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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Hi folks,
I'm getting a 1979 Country Artist (1124) ready to put on the block tonight or tomorrow. I looked it up on Ovation's web site and it says it has a "shallow" bowl. I did not know they made a shallow bowl (as opposed to the super shallow bowl). How different is it from the mid-depth bowl. I would like to know so that I get it right in the description.
Thanks in advance for the help. :cool: |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | As far as I know shallow bowl = mid depth bowl. Different description of the same thing.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It's an ARTIST depth bowl 5-1/8 inch. They called it "shallow" because compared to the only other bowl in production at that time it was, ummm, shallow. The Artist Balladeer, Glen Campbell Artist, and Country Artist all used this Artist depth bowl. That's probably where they got the name.
The mid depth cutaway bowl came along much later in life (late 80's ???) and is ever so slightly deeper than the Artist bowl. Maybe it's 5-3/8 or something like that.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | If it is a True 'Artist Bow' it is just a touch smaller than a mid-depth. If it is a little bit later model (like my 1621) it is just a Mid-Depth with no cutaway.
[my 1621 has a slightly bigger bowl than my 1121... Go figger :confused: ]
~Dave is quicker on the keyboard than me~ |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
my 1621 has a slightly bigger bowl than my 1121... 'zat true ??? Very odd. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Thanks guys. It's definitely a little smaller than a mid-depth. (It sits lower in a case.) I guess it's an Artist bowl then.
It'll be posted soon.
Anyone want to buy it? ;) |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
my 1621 has a slightly bigger bowl than my 1121... 'zat true ??? Very odd.
And it is not cuz of the volume knob. The 1621's bowl is just bigger. Strange huh?
I could squeeze it in, but... (I just checked again to make sure I wasn't talking outta my butt) |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | First deep
then shallow
then supre shallow
then shallow was discontinued
then reintroduced as mid on the 93 C-Series |
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| My 1974, 1621-4 came with a brochure referring to it as an Electric Artist.
Does that help to muddy the waters any..lol |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | That's what it was called. 1121 was the Artst and 1621 was Electric Artist.
They (along with the Glen Campbell Artist, Electric Glen Campbell Artist, Country Artist and Electric Country Artist) all had the Artist depth bowl which was also referred to as the Shallow bowl.
Dave |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | I know there's not a whole lot of difference, depth-wise, between the original shallow bowls and the current mid-depths; but the difference is enough that the mids kill my shoulder, and the shallows don't. (Drat...I had both depths here for a few days; I should have done the comparison while I could have....)
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Location: SoCal | I think there's only about 1/8" difference, 5 1/4" vs. 5 3/8"
If you think that 1/8" difference would make a difference, then take a look at this GC 1627 on the "bay. It's an early 80's model, has a Kbar in the neck and A bracing (at least it looks like it from the pics). It would sound good and feel good to you.....
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | I always thought it went
supershallow
shallow
artist
middepth
deep
With artist bowl being it's own designation. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | shallow, artist and mid are all the same. Yes there is a tad difference between the old and new but that's Debanjo's fault, he's the one who wanted to bring it back. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | BTW- My 1121 with the slightly smaller bowl sounds better than any mid-depth.
It's the fiberglass. :cool: |
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Location: Angoulême - France | We had the same questions somme weeks ago on Jerome's OT forum :
SSB = 4 1/16
SB = 5 1/8
MDB = 5 2/8
DB = 5 13/16
Adamas = 6 1/16
So : Mid-depth, Artist and Shallow bowl are +/- the same bowls. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
But when I tried to put the 1621 in the 1121's case, it does not fit. But the the 1121 fits in the 1621's case just fine.
And it is not cuz of the volume knob. The 1621's bowl is just bigger. Strange huh?
The other rather more likely conclusion that could be drawn from that, is it's the cases that have the slight variation in size, rather than the guitar bowls. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Oh come on Paul, that spoils it! Here we had them thinking the guitars were all different. |
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Location: NJ | Al;
Do you have anymore of those case-stretchers left in stock?? |
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| They're on the back shelf next to the string tubes. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Thruth is that there IS a lot of variation in cases. I have one deep case that'll only fit a mid-depth. Problem is I don't have any mid-depth guitars! Dave |
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Location: NJ | "Thruth"??
Thurely, you Jesth . . . |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | absoluthly! |
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| Bill did you guy's ever experiment with a jumbo body? Bigger top or deeper bowl? Was the adamas bowl depth arrived at by frequency response? Curious. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Northcountry:
Bill did you guy's ever experiment with a jumbo body? Bigger top or deeper bowl? Ovation haters could call it a Salad BAR! :p |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | There was a dreadnaught sized wood top adamas. Al has it. Maybe there was more than one. Best sounding wood top ovation you'd ever want to hear. Dave |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | no just one or two |
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Location: Pewaukee, WI | To me the artist (shallow) bowl seems a little 'flatter' on the back, where the mid curves a little more. Does that make sense? So while the mid is only a little deeper it feels bigger to me (and would explain why it would have trouble with a case designed for the artist bowl. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | I wonder if K-Y would "fitting", in this case. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | I have thought for a long time I'd love to hear what Jumbo or Super Jumbo would sound like. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Alpep has a Wood top Adamas Dreadnaught.
Try being nice to him... :rolleyes: |
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