded better than they did in the 60s. But 10 years later, the voice finally caved in. It seems that it's very hit or miss with these classic rockers. I for one swear that half of them should rock on, and the other half should retire.
Now, that being said, if it was me, I'd probably keep doing it until I didn't enjoy it anymore.
The freakiest vocal comeback in my opinion: Sting. In the 90s and 2000s during his solo stuff he just couldn't hit the old Police notes. Now he can. I know they transposed some songs down, but some they didn't.
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Location: Orlando, FL | BOC is and was a great band. I've seen them live many times, but it's been about 10 years. They came to town the last 2 years and I couldn't make the shows, but talked to people who said they rocked. I hope they come through this year. Buck Dharma is a champ of cool guitar hooks and has a cool unique style.
As far as old artist/bands who still have it Paul Rodgers is still a GREAT singer. The whole bad company reunion looks just about as good as they ever were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMTpMAQz9-w&feature=endscreen&NR=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03q-xIMgk98 Another 2 guys that still have it: Leslie West and Peter Frampton. This is a great clip of them doing Mississippi Queen. The music doesn't start til about 1:30. Leslie west had his leg amputated a year or so ago due to diabetes, but still tours regularly. In the video, he says to Frampton "my manager's dead, his manager's dead, we both had the same agent, he's dead, what the f@ck are well still doing here Peter?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMhPgo2fofg&list=FLyBxmeeh1XzfRbqzCmP0fRg&index=4 |
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Location: cincinnati, ohio | We’ve been playing 42 years (44 if you count an early duo). Vocally we’ve been lucky; we sound pretty much the same as we did back in the day (and I have the CDs to prove it – lol!). We still have our choice of places to play, a regular following, and appreciative responses. So as long as we can still bring it, why should we stop?
As far as the pros – we all have examples of people who have “lost it.” What about those who still have it? James Taylor hasn’t dropped a stitch. Eagles – their harmony still soars. Crosby, Stills and Nash (surprisingly) sounded great at Riverbend last year, and on their DVD. Even Stills . He was hitting the high note on the “Suite:” – “It’s my HEART that a sufferin’ and a dyin’…” – no problem. Original key, too. Jackson Browne is another example.
I think it’s interesting, too, that the repertoires of the above artists all lean toward the mellow side. Easier on the voices.
And speaking of someone who hasn’t lost a step – what about Tony Bennett? Wow!
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2. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
3.You haven't taken a breath in more than thirty minutes....
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Location: Flahdaw | tpa - 2013-07-14 12:41 PM
"when is it time to retire from playing live???" When no one listens anymore.
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Location: Nashville TN. | guitarwannabee - 2013-07-13 11:25 PM
i ran across one of my favorite bands from back in the 60's on you tube and took a look at some live playing in the 2000's and i was so saddened by what i saw and heard.i think that there is a time that you have to be honest with yourself and say it is time to stop.so sad.GWB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V92me4aMj0
Little Jimmy still playing at age 92 ........ |
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Location: Michigan | these guys gave it up in 2012 and with some weaker vocals expected at their age they still sounded very good. what a great drum solo and great bass guitar playing.
this is the way i would like to see a great band go out on top of their game.GWB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7V68w5hiA
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | They quit because they are dead. The lead guitarist died in Jan. 2012 and the bass player in Dec. 2012. I bet if they were still alive they'd still be playing.
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when is it time to retire from playing live???