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Location: Chicago | Another thread got me curious: Superficially, the '08 Adamas Collector's resembles the 1581-5 RI. The "contour v. deep bowl" threads have been inconclusive. Can slots and carvings affect the acoustic sound of a guitar?
Has anyone been able to play an '08 and a 1581 side-by side? How about the plugged-in sound? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I'd need some convincing that there is any significant acoustic sound difference... maybe some increased sustained with the slothead...
More a matter of appointments and 'lectronics...
(have never picked-up an 08C...YMMV) |
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| Well after now buying and sell more than a few Adamas 1's in the past few years myself, I have yet to compare the 1's to an Adamas 2. I am quite sure there is little difference in sound, so if the only comparison is sound reproduction then I'd say there is not much difference.
The draw for me is that fantastic sound but with the bling. That bling holds it's value better than any Ovation guitar I have ever owned. I took a slight loss on my CL and it took me 2 years to sell. My Adamas's went real well in the end. No loss and some profit actually.
I think the only differnce with the 08 collectors from the 1587's is the body binding? And the fact that it is inlayed with the 08 status.
NOw the collectors Adamas market has some value as well, so all in all it is a great great guitar, if your willing to go the price you'll retain most of its value and in several years it may be worth more.
FWIW Randy |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I don't think he's askin about re-saleability, NC. |
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Location: SoCal | All things being equal, there shouldn't be too much difference in sound. Unless the tops of the slothead reissues are different than the tops of the regular textured top Adamii...... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Didn't Al say that the '08 collectors is what he originally envisioned the OFC guitar to be?
The '08 has a wide neck which would really appeal to me and the contour and the cutaway and the bling...
Soundwise, probably what moody said.
Wasn't Dave getting an '08 collectors? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by muzza:
I don't think he's askin about re-saleability, NC. I collect guitars! (in a poor-man's sorta way...)
But I don't collect them to sell...
In my work, I have met people who have Hot Wheels cars, still in the box (on the card, really).
The kids don't get to play with 'em.
Do you buy a low-numbered, limited-edition, $5000 guitar to Play, or look at?
Just curious... :confused: |
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Location: Jet City | Couldn't tell you OMA... I've never had the $ to find out. :rolleyes: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Number 11/12 of the OFC guitar gets played almost daily. I don't buy anything to collect. My neighbor called me a guitar collector, but I didn't think I fit that mold. I play the collectible guitars more than I play the cheap ones. Collecting always has a connotation of storing, like those Hot Wheels cars, with the intent of selling when the value goes up. I like to use stuff and don't like selling it to someone else. Besides, the value of most "collectible" stuff usually goes down. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Do you buy a low-numbered, limited-edition, $5000 guitar to Play, or look at?
If I DID have that sort of cash, and if the guitar had the features and playability that made me want it that bad, I'd play it. No question.
Then again, realistically, would I spend $5k on a guitar?
Never!
ONE of the reasons I like Ovations so much. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Wasn't Dave getting an '08 collectors? YUP.
My dealer (Al) says it's just 'bout ready to ship. I had to have a little custom "tweek" included which slowed it down a bit. Ya'll know me - I hate to buy straight off the rack. I guess getting the rosewood sides to stick to the adamas top wasn't so easy.
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| I don't think he's askin about re-saleability, NC.
Muzza......I thought that if I answered as best I could, even with my limited experience, the "Sound" question. I might have the option of adding just what I feel the carvings and extras on these high end ovations are worth. ? This question , and comments about the uslessness of the carvings has come up time and time again, sometimes in a thread where I am trying to sell one of these highly figured Adamas's. SO take it for what it's worth, sorry if I did not keep the answer within the given parameters. I'll try harder on the next one.
Here's the next one..........
Yeah, I'd play the $5000 guitar in a heartbeat. My Adamas's are so freekin tough with that carbon fiber top and round bowl, they are the ultimate gigging guitars! You bump a $5000 Taylor on a microphone and you'll pass out from the divits and scratches it will leave. he Resale value comes up very quick the second it happens...... But no sweaton me.....my guitars are bullet proof...... I just keep smiling and playing and answering questions from the audience about my "Strange" but Beautiful guitars after each set.
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Originally posted by stephent28:
Wasn't Dave getting an '08 collectors? YUP.
I guess getting the rosewood sides to stick to the adamas top wasn't so easy.
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Location: south east Michigan | Tuppy... care to share what's special about the special order??
Besides the gloss neck I mean. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | You didn't have them install one tuner crooked, did you? (sorry, that was low) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | That's a very close guess ... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Probably dropped in some waverly tuners (which would be a very cool touch!) |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | It seems difficult to try and guess at something you have not played: believe me, I have: I own it...2008-5 Collector #7
It really needs to be viewed, held, played, plugged in and marveled at! Is it expensive? Yes it is (although less than you'd expect). It is one of the most responsive and versatile guitars I own and is by far one of the best looking. I have played it for nearly four months now and before several audiences both big and small: everyone has marveled at it and many have come up to ask about it: and I relish the opportunity to tell them about this great guitar and the great company that makes it. How does it compare to the 1587? I don't know because I don't have one. I do know how it compares to a 1687: it has a slightly softer voice (although since I am not able to stand in front of the guitar: it may not be that different), and it is much lighter. What I do know is that the hand laid contour bowl is one of the most balanced Ovation/Adamas products I have ever played...this guitar is so light you can hardly believe it. The suspended top is a breakthrough and does wonders for the sound...The neck is balanced and the action is great (I did remove one shim); The stock tuners work great and the guitar stays in tune remarkably well; the looks are fabulous and even the pickguard that many have complained about is not that noticeable and does its job...
I will have this at Amelia and every where else the OFC meets this year that I can attend. Tupp will probably have his at the Island as well (just a guess: maybe not since he's flying) but anyone is welcome to try it out!
It is a great guitar and yes, I am proud to own it!
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Location: Chicago | Thus, a CONCLSUSION: the only difference is bling. That's a lot of $$ to pay for trim. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That's a real beauty.
I just wish I didn't have this incredible Collings itch going on at the moment. The scratch ;) it involves is not minimal! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | How do you get a conclusion when no comparision has been made? |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Like Mikey said: "Try it ...You'll like it" |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Greg, there has got to be a place around your town that would have one in stock. Call up Ovation and maybe they can tell you the name of a dealer nearby that has ordered one. |
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Location: Colorado | On topic - I bought #43 years ago to be played - and it was played nonstop - I don't think there is an orig. SH that was played more...the professor did one of the more comprehensive comparisons of two guitars - I've ever read...not sure of how the post started...bottom line do what you want - with the guitar you want...heavens - I modified my orig SH - to collectors' chagrins...but it made it a better players tool. I'm guessing the 08 collectors is phenomenal... |
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Location: SoCal | I have no doubt that the 08C is a great playing, great sounding guitar. But, no offense to those who own them, it's looks do absolutely nothing for me... |
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| Great guitar ! Another Ovation flagship addition. |
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Location: Munich, Germany | On topic - I have a 1581 Reissue and two Slothead Reissues. Had not yet the chance to play a 08C.
The 1581 is a great guitar with great sound - loud, bassy, but well balanced.
The Slotheads are just a little better.
Why? Obviously it's not the carving and bling. Neither do I think the greater breakangle on the slots does the trick.
I think it's the thinner bracing, a slightly different top, handlaid bowl on the Slotheads.
If the 08C has quite the same specs (handlaid contour bowl, maybe the same bracing and top) - it would probably sound better than the 1581 RI. With that said, better is again this icecream thing.
Kurt
If somebody says now, don't compare a cutaway with a full-bodied guitar - same is said for my 1687. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Point taken Paul: they're not for everone! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I personally like this guitar...I have a 47RI as well and does the 08 sound better than that guitar? To my ear, No, it does not...But, I have not heard any Adamas (except for an original slothead) which aounds better than the 47RI. That said, the 08C is a players guitar with advanced electronic's and it does sound really nice! Hey, whatever floats your boat. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Say Mike, I need a guitar for the clinic and would love to try out your '08 collectors. I have a 1581-5 reissue and really enjoy the bass tone of the single epaulet holes and the cutaway. |
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Location: Chicago | ProfBB: Have you noticed that the 1581-5 is a bit thin around middle C and on top strings between frets 5 and 10? I have been trying to record the plugged-in sound. RICH bass but thin on top. Or is it me? |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | It'll be there! I'm planning to bring the 1687, 1688, and the 08C...I'm hoping to get some info on the 08's VIP from Matt...to my ear, the differences in mic inages are very subtle...I want to find out more about it. |
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'08 Adamas Collector's v. 1581-5 RI