Sticky Rules Redux
alpep
Posted 2008-01-13 2:48 PM (#448422)
Subject: Rules Redux


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Be kind to one another.

No personal attacks.

No politics.

No religion.

I think this is rather simple and easy to respect. As a judge once told me, Mr Pepiak, Driving in the state of New Jersey is a priviledge not a right. So I am telling you membership in the OFC is a priviledge not a right.

I had to give a member a vacation yesterday. I woke up at 5:45 to 2 alert e mails and a post that was in violation of our rules. This member was warned previously. So he is currently banned. Miles once posted a proceedure but Damn the rules. I believe you get a warning then a month vacation and you can e mail the board administrators for reinstatement. Oh yeah an apology for taking up my time and energy would probably be nice also. So we can keep it at that for now But please don't push my buttons with these hot topics. They have no place on this message board.

Please note these have only been 2 people who have been banned from this board, and both have the option of e mailing and requesting reinstatement. One chooses to use fake names and register and push the limits the other, well I am still waiting to be sued.

In this times of change I would hope that we all remain on our best behavior for we know not what the future may bring.

For those of you who will argue that you are familiar with the members here and you welcome discussion on other topics, fine e mail each other, PM, call each other on the phone, visit each others homes, meet at a starbucks or an empty parking lot, or whatever else, you just can't do it here.
Places that sort of discourse is welcome.
rushlimbaugh.com
moveon.org
oreillyfactor.com
airamerican.org
seanhannity.com

enjoy yourselves on those sites to your heart's content.

Remember, This is not an easy job to do. Do I yank a post because Cliff solicted P & W cd's for his friend NO.
Do I yank someone's sig that cites a bible verse? or because they end every post with "blessings" NO.
so cut me some slack here.

And if you think I am being too hard just try me.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-01-13 3:18 PM (#448423 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Al,and I think I speak for most of us, you are doing a thankless job far better than most people could. Thank You!
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-01-13 3:30 PM (#448424 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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I had a dream last night that I saw missiles taking off from a few miles away... now I know what the dream meant.

Seriously Al - thanks for keeping this place relatively civilized. It has been said in numerous posts but I'll say it again anyway - this is a GREAT forum.
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Beal
Posted 2008-01-13 4:35 PM (#448425 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I'm with ya.
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G8r
Posted 2008-01-13 4:43 PM (#448426 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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You have my utter support. You don't hear it often enough, but thank you for the incredible amount of time and effort you spend in keeping this board going.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-01-13 6:24 PM (#448427 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Al, just got back and saw this...its a big job and you do it well...thanks for putting up with all of us and keeping us in line from time to time...it's a great forum and helps a lot of folks in a lot of ways! Thanks and "never close"!
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-13 6:38 PM (#448428 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Small editorial note - my opinion only. We need to keep in mind that Ovation/Kaman/Fender does NOT sponsor or endorse this forum in any official way. The "Old Guard" was quite gracious in looking the other way and more or less turning a blind eye as we use their trademarked logos, name and images. Just my opinion, but maybe the "New Guard" might be curious what's out there on the net using their trademarked materials. So the "New Boss" stumbles into the OFC and ... horror of horrors, what do they read? Politics, relegion, sexual innuendo, llamas, Taylor bashing ... Maybe they would choose NOT to have their name associated with that kind of stuff ??? Think about that before you post. And I'm as guilty as anyone, no disagreement there. Even my rants about quality issues or our constant bashing of marketing (lack of) could have very damaging effects. I'm starting to see things through a little different light. As Al said, the OFC is a PRIVILEDGE and we should all do our best to preserve it. Just my opinion.

Dave

PS - Btw, I have similar concerns about my use of Ovations and Takamines names on other websites. There is a real risk here, and we (me) should be walking on eggshells and not be handing out the ammo.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-01-13 7:23 PM (#448429 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Maybe they would choose NOT to have their name associated with that kind of stuff ??? ... concerns about... use of Ovations and Takamines names on other websites. There is a real risk here....
Announcing the;

"AVOTION FAN CLUB"

and

"KATAMINE FORUM"
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2008-01-13 7:30 PM (#448430 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Small editorial note - my opinion only.
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Opinions count around here ?..in that case I`ll join the AVOTION FORUM right Away..where I`ll be discussing the sound of egg-shells vs. the taste of eggnog...

by AVOTIONEER
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Northcountry
Posted 2008-01-13 7:49 PM (#448431 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux
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I am just checking to see if I can still post.
Wheeeeewww..
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Mitchrx
Posted 2008-01-13 8:05 PM (#448432 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Small editorial note - I'm starting to see things through a little different light. As Al said, the OFC is a PRIVILEDGE and we should all do our best to preserve it. Just my opinion.
Amen Dave!

Al, you're doing a great job. Inappropriate posts should not and will not be tolerated. Perhaps the month off will give the banned member a chance to think about his abuse of the privilege of being a member here.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-01-13 8:21 PM (#448433 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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It's kind of a shame that Al felt the need to post guidelines. You'd think that a bunch of grown men would just naturally behave better without having to be told to.......
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Beal
Posted 2008-01-13 9:44 PM (#448434 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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NAHHHHHHHH!
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Patch
Posted 2008-01-13 9:46 PM (#448435 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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What Mauvais Beal said!
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AussieJames
Posted 2008-01-13 9:54 PM (#448436 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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It is a priviledge to be a part of this great forum.
As Moody and others have said said it is disappointing that we have to be reminded to behave and do the right thing.
Then again if everybody did the right thing there would be no need for police and Moody would be out of a job.
Human nature unfortunately.
Great job Al.
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Capo Guy
Posted 2008-01-13 9:57 PM (#448437 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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I think that Dave brought up a good point. What we post on this, or any other forum, is out there for all the world to see. The good, the bad and the ugly.
(Hmmm I wonder where that will lead).

What we say can be misunderstood and cause problems. I enjoy this forum and appreciate all that Al and Miles do to keep it up and running.
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-01-13 10:26 PM (#448438 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Thanks for the thankless task Al. I forgive you now for giving me a month off at some unknown future date for things I have not yet thought to post.

I'm working on it.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2008-01-14 3:33 AM (#448439 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Hey Dave, thanks for the post.

I would also like to add a note to those folks that know where the line is, and walk up to it knowing that Al and I will let certain things slide a little. You know who you are.

Not necessarily this time, but once in awhile we'll ask a member of the community to remove a post or link, or maybe be careful as they head into those "gray" area's. Most of the time they "get it" and there is no issue, it's never talked about again.

However, put yourselves in our shoes when on occasion instead of the "oops sorry" we normally get when we contact someone, we get the "well you let so'n so post such-n-such" why are you playing favorites? Just think how that makes us feel.

We're still getting a 1000+ new people each year. If those people that know where the line is would keep it at arms length more often than walking right up to it, it would make things a lot easier on Al and I.

Just some food for thought...

Thanks...
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AussieJames
Posted 2008-01-14 3:45 AM (#448440 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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"I suggest you check with WebMD.com or similar forums.

Consider this a warning."

I find it incomprehensible that after Al found it necessary to start this thread as a warning to us all Miles had to take the above action.
????????
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-14 7:38 AM (#448441 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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That looks like a hijacked user id to me.
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Beal
Posted 2008-01-14 7:48 AM (#448442 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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probably
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stephent28
Posted 2008-01-14 10:40 AM (#448443 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Originally posted by Tupperware:
That looks like a hijacked user id to me.
Certainly out of character....now if he had included a poll along with it :D the identity would be verified.

As someone who has personally knocked heads with Al on a few occasions, I appreciate the privilege of being a part of the community w/o worrying about political and or religious topics. As mentioned above...there are plenty of those websites for anyone so inclined.

Thanks Al and Miles. Great consistent job!.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-14 12:25 PM (#448444 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Tuppy said:
Even my rants about quality issues or our constant bashing of marketing (lack of) could have very damaging effects.
Maybe, but I would hope not. I think "our" collective credibility would would suffer if all we did was fawn over everything with false praise. Kudos are more valuable when coming from someone you know is capable of constructive critisism.

As far as GWB's unfortunate post I hope it was a hijacker because although he has approached "that line" before, it does seem out of character.
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Tupperware
Posted 2008-01-14 12:43 PM (#448445 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Originally posted by Slipkid:
I think "our" collective credibility would would suffer if all we did was fawn over everything with false praise.
Not proposing that at all. I think the OFC provides a good testbed for Ovation. Just need to keep it factual and within bounds.

Dave
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BT717
Posted 2008-01-14 4:40 PM (#448446 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Mr "O",
As one of those 1000 new members a year I want you to know I joined the OFC due to my fondness for a great guitar. I ONLY plan on discussing Guitars and music with an ocational clean joke.
I don't know the Administrators, but apreciate the time and effort you put in to making sure this site is "fun" for all.
Thank-you
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-01-14 4:42 PM (#448447 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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I certainly hope no one is suggesting that the one on "vacation" hijacked a user id...I would not believe that for a second and neither should anyone else...he made a mistake; who hasn't? I'm sure he'll abide with the decesion, apologise, and hopefully be back...that said, lets get on with life; realise the limits, and put it behind us.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-01-14 4:48 PM (#448448 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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I certainly hope no one is suggesting that....
No no no.... Not at all.
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Paulcc1
Posted 2008-01-14 5:54 PM (#448449 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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You da man Al
Pauly
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sligoman
Posted 2008-01-14 6:34 PM (#448450 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Ditto for me. Actually, I'm here to learn more than much of anything else. Email's a lousy way to poke fun with people you don't know. John
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-01-15 5:18 AM (#448451 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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I've learned how to dispose of a lot of money here. :rolleyes: :eek:
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AussieJames
Posted 2008-01-15 7:48 AM (#448452 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Yeah, but you get it back.
With interest(hopefully)
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auchencrow
Posted 2008-01-15 10:19 PM (#448453 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Mr Pepiak - THANK you for helping to maintain the standards of this forum: I am a new member, and I can only hope that everyone's posts here will mirror the integrity of all the good people who build, sell, and enjoy these great instruments.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-01-22 1:03 PM (#448454 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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IMHO, there's only one real way to thank Al for all he does on this forum . . . make him your dealer when you're ready to buy.
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alpep
Posted 2008-01-22 2:58 PM (#448455 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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thank you for the support but it is not a necessary nor can I or do I expect it.

I am grateful for all the business that comes my way
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-01-22 3:01 PM (#448456 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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If you could just get rid of that (**)&%* sales tax...
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Beal
Posted 2008-01-22 3:06 PM (#448457 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Just have him ship it to Florida. Then you come down here to get it.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-01-22 3:12 PM (#448458 - in reply to #448422)
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That would also solve the problem of the large box sitting by the front door when the wife gets home.
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G8r
Posted 2008-01-22 3:13 PM (#448459 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Just have him ship it to Florida. Then you come down here to get it.
I can provide a foster home until the adoption comes thru ;)
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-01-22 3:15 PM (#448460 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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At least I know it would be in good company (Gainesville or Amelia!).
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-01-22 6:59 PM (#448461 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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I have everything shipped to the office. Safe, secure, regular delivery services, I know all the drivers, no questions are ever asked, and the products can be taken home at a time more convenient to our mutual schedules.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-01-22 7:08 PM (#448462 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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I'd have a dozen guitars sitting in the office waiting for the right moment to take them home and let my wife see them. Though it's probably better to have her really mad once than have her get mad 12 times.
Edit: I just realized I can only fit one guitar in the Boxster, so she'd be mad 12 times anyway.
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2008-01-22 7:14 PM (#448463 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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I work out of my house... therein lies the problem. I did manage to sneak in several solidbodies in very small packages. Just waiting for the right time to reassemble them.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-01-22 7:53 PM (#448464 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Guitars are easy. So are power tools. Full size motorcyles are more challenging. I once snuck in a Harley Low Rider Custom. Got away with it for about four months, too. Then she looked under what she thought was a tarp covering some lawn care equipment. As Cliff says, I had some 'splanin to do. The pain eased up after a week or two.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2008-01-22 9:10 PM (#448465 - in reply to #448422)
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Mark, just change your specialty to music litigation, hang a couple, couple on a stand...tax deductible.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-01-22 10:08 PM (#448466 - in reply to #448422)
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Good idea, Tony. I should have thought of that. We had a couple lawyers that bought artwork that way. I wouldn't even have to change my "specialty" (we don't have too many specialist lawyers in Idaho), I'd just call them art or office decorations.
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schroeder
Posted 2008-01-23 8:41 AM (#448467 - in reply to #448422)
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They could be "available for clients to play while waiting to see their lawyer". Better than a 17 year old copy of Reader's Digest and the local realtors sales listings.

Then you could take them home for safe-keeping.
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dobro
Posted 2008-03-10 2:40 PM (#448468 - in reply to #448422)
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Joke: "98% of the lawyers out there give the rest of them a bad name!"
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Jim Simpson
Posted 2008-03-30 1:21 PM (#448469 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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As a new member I have to mention why I joined. I found a new love for Ovation after purchasing a sweet sounding 1537. Wanting to find out more about this model I joined and was welcomed with open arms {so to speak} and have sure learned alot in a short time, which I think would be one reason for the club in the first place. I never gave alot of thought to the poor people who run the site until I noticed this post, and like many other clubs I have joined there are always a few bad apples, and very little praise for the people who take the time and effort to monitor the site. Speaking only for myself I would like to thank everyone associated with this site and know I understand how difficult it can be. Please keep on the same path you are on and continue to run as you see fit, it sure has worked so far. I am behind you in all decisions.
Thanks again
Jim Simpson
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Pitney
Posted 2008-04-27 11:18 AM (#448470 - in reply to #448422)
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ok guys .... you have me sufficiently scared to post but really i cant resist....

You'd think that a bunch of grown men would just naturally behave better without having to be told to.......

hmmmmm grown men ... isnt that an oxy-moron

coulda been the best rythum bitch lol

Pit
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alpep
Posted 2008-04-27 12:38 PM (#448471 - in reply to #448422)
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miss pitney!!!

good to see you here

I'll be your rhythm bitch any day!!!
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-04-27 12:51 PM (#448472 - in reply to #448422)
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Hello!
Glad you showed up.
For those of you who were not at the clinic, this chick can play!

pic... pic...
who has a pic??
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-04-27 12:53 PM (#448473 - in reply to #448422)
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Oh... I do.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2008-04-27 1:03 PM (#448474 - in reply to #448422)
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Notice Temps position and facial expression...best darn reinforcement of praise...he even put his beer down :D
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-04-27 2:58 PM (#448475 - in reply to #448422)
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Hey Pitney, did I show you a good time that night or what?
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Pitney
Posted 2008-04-27 3:06 PM (#448476 - in reply to #448422)
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lol thanks guys i have the best memories of the amelia jam.... i hope i can make one of your jams in the future.. i'll be sure to keep an eye out.

if anyone is free in june here is the lonk for the jam i mentioned in indiana

http://www.freewebs.com/palstock/index.htm

hugsss Pit
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Pitney
Posted 2008-04-27 3:09 PM (#448477 - in reply to #448422)
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lol moody youre sure no wives read this ???? hahahaha
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-04-28 10:43 PM (#448478 - in reply to #448422)
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Woman, yes.
Wives? Are easily bored by this kind of thing.
They know the type of child they married....
"Have fun with your online friends dear,
don't stay up too late."
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resonator
Posted 2008-07-09 6:07 PM (#448479 - in reply to #448422)
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Al,
Is it okay to talk about Weird New Jersey Magazine? :D

Thanks for keeping this place running!
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alpep
Posted 2008-07-09 10:25 PM (#448480 - in reply to #448422)
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yes
my wife has every issue she is a huge fan of mark and mark.
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1617
Posted 2009-05-02 2:15 AM (#448481 - in reply to #448422)
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Al,

A respectful and appreciative newbie.

Thanks

Mike
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geneo
Posted 2009-09-01 6:44 PM (#448482 - in reply to #448422)
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Miles / Al

What a wonderful site.... loaded with fine people, fine instruments, and just a ton of information. As a new member i must say after reading through this post especially daves comments that it kinna opened my eyes to the importance of following certain legal guidelines.

Great Job on putting this site together! For every complaint there should be 1000 compliments .... maybe more!
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AdamasW597
Posted 2012-02-18 7:27 PM (#450589 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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I'm with you Al. Plz let me know if I even come close. I love it here. I own more Ovations than any other guitar. That will always be true.
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dwg preacher
Posted 2012-10-29 7:00 PM (#461225 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Thanks, guys! After reading through this thread, I promptly went back and changed my signature, because I realized someone might be offended.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2012-10-30 8:48 AM (#461251 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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Say, dwg preacher, where are you in Denver?
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dwg preacher
Posted 2012-10-30 12:56 PM (#461272 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux



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I live in Littleton, work in downtown, lead worship at Set Free church in Villa Park. So, I guess all over ;-)
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Moondawg
Posted 2015-07-21 12:29 AM (#513617 - in reply to #448422)
Subject: Re: Rules Redux


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Yeah, pretty much what they said....
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