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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Luckily I opened the case before I took it to church yesterday. No clue whatsoever how this happened..... 
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Location: closely held secret | That is truly a bummer, Patch. Hard case? How tight was the fit? |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Yeah, I'm still bummed.
The case was a 9158; perfect fit. I keep my guitars in their cases stored side-by-side in a walk-in closet. For the life of me, I can't figure out what happened to it.
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Location: NH | Oh my! Really sorry to see this, Patch.
Best of luck to you. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | No cleaning cloth laying on the top? That pattern of stress fractures appears to reflect a sudden & focused change in tension, with the focal point at the fretboard extension.
As Ol' William Jefferson used to say, "I feel your pain." But, I'm sincere........ |
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| Any chance of a big temperature change ? If the strings got real tight, the head stock would move upward and the bridge would try to do the same. That's what it looks like to me. As the bridge tries to move up, it cracks and as the neck moves up the fret board extension gets shoved into the body.
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Location: Sydney, Australia | JohnW63 - 2012-08-14 3:11 PM
Any chance of a big temperature change ? If the strings got real tight, the head stock would move upward and the bridge would try to do the same. That's what it looks like to me. As the bridge tries to move up, it cracks and as the neck moves up the fret board extension gets shoved into the body.
I'm guessing that'd be pretty unlikely in a case, in a cupboard. Any teenagers around who might have snuck a play, dropped it/sat on the case, then thought no one would blame them if they just put it back in the cupboard?
And ... ouch! To see a beautiful thing that you waited so long for end up like that is awful. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Wow, I'd be curious to hear what you find out may have happened. I must say at first glance, and second glance, the "teenager snuck a play and something went wrong/it got sat on" theory seems the most logical. The thing about stress is I could see it pulling the neck, or pulling the bridge, but to pull from both sides just seems to defy physics. There are weaker points that would have let go sooner like the neck joint or the bridge itself. But to buckle in the middle, where there really isn't any stress if you think about it.... just seems weird to me. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR |  That is so sad
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Location: Jet City | that just plain sucks. |
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand | That looks like it's had something heavy dumped on it.
Damn!
That really is quite sad. |
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Location: Connersville, Indiana | Patch I'm really sorry for you to have that happen to beautiful guitar. I know you wont' get all the answers for how it happened until mother looks at it. I was wondering since in sees like the center of the guitar is almost caving in, could something like this be caused if the glueing on the braces inside gave way for some reason. Such a awful thing to happen to such a beautiful guitar.
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Location: Italia, Zianigo di Mirano (Venezia) | ..... this thing is all our fears.I hope the Factory solve this disaster.....  |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Thanks for the concern everyone. John Budny says the pictures look like compression damage.
I can't for the life of me figure out what happened though. It's safely stored and neither of my kids messes with my instruments without asking.
I've filed an insurance claim, but am still waiting to hear from John with an estimate. I'm given to understand that the suspension ring costs way more than it used to; certainly way more than I paid for this one.
I'll try to make lemonade if I can, but I doubt I'll build an exact copy. Whatever the case, it's going to be a while.
On a plus note, my latest custom is waiting for me to go and get it, but I'm so booked for the next several weeks that I don't know when I'll be able to go.
How's that for a silver lining?! |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Hi Patch, sorry for your guitar. Are these cracks just in the finish or pass through the wood ? |
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Location: Florence,SC | I am so sorry Patch. Definitely worst nightmare. I agree with John Budny in his assessment. Compression seems the only logical answer. Looks like someone may have used the case as a step-stool to get something just out of their reach. Saw someone do that in a music store (of all places!). |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Wow Patch...Sorry...I've heard of the "Ghost in the Machine" but not in the guitar case...I took the '47 D-28 to do a church concert several years ago: opened the case to find the bridge had popped loose...Wayne Henderson reset it and it's solid now...again, just a mystery but it came out all right: I think the mothership will have you up and going again soon... |
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Location: SoCal | This is going to sound a little out there...
Sure it looks like compression damage, but what if it was from the case itself? My new 9158's are a glove fit. The suspension ring adds depth to the guitar and we are primarily used to that depth as applied to a composite top. It appears to me that the forces were applied at the highest parts of the guitar in contact with the case (bridge and fretboard extension) What if that wood top + suspension ring just adds enough height to cause too much pressure when the case is closed. Reaction of the case: the area of the case over the bridge "gives" a lot more than the area over the fretboard extension and correspondingly, I see less damage around the bridge. If someone stood or sat on the case, I would blindly expect to see more damage in the bridge area. Could this damage have been caused just from the pressure of the case? I do not have a wood top w/suspension ring to test. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | Oh how ironic that would be... "case closed... it was the... closed case that did it."
Sorry Patch, just tryin' to make a little lemonade.  |
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Location: SoCal | noah - 2012-08-15 2:41 PM
This is going to sound a little out there...
Sure it looks like compression damage, but what if it was from the case itself?
Next time, don't put a deep bowl into a case made for a super shallow bowl....... |
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Location: SoCal | Paul, There might be a different threshold of acceptable compressive force that the gloss finish on wood can tolerate. Maybe the same gloss finish on a composite top would crack if flexed. |
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Location: Miami | Patch, my heart bleeds for you, man. Damn. |
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Location: NJ | someone stood on the case.
accept it |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Talked to the insurer this AM, all will be taken care of, but I doubt this one will be in the '13 Calendar. (Which is coming along nicely BTW.)
Al, I know "something" happened to it, it just bugs me that I don't know what or when. Over the last few days, I've told myself "It's just a guitar." enough times that it's finally starting to sink in. The dumb thing is that this will be its THIRD trip to the factory now:
1) In its original 2001C configuration, it needed to have mustache cracks in the wood stabilized. While it was there, I had the neck glossed as well.
2) Then it got face-planted on the ceramic tile floor at church in a freakish, domino-style accident. This resulted in the suspension ring re-build.
3) Now this.
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Location: sitting at my computer | Gosh Patch, sounds like that's a Joe Btfsplk guitar! (fer you youngin's, he was a Li'l Abner character) |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | patchmcg - 2012-08-16 10:19 AM What are the odds that all of this could happen to one guitar? [/QUOTE">[/QUOTE] Does the serial number end in 666? I had a super fast sport bike some years ago with a serial number that ended in 666. The first owner was continually nailed for speeding, eventually landing in jail for 120 days for exeeding 130 mph on a straight stretch of a 2-lane mountain road. They had a road block for him. I then bought the bike against warnings from mutual friends who reported that the bike belonged to the Devil. I talked my way out of three tickets the first summer I had it, then smashed it up. After the repairs were complete, I gave it back to the Devil. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Update time:
Clarion Insurance is sending a check to me today to begin repairs. Now I just have to somehow free some time to get to the factory.
I have to say, I am VERY, VERY pleased with Clarion. This is the second claim I have made with them in several years, the first being a guitar I purchased that was damaged while being shipped to me. Both have been excellent experiences. I highly recommend them as they are both efficient and reasonable when it comes to cost. Seriously, comparing this claim experience to ANY carrier liability claim is like comparing Ghandi to Stalin......Sitting on the beach to sitting in the dentist chair.......Sailing to sinking.......a good book to a thirty second news spot........Playing guitar to playing banjo.......
I'm so relieved I could go on all day.
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Location: Connersville, Indiana | Great news Patch, can't wait to see the repairs and what she looks like. I may have to look into Clarion, I don't think my insurance would cover the damage.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | For those who are unaware that specialized insurance exists for people in our position, Clarion specializes in insuring musical instruments. The people I have talked to there seem to understand the foibles of musician's particular challenges. For example, they actually understood that a guitar can be damaged just by dropping a shipping box too hard, even though the box still looks OK.
I have no benefit to gain from endorsing them, but having posted at least one rant about an absolutely HORRID claim experience with an anonymous shipping company (begins with a "U"; ends with an "S"), I thinks it is worth posting when a company like Clarion steps up to the integrity plate. So in the interests of supporting a company that stood by its client, I hereby give it appropriate props via a link to their website.... Clarion Insurance
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Location: SoCal | Quote: "Does the serial number end in 666?"
There are probably more than a few '666' out there...one of my 1687 Adamas I's is 666-93 that I have had since 11/2004. Outstanding example of the factory's craftmanship. |
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Location: SoCal | Patch, appreciate the link to Clarion. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Heritage is another great insurance company for instruments.
There prices are hard to beat and service is excellent. |
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Location: Connersville, Indiana | Thanks Patch, turned in a quote, Stephent28, I'll check them also, thanks guys.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Shop around. It's a bit of a balance. Companies known for no-hastle quick payout are generally able to do so because they are making significant profits on the premiums. Personally I can wait an extra 2 weeks for a check in exchange for paying a hundred bucks less a year.
But the bottom line is that if you have money invested in valuable musical instruments you should have a good policy from a company specializing in that area. Just make sure that if you submit a claim for a stolen guitar that it was actually stolen and you didn't happen to sell it and forget. |
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Location: closely held secret | Standingovation - 2012-08-18 9:12 AM
Just make sure that if you submit a claim for a stolen guitar that it was actually stolen and you didn't happen to sell it and forget.
Anybody who would do that probably has shadowy figures vacuuming his back yard, too. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Waskel@Work - 2012-08-18 11:46 AM
Standingovation - 2012-08-18 9:12 AM
Just make sure that if you submit a claim for a stolen guitar that it was actually stolen and you didn't happen to sell it and forget.
Anybody who would do that probably has shadowy figures vacuuming his back yard, too.
and pees in his own pool. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I passed on an important life lesson today.
My son picked up a guitar about a year ago and he's doing quite well.
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First I showed him the first pics posted of Patch's Koa. I described all the special features and how long it took to make it happen.
Then we moved on to the other thread with the pics of the cracked top.
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Right on que my son asked... "what happened?".
I said "come here.... I'll show you."
We walked into his room and I pointed to the guitar case laying flat on the floor. . Lesson learned. Sorry I had to use you as the example Patch.
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Location: sitting at my computer | Well played Slipkid. Reminds me of that old saying... A smart man learns from his mistakes (mishaps). A wise man learns from the mistakes (mishaps) of others. Hey Patch, how's the patient doing??
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Location: Flahdaw | SOBeach - 2012-09-06 6:41 PM
A wise man learns from the mistakes (mishaps) of others.
And yet our elected politicians keep making the same mistakes over and over and over....... |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Well FWIW, my guitars are never stored flat. This one was in my gear closet with the others secured side-by-side. The only thing I can possibly think was that it got tagged at church where I last played it several weeks before. I suppose it's possible that it was put in its case and lay there on the chairs for a few minutes. Maybe that's when it happened. I'll never know.
As far as progress, I left it at the factory when I picked up my koa. John says it will get a new top and take about 2-3 months. I also left my 1987-5 there to have the bowl stripped and re-sprayed. (It has some huge, ugly adhesive spots on it that I've never been able to remove.) They'll also give it its 25-year check up.
In other words, expect more sales in the future as these get closer to shipping.  |
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Location: south east Michigan | Forgive me for taking dramatic license with the facts.
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Well this stinks out loud!