Mothership Project
MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-18 11:55 PM (#437003)
Subject: Mothership Project


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Here is my 1977 1615-1 Pacemaker 12 that I bought on EBay for $100 as is...
I'm sending it to Mother in the next few days for a complete spa treatment: it needs it...
I can hardly wait to see the finished product!



\'77 Pacemaker 12
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Patch
Posted 2008-11-19 2:13 AM (#437004 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project



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COOL! I'm sure it will surpass all expectations.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-19 2:31 AM (#437005 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project
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Pics like that just make my stomach tighten!

Looking forward to the rehab report...
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sycamore
Posted 2008-11-19 7:07 AM (#437006 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Just looks like a finish crack to me
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-11-19 7:14 AM (#437007 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project



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Originally posted by sycamore:
Just looks like a finish crack to me
Yeah, I bet he didn't even try to polish it out.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-19 9:22 AM (#437008 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Yeah, I bet he didn't even try to polish it out.
I did but I kept losing the rag...lol
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Styll
Posted 2008-11-19 11:05 AM (#437009 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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please post the finished project
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Beal
Posted 2008-11-19 6:14 PM (#437010 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project



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a little Elmers............
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Oddball
Posted 2008-11-19 7:00 PM (#437011 - in reply to #437003)
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Ace Ventura to companion after having just crawled out of a Land Rover that's rolled about 5 times — "You should DETAIL this baby...."
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sycamore
Posted 2008-11-20 5:05 AM (#437012 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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I wonder what happened to it - was it a case of "Put away that f-ing guitar or I'll break it over your f-ing head!!"
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-20 9:39 AM (#437013 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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The owner told me it was in the garage and got knocked over...It had no case; I sent a case to him to have it shipped back to me...but, who knows...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-11-20 11:17 AM (#437014 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Originally posted by sycamore:
Just looks like a finish crack to me
Do you write the copy for most of the Ebay ads? :D
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-20 2:05 PM (#437015 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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On the way to visit Mother as we speak...
I will post finished pic's and details...

TJ, you crack me up...lol
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Auriemma
Posted 2008-11-20 2:15 PM (#437016 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project



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Originally posted by MusicMishka:
The owner told me it was in the garage and got knocked over... It had no case...
What did he knock it over with... An SUV?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-29 3:10 AM (#437017 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Got the estimate and details today...it's gonna be killa!



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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-29 3:14 AM (#437018 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project
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Don't hold out on us Mike. Details man, details! Whatcha having done?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-29 3:21 AM (#437019 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Everything Johnny: New SB top/glass bowl/Original Electronic's check/RW Bridge/regloss neck and fix one ding on same/anything else it needs:
This is a '77 just like my original but w/SB top...'spensive but yummy!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-11-29 3:36 AM (#437020 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project
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Awesome! Ummmm, do they do '47 'O' (as in Old) models up there? I could use some 'magic'.
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murph
Posted 2008-11-29 3:42 AM (#437021 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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I had my pacemaker redone and it came back amazing, however the soundboard was redone with the "latest bracing" I find the sound different than the old fan bracing, not better, not worse, just different, probably more stable. I'm working on a new Pacemaker project and going to get A bracing installed, but thats a whole other post and a whole other story.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-11-29 4:33 AM (#437022 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project



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Now you made me look...
My rebuilt Pacemaker has X bracing.
I would have to get a mirror to tell you if it is scalloped or not.

I gotta get me one of them dentist's mirrors.
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twistedlim
Posted 2008-11-29 7:27 AM (#437023 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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It looks great as is! Probably only shows up when the light hits it a certain way. :)

Kidding aside I did not think one could look worse than mine but....
Good luck and let us know how it comes out.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-29 12:05 PM (#437024 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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I was asking for A bracing...not sure if thats the best or not...any thoughts?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-11-29 12:14 PM (#437025 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Mikey, as you probably know, I'm very partial to A bracing in both 6 and 12 strings. My 69 GC rebuilt has it as does a GC 12 owned by Temp and an old Pacemaker, owned by Jeff W and now by Toby. In my opinion, it yields a much better sound than the old fan bracing pattern original used.

But to be honest, I don't know what the new X bracing would sound like in at 12 fret 12 string. I don't know if it would sound better or worse, and I suspect that the only way to know would be to have 2 identical guitars built with the only difference being the bracing.

Anybody here wanna give that a shot?
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-29 12:38 PM (#437026 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Thanls Paul, I did remember that but an not sure about the new bracing either...

I'm getting a glass bowl so that will certainly help the sound...just unsure about the bracing...is the new X bracing scalloped?
I should know this but can't remember...

Thanks for the help folks...I'm really getting excited about this re-build...
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-11-29 1:26 PM (#437027 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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The new X is scalloped. I'm guessing that it ought to sound good. Maybe a little more open than the A braced 12 fretters, but comparison is the only way to know for certain.

Regardless, oughta sound great.....
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-11-29 1:38 PM (#437028 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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I've left a message for John B.

I'll see what he thinks as well...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-04 9:04 PM (#437029 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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It's Here!

Unfortunatly I wasn't...dreaded "we tried to deliver" taped on the door...

Tried to chase down the brown...no joy!

Delivery tomorrow between 10 am and 2 pm...

Problem: it reached a high today of 14; tonight forecast for 2; windchills of -10/-15...
Tommorrow high of 18 (balmy. We've also had nearly 8 inches of partly cloudy...winter is finally here...

OMA, have no fear, that case will be setting for a while before it gets opened...

Anticipation............
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deadfish
Posted 2009-02-05 6:22 AM (#437030 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Can't wait to see the pictures...Gonna get mine done as well and I'ld like to see what the factory can do....enjoy!
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-02-05 7:19 AM (#437031 - in reply to #437003)
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OK Mike, let's have it.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-05 7:27 AM (#437032 - in reply to #437003)
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Still waitin TJ.... ;)
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G8r
Posted 2009-02-05 8:00 AM (#437033 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Originally posted by deadfish:
Can't wait to see the pictures...Gonna get mine done as well and I'ld like to see what the factory can do....enjoy!
Rick - I just got back my 1619 from a Mothership spa treatment, pictures are here . They do incredible work, you'll be pleased.

Mike, we're waiting...
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deadfish
Posted 2009-02-05 8:23 AM (#437034 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Originally posted by G8r:
[ [/qb]
Rick - I just got back my 1619 from a Mothership spa treatment, [/QB]

Wow...That is perfection!...Thanks for the eye candy1
Rick
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-05 8:36 AM (#437035 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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g8r wrote:
Mike, we're waiting...
update: Out for Delivery (again)
I'm ready this time...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-05 4:55 PM (#437036 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Brown delivered at 12:30 pm....
15 degrees outside...

Took box inside, and left it alone for 1 and a half hours.

2pm Opened top of box to let it breath...

2:30pm took case out of carton...

3:30 I can't take it anymore, I'm going for it!

Before:




After:



The Pacemaker is FINE, FINE, FINE....
What a great job Mother did...cloth bowl, gorgeous 'burst, upgraded electronic's, repaired dent in back of neck, more than expected....

And the sound: awesome: thats what kept me playing this model for over 10 years night after night...its a tummy rumbler. It plays and sounds as good as it gets...A bracing...excuse the drool...

Here is the album: 1977 1615-1 Pacemaker 12

I cannot say enough about the Mothership and the job they do...experts! Why would you go anywhere else? Many Thanks to John B. and Co.

Cheap?
Absolutely Not! (but still a value for excellence)
Did what the said they would?
Absolutely and more!
Value in restoring a totaled Vintage Ovation? Priceless!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-02-05 5:06 PM (#437037 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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Wow! There just aren't words sufficient to appreciate their artistry.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-02-05 5:09 PM (#437038 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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New top & bowl?
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G8r
Posted 2009-02-05 5:10 PM (#437039 - in reply to #437003)
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Wonderful! They truly are wizards. Congrats!
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-05 5:13 PM (#437040 - in reply to #437003)
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Here are a couple more:





Not bad for a $100 eBay find...
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-02-05 5:16 PM (#437041 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project
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Mike,

I really tickled fer ya! That is soooo sweet...

Nothin' like a booming Pacemaker!!!
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-02-05 5:21 PM (#437042 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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New top & bowl?
Paul, yes, they replaced both: as you can see the original top was toast...what you didn’t see was the deep gashes in the side and underside of the original bowl...I told John to do what it needed...I did not have the neck completely redone...but they over sprayed and buffed out most of it (they did fix a deep dent in the back of the neck)...it keeps the vintage look and feel...they re-fretted and set up the guitar perfectly...it plays wonderfully! I'll take better pic's when spring comes and I can get outside...or maybe before if the ambient temp gets above freezing. I like it!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-02-05 5:35 PM (#437043 - in reply to #437003)
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I have no idea how a dent in the neck is fixed, but the factory does indeed, do it. Amazing.

Whenever the top needs replacing, both the top and bowl are replaced.

Your guitar turned out very very well. My 69 GC 12 string got the same basic treatment. Beautiful guitar, great sound. Is my Adamas 12 string a better guitar? I don't know. Both 12's are great, just different.

Ice cream.....
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bvince
Posted 2009-02-05 5:36 PM (#437044 - in reply to #437003)
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DANG! ... I'm getting even MORE excited about getting mine done!
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-02-05 5:45 PM (#437045 - in reply to #437003)
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If you've ever thought about have the mothership refurbish an old guitar --- DO IT! The cost isn't that much and the experience is incredible. I've had two old guitars rebuilt and have had my expectations exceeded both times.....
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-02-05 7:08 PM (#437046 - in reply to #437003)
Subject: Re: Mothership Project


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I can't tell you what shape my 1537 was in when Woody shipped it (Woody can tho'!) there but I can tell you how perfect it is today.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-02-06 1:55 AM (#437047 - in reply to #437003)
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Pre-Weazer 1537



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flackster
Posted 2009-02-06 2:36 AM (#437048 - in reply to #437003)
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She is a stunning beauty :D
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muzza
Posted 2009-02-06 3:08 AM (#437049 - in reply to #437003)
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I think I might send my Hondo in for a refurbish.
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