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Location: Louisville, OH 44641 | Can anyone describe or point me to an illustration of the Adamas Suspended Ring system that attaches the sound board to the body? I've read this term many times but don't have a clue what it is or why it works. Is it still in use today?
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Someone it probably going to have to hunt through the pictures from the Factory tour. I don't think you can see it if it's the part I'm thinking of, unless of course you break the top off your guitar. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I've got a pic of it that I will post to this thread. |
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Location: Paris/France | Hello,
Maybe THIS PAGE could help??
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Location: Germany | There is another pic on page 4 of the 1997 Ovation catalog.
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| That's excellent Jerome. The ring also increases the bowl depth. I'd like to get a mid-bowl made with the suspended ring. It would be interesting to hear the tonal differences on a cutaway single-epaulet midbowl model. |
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Location: Paris/France | Karl is right, that picture is much better to understand how the suspended ring is made.
Here's the original copy of that photo.
Sorry for the big size but she deserves à good rez... :)
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Jérôme:
Sorry for the big size but she deserves à good rez... ... and an eloquent but discrete gold trim ring as on the 1680! ;)
Excellent pic. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | That photo gives you a good idea of how thin the CF sheets are relative to the birch core. |
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Location: GA USA | Sure does. Maybe we should stop pretending they aren't wood-topped guitars. |
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Location: Tennessee | Laminated tops. Must be one of those import guitars. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by stellarjim:
Is it still in use today?
Sure is. |
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Location: SoCal | I've always wondered what the advantage of the suspended ring is (I know it makes the bowl a little deeper)? |
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Location: NJ | I would assume ease of assembly, negate the need for purfling/binding, and the fibreglass ring is something that both the top AND the bowl could be readily glued-to to create a solid/stable bond . . . |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Someone may have a better recall, but isn't this the way they put ALL Ovations together. I seem to recall something on the tour along the lines of what Cliff stated, that the ring was the way to give the top a place to set. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I am under the understanding that it improves top resonance...seems like it would... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | The mounting ring is professionally trimmed to a specific ratio with the top thickness and the mojo variables, as this patent clearly explains...
Duh?? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | More info HERE . Be sure to click on the diagrams. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Check out the big brain on Johnny! You are the king of search! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Hey, give Woody the credit. He had the patent number in his post!
No big brain, just Google... :D |
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Location: Louisville, OH 44641 | Wow. Thanks for the help. I can see now that the Sound Board is mounted to a ring that is not nearly as rigid as the molded body. This will allow it to move and groove as needed. It sort of reminds me how a speaker cone is mounted in in a flexible ring allowing the speaker to move in and out.
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Location: Maine | Originally posted by stellarjim:
Wow. Thanks for the help. I can see now that the Sound Board is mounted to a ring that is not nearly as rigid as the molded body. This will allow it to move and groove as needed. It sort of reminds me how a speaker cone is mounted in in a flexible ring allowing the speaker to move in and out.
Jim Seeing the cross section picture...I guess that pretty much explains why the epaulettes weren't inlaid into the sound board. 1.) they'd have to have been really thin, 2, It would have cut into the carbon fiber skin.
As a kid..I recall seeing some 3/4 x 3/4" mahogany strips of wood that were show and tell pieces to demonstrate the benefit of using carbon fiber in the guitar necks.
On set of samples was just finished mahogany, the other set(better) had a strip of carbon fiber flatstock bonded on opposite sides. It effectively created an "I"-beam that was exremely rigid. Compared to the bend you could get in the solid mahogany piece, it was night and day.
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Location: south east Michigan | That last picture is soooo cool. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | After seeing that cross sectional picture for he first time, I just realized that there is more birch in that sandwich than the other material. Does that mean the Adamas is ACTUALLY/technically a WOOD TOP guitar? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | So the next time I feel inclined to initiate a Pro Ovation/Adamas conversation (argument) all I have to do is mention that Birch is one of my favorite tone woods!
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Well, I for one enjoyed reading and viewing this again...maybe this could become a new years tradition...kinda like going to mecca for Adamas owners and those that wannabe...lol |
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Location: Nîmes, south of France | Same as Mike, this topic is very instructive with lots of references, thanks one more time to the experts ! |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I think I'm going to print of a copy of that picture and the cross section drawing, then stick a copy of it in my Adamas cases for future reference and a conversation topic. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Ooooh Yeah! :cool: |
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Location: Ontario Canada | Originally posted by MWoody:
So the next time I feel inclined to initiate a Pro Ovation/Adamas conversation (argument) all I have to do is mention that Birch is one of my favorite tone woods :D
Bring it on! I'm just a little late, so just how many sons of birchs are there around here I wonder.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Jim, has your molasses fermented again???????????? :) |
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Location: Ontario Canada | Hello Colin,
That has made me chuckle, I wish you lived close to me. We could have a good chinwag I am sure.
Pretty cool around the Great Lakes right now.
Just ask Slipkid and the other guys in MI.
Stay warm.
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Someone may have a better recall, but isn't this the way they put ALL Ovations together. I seem to recall something on the tour along the lines of what Cliff stated, that the ring was the way to give the top a place to set. Miles,
This is what you might be thinking of....
Here's the way the wood top Ovations are are glued to the bowl.
The rim/edging is epoxied to the bowl then the webbing is cut away leaving a shouldered rim that the top is then glued/epoxied to....then they route the edge and apply the binding.
It's the same as adding wood kerfing in a conventional wood box build....just give the top a wider area to be glue to! |
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