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| I know I'm all over the place on this 12 string safari, but I am trying to be patient and not buy on an impulse. So, I am looking at ALL the options. Of course, I would like a really COOL looking guitar, and I keep hoping to find one laying about that fits my budget. But, I am trying to go for sound and a US made one, if I can get both.
What's the over all impression of the 2058 T ? I know one was sold back and forth in these forums, a while back, because the search button told me so. What's the current resale amount for one, now ? How would you place them in the pyramid of 12 strings from Ovation ?
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I had one. It was Nice. Contour Bowl. And the Textured Top just let the vibrations Flow.
And a Tuna is always nice to have on any guitar, especially a 12er.
My T-12 went to Woody, so he might chime it.
(Now I have a Woody-Adamas 12er... So it all worked-out!  )
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| Are the 2058 Ts hard to find ? I see the TX , off shore version, more frequently. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | The USA 2058T's are probably impossible to find.
They were only made for less than a year before manufacture was transferred.
I searched hard for mine during the 2008 Blow-out sale.
I have only seen ONE on eBay... ever.
So if you see one, grab it.
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Location: Upper Left USA | The TX is trying to do an impression of the 2058T but don't be misled.
The USA made 2058T is an LX with a working man's paint job.
Grab one if you get the opportunity!
Me an OMA had a couple of the same ones (lost count) and wherever it is now the owner is a happy camper. |
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Location: Texas | Here is your opportunity... http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/msg/3231045214.html |
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| Jay,
Yeah. I saw that one. That was before I knew they were as rare as hen's teeth. I was assuming as they were pretty low key, and odd finished, they would be CHEAPER than some of the fancy Elites I had my eye on before. Now I know the story. So much for the cheaper idea.
BobG,
If I give you my PalPal address, just send me the money and I will just do it. Really.
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Location: Flahdaw | 12vers are a peculiar breed. Don't think you're gonna find a great one for 500 bucks, 'cos it's very unlikely. I don't even like 12 strings, but I do know the one's I've played that I actually sorta LIKED were well above a grand. $800 is a very reasonable price. |
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| I don't need a great one. I'm just looking for the best deal I can get. Some one told me, back when I joined, that I should be patient and a good deal would come along. Given I may not play the 12 string as much as I THINK I might, I don't want to drop a grand to find out. If my litany of questions bothers you, I will keep my questions in the PM section, from now on.
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Location: SoCal | JohnW63 - 2012-09-18 4:31 PM If my litany of questions bothers you, I will keep my questions in the PM section, from now on. Keep your thoughts and questions coming. Just wear your bullet-proof underwear. This one in Anaheim, http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/msg/3231045214.html , is a good price and near mint. We don't see them up for sale very often, which makes this the best deal going right now. The 12-T is a great guitar for the money and then some. It's close to me. I don't know where you are. I could give it my 100-point check-up and if it passes, pick it up and get it to you. If you are local, I'd even meet you and check it out with you. Take the plunge on this one, you will be glad you did. |
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| It's about an hour and a half from me. No big deal to drive. To be honest, I prefer the standard Elite look rather than the stealth look of this one. I just didn't know I was looking at a rare item when I checked out the listing. It's rarity makes me wonder if if would hold it's resale value better than some others.
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Location: Louisville, OH 44641 | It's hard to beat a good 12 string for rythm playing. I play mine often....love it. The 2058T's are supposed to sound fantastic...especially for the $$. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | JohnW63 - 2012-09-19 9:01 AM BobG, If I give you my PalPal address, just send me the money and I will just do it. Really. That IS a particularly eloquent comeback.  |
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Location: SoCal | JohnW63 - 2012-09-18 7:09 PM It's rarity makes me wonder if if would hold it's resale value better than some others. I think the "resale value issue" is needlessly paralizing you. You are looking for a guitar in a price range where you grab the most for your money and don't look back. This is not an investment grade instrument. $800 for a solid 12-string that can handle the string tension of standard tuning, stays in tune, and sounds great unpluged and pluged-in... that's a great deal. I am sure it will hold its value, but sometimes it's worth 100 bucks to play a guitar for a year and then try something else. The 12-T is different. I have seen/had too many standard Elites. Going cheaper... most of the time you get what you pay for. The last thing you want is a 12-string with issues. Sure, you might find the buy-of-a-lifetime, but there will probably be 50 other guys with their eyes on it. I would rather be playing than waiting and looking. We have all been there.
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Hell, its good for fingerstyle and lead work if you set it up right! |
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| Noah,
I didn't mean that a resale value was any sort of criteria for my purchase. I only mentioned it because it is going for well more than I wanted to spend and I was trying to talk myself into the increase. A little right brain - left brain argument. It's nothing I have thought about until just now.
I've never been in the " buy - try - sell - repeat " cycle. I generally buy and keep. I don't have a collection that I am trying to build. I guess if you DO that sort of thing, you buy and sell all the time. It's not something I've really considered. This one only popped into my head BECAUSE it was "rare".
You're probably right about all the other people seeing the same killer deal I am trying to get. The internet gives the same info to the whole world at the same time. Even if my "Google Foo" is strong, I'm not the only one who can find the buy of a lifetime.
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| OK, back to the guitar...
Wouldn't the textured finish ,on the spruce top, kill the tone ? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | JohnW63 - 2012-09-18 9:57 PM
OK, back to the guitar...
Wouldn't the textured finish ,on the spruce top, kill the tone ?
Actually it does the Opposite... It releases the tone.
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JohnW63 - 2012-09-19 9:01 AM BobG, If I give you my PalPal address, just send me the money and I will just do it. Really. That IS a particularly eloquent comeback.
Wow, you KNOW this forum has gone way downhill when THAT is considered a good comeback. Where's Cliff when you need him???? |
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| I'm a rookie in this forum. I still need info, so I can't bite the hands that feed me. More witty come backs may follow when I don't need you anymore. |
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Location: Miami | arthurseery - 2012-09-19 12:52 AM
JohnW63 - 2012-09-18 9:57 PM
OK, back to the guitar...
Wouldn't the textured finish ,on the spruce top, kill the tone ?
Actually it does the Opposite... It releases the tone.
Arthur ain't lyin'! The textured enamel is both thinner and stronger than the glossy finish, which is where the unique tone of the T tops comes from. In addition, the American T tops were significantly thinner than the Korean TX tops (about half as thin). As a result, while the TX's tone comes pretty close to the sound of the T when plugged in, when unplugged the TX loses a lot of the T's tone. The other difference between the TX and the T is that the TX went with tinted rosewood instead of ebony on the fretboard and bridge, and with the newer quintad bracing over the older X bracing. These 3 differences (the top, the fretboard/bridge, and the bracing) make the TX cheaper to build, and you can hear the difference when unplugged.
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| All the differences I never knew about. I just thought it was boring looking. It sounds like the "sleeper" guitar. |
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Now I have two Flamers and I really want a Reverse Blue Adamas....
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Location: Flahdaw | JohnW63 - 2012-09-19 2:06 PM
I'm a rookie in this forum. I still need info, so I can't bite the hands that feed me. More witty come backs may follow when I don't need you anymore.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | darkbarguitar - 2012-09-19 8:53 PM Wow, you KNOW this forum has gone way downhill when THAT is considered a good comeback. Where's Cliff when you need him???? #1 I said eloquent, not good, not witty. He put you in your place (in my opinion) without being offensive, which is an eloquent response to a perceived act of aggression. #2 if it was Cliff you were being hard on it would be up to Cliff to put you in your place. This newby is asking a lot of questions to a lot of knowledgeable people and getting a lot of good answers so he'll be armed and dangerous when that 500 is finally dusted off. I think he's got a perfectly legitimate right to do so and this is the ideal place to do it. Nothing wrong with trying to get the most bang for your 500 bucks and increasing your chances of getting it right first time. At least he hasn't asked what strings to use.... |
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Location: SoCal | muzza - 2012-09-19 2:26 PM At least he hasn't asked what strings to use.... Textured strings sound best on the 12-T...
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Hey John,
Theres this one at the Brea, CA Guitar Center. They've dropped the price to $549. I have a definite bias for these older Custom Balladeers as I've been playing one since the mid-80s and it is still a killer guitar. In fact, it's my sentimental favorite after all this time. I know you prefer the Elite style, but you may want to give it a look. It has the added advantage of GC's 30-day return policy, so the risk is definitely lower than getting one elsewhere.
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Location: Flahdaw | Mark in Boise - 2012-09-19 5:11 PM
Bob is the only witty guy we have left, and he's only half the wit of Cliff.
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Mark in Boise - 2012-09-19 5:11 PM
Bob is the only witty guy we have left, and he's only half the wit of Cliff.
Are you call me a Cliff half-wit?
Took you long enough. I'm not often so subtle.
Don't feel bad, most of us aren't even halfwits compared to Cliff. I think I had one decent retort. Jeff was another one. |
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| Patch,
I've been watching that one too. They've had it a while at $599 and dropped it 50 bucks in the last few weeks. I basically scan Guitar Center, Ebay, and now CraigsList every day. I check out the AGF classifieds too, but I never see anything affordable there. I joined some obscure forum since Google found a post of a guy selling two Ovations in a thread from last week. The admins haven't turned my account on , yet.
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Location: Flahdaw | muzza - 2012-09-19 5:26 PM
At least he hasn't asked what strings to use....
Uhhh.....
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/megabbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33...
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I dunno nothin' about these guitars, but this thread is full of people who do, other than the halfwit.
I've been to that Guitar Center in Brea many times. My impression is that it's a low volume store as GC's go and they have no Ovation knowledge. They might take a lot less than $549. The Anaheim T is a short trip down the 57 freeway. If Noah can help you out with either one, you'll be getting expert advice.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | darkbarguitar - 2012-09-20 8:32 AM Are you call me a Cliff half-wit? A half Cliff-wit maybe? I'd take that as a compliment. darkbarguitar - 2012-09-20 8:32 AM Ummm.... Damn! I missed that one... |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Every time I start to craft a devastating and truly humbling rejoinder with which to "poke" DB...er...BobG, Muzza's avatar catches my eye; and suddenly it's a half hour later and I'm feeling suspiciously serene, despite having made a donation to a charity whose name I can't quite remember............
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Yeah, your forum memory or ability to use the search has revealed the depths of my ignorance. But it could have been worse. I know it needs a dozen of them, that I should put new ones on, and to ask BEFORE I pull the bridge off by using, " Heavy gauge strings, because my buddy at work said ' All them 12 string things are designed for thick strings so you can hear them over the Mashall Stacks.' " .
I did get some good info, non the less.
When I asked the same thing on the Walden web site, the guy who runs the company and designed them, Johnathan Lee, answered my e-mail.
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Location: Flahdaw | JohnW63 - 2012-09-19 11:07 PM
Yeah, your forum memory or ability to use the search has revealed the depths of my ignorance.
Personally, JohnW, I don't care if you ask what socks and underwear to wear when playing a 12 string. I just thought it was funny that Muzza would make that statement when I KNEW you had already asked it. Talk about teeing it up for me.
All along I was just trying to have a little fun with you, but you seem to be strung a little too tight, and the crowd here has changed so much over the last year or two that it's just not worth it.
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Location: Flahdaw | Mark in Boise - 2012-09-20 12:49 PM
I hope that Bob responds with a link to a video, because I never saw the one with the infamous shirt.
Oouuuu....that video has long since been destroyed (not before most everyone else got a big laugh out of it tho) Still trying to decide if my video wearing the thong is too questionable. |
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | darkbarguitar - 2012-09-20 6:33 AM
ATTENTION DAVEKELL!!!! We have officially found someone with a thinner skin than you. You are hereby promoted up the ranks. Proud of you, dude.
It's about d-a-m-n time. There, now this won't show up as It's about **** time! |
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Location: SoCal | darkbarguitar - 2012-09-20 4:33 AM ATTENTION DAVEKELL!!!! We have officially found someone with a thinner skin than you. You are hereby promoted up the ranks. Proud of you, dude. I also think John is doing fine. I don't think he's thin skinned or strung-too-tight. John is on a knowledge quest. Help him if you want. Leave him alone if he does not want to play childish games. Give him a chance to get to know the players and decide if he wants to include socializing in his time here. Comparing him to DAVEKELL... there is no basis to even make a comparison. When poked, Dave struck back. John has been reserved, probably sitting there wondering what's wrong with this guy. |
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Location: Flahdaw | noah - 2012-09-20 5:10 PM
John has been reserved, probably sitting there wondering what's wrong with this guy.
Not to beleaguer this curious situation, but my very first response to JohnW was (supposed to be) a good natured "C'mon...quit talking about it and just do it"....the same as when my wife (of 31 years mind you) talks about getting new living room furniture for 5 months. Obviously he took it wrong, so my 2nd response was more serious, saying that I felt $800 was a great price for THAT guitar and that GOOD 12vers aren't gonna be cheap. HE'S the one that then responded "If my litany of questions bothers you, I will keep my questions in the PM section, from now on." Not exactly "reserved", but I let that slide off my back thinking he must have taken my 1st post badly...whatever.
Like most threads, the initial question is answered within the 1st 5 or 6 replies, then it usually meanders off course. Now the thread isn't even TALKING about the 2058T. Sure, it got a little wacky there at times, but none of it was meant to be mean-spirited. The DaveKell thing was a joke directed at DaveKell (who incidentally GOT it, thank you)
Bottom line, I think JohnW is getting the information he seeks with all the responses to all the threads he started. He's got 125 posts in a month, so he asking lots of questions and getting lots of answers. He COULD be having a little fun with some new guys on a new forum at the same time. But to be safe, I'll make a mental note not to try to have any fun at John's expense. That should work for all involved.
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| Not thin skinned at all, really. You can't tell the players without a program, and so far, no one has offered me one. It's not easy to tell being poked fun at from just being poked without local knowledge.
To be honest, after seeing the collections of really fancy and probably expensive guitars many of you have, and how MANY some of these things you guys have, I was starting to think this was a forum of rather rich guys and you DID want me to " get on with it ! " because my budget was pocket change to the masses.
If I was wrong and you are obsessed Ovation fans with no life and no money unless you sell of one of the herd, and have scars where one of your kidneys used to be because you believe in live organ donations, as long as there is good money in it and wait overnight at Guitar Center because you heard there was a 2 for 1 sale on D'Adarrio strings the next day, I might have a better feel for the crowd.
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I e-mailed the guy because he told me to make him and offer. He dropped from $850 to $800. I'll keep my eye on the listing. I have another fish on the line elsewhere for within my budget. |
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I only have 2 ovations - which I'm perfectly happy with and have no desire to buy more. Unless its an Ovation acoustic bass and it's under $200.
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