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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | After accompanying me to one of Matt's workshops last fall, SWMBO thinks I need a mandolin. Whoa! Encouragement at last! There are lots of celebs on the Bay, but the US models don't come up very often, and are about twice the price. Of course I appreciate the difference in quality between the US and offshore models for guitars, and assume the same applies to mandolins. Anybody want to confirm this and/or recommend holding out for a US model? |
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Location: NJ | YES!!
The Playability and diminished "FrustrationFactor" make 'em worth the extra $$. |
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Location: Scotland | The Applause, Celeb and Ovation mandos all have the same pickup and preamp, so while there is a difference in the amplified tone, it's slight compared to the acoustic sound. Materials, build-quality, feel, playability, acoustic tone etc on the USA mandos are far superior. It's no different to comparing a USA Ovation guitar to an import. The extra bucks are money well spent. Dave has a book version for sale. I have one, and it's superb. If you need something to mess around on and mostly plug-in the Celeb will probably do you. But my guess, bearing in mind the quality of the stuff you already own, you'd get sick of it pretty quick and want a "real" one |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
The Applause, Celeb and Ovation mandos all have the same pickup and preamp, so while there is a difference in the amplified tone, it's slight compared to the acoustic sound. Feel, playability and acoustic tone etc on the USA mandos is far superior. It's no different to comapring a USA Ovation guitar to an import. The extra bucks are money well spent. Dave has a book version for sale. I have one, and it's superb. I agree with everything Paul says. However, it's not like the Celebs suck out loud or something either. I played a Celeb for a year and a half before finding my MM-68 at a good price. I then sold my Celeb for a 30-40% profit, which made the price for my USA model that much better.  |
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Location: Scotland | You're right the Celeb mandos don't suck, they are excellent value and if you're not sure if a mando is right for you they're a good way to test the water without burning a hole in the bank balance. The Applause version is pretty sucky though. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Prof. Do a search, there's a very long post I wrote on this topic some years ago. I've been down the whole road and have the wasted money to show for it. It all comes down to what you need and what your expectations are.
I first bought an Applause mando. $299. Not bad for the money. It actually played pretty well. Plugged in was quite nice. But acoustically it sounded pretty bad compared to how I thought I mando should sound. Sold it for about half of what I paid.
Then I upgraded to the Celebrity mando. Total piece of shit. It was completely unplayable. I paid $400. for it and I invested another $300 trying to make it work. Top was sinking, bridge was pulling, neck had a huge hump in it and it sounded like crap. It was a miserable experience and I sold it as a project for about $100.
Decided I wasn't going to waste any more money and bought a USA mando. Actually the Book version. I think I paid $1200 or $1400 for it. Money well spent. It plays nice, sounds nice and is a pleasure to own. Even threw another $300 into it to have the neck glossed. Very nice instrument.
If you're hell bent on being loyal to Ovation then for gods sake buy a USA mando and don't throw away money like I did on the imports.
HOWEVER, with all due respect to Ovation, unless your are really into gigging (which I think you are) or are a total Ovation homo, you should really look at some other brands. Acoustically to my ears the Ovation mandos just don't have the volume, punch and cutting clarity of real wooden mandos. That's why I'm selling mine and shopping for a wooden one.
Yes you can spend many, many thousands on a mando. At the recent Collings factory tour they were building several in the $7k range. But there are really good ones out there under a grand as well. Check out Rover, Michael Kelly and Kentucky brands. As a guitar player you may prefer a "wide neck" mando which makes it a little easier to play.
Here's a really nice Rover for $499. This thing is so much better than any celeb it's not even funny.
ROVER MANDO
Actually, check out the whole Mandolin Store. They're not too far from me. Very cool shop and a really good inventory. $300. to $12,000. Whatever you want to spend.
THE MANDOLIN STORE
Now "rumor" has it that Takamine will be showing their two new mandos at NAMM next week. I've seen photos and they look nice. Might be worth holding out and see what those are all about and what kind of deals our favorite dealer has to offer ...
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Location: NJ | I can't really see how a Takamine mando would "suck" . . .
The Collings are KILLER!!!
I played Bill's a year or two ago, and it JUST "sings"!! . . . |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
That's why I'm selling mine and shopping for a wooden one. Not to butt into your business, as I get the impression you already know what you are looking for, but have you checked here:
Randy Wood Guitars
His eBay Store
Randy is one of the best in the business. I've been to his shop, and he has the FINEST mandos I've ever touched (and one I was afraid to touch...an absolute work of art. It's the expensive one in his eBay store.)
He's a great guy too. I first went to him to get some fretwork done on my C. Balladeer. Within five minutes, he was showing me all around his shop. |
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Location: Scotland | If you need a great sounding mandolin with the classic bluegrass F-style tone, then an Ovation is not it. They do not have a "classic" mandolin sound. But if you need a mandolin with a very good acoustic sound, that records well and can be used in any amplified situation, including loud rock band stage levels the there are very few choices. The Ovation mando and the Godin are about the only viable options. A Takamine could prove to be the third option. All of the others will need after-market pickups, and the results can be variable to say the least. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Thanks guys, particularly Paul and Dave. You've confirmed my suspicion. I do want to occasionally include it in gigs, so a pick-up is mandatory. I'll be at NAMM next week and will check out the rumors at the Tak booth. It just so happens that I know a Tak dealer, too. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Brad, have you considered whether you want a Celtic style or an F-Style mando?
Jimmy Moon mandolins out of Glasgow are supposed to be really nice ones.
I opted for a Celtic style custom built Davy Stuart mando out of New Zealand and have been very happy with it. You can get them fitted with a pickup but I opted for just an acoustic version.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey Patch, thanks for the heads up on Randy Wood. I'm aware of his stuff, actually didn't know he had an ebay store. Good thing he combines items for shipping to save you a few bucks (ha ha). That's a little out of my league. I was thinking more like $3k, not $30k. But fun to dream ...
Pauls right about plugged in, Ovation is the best bet so far. Interesting to see how Takamine is gonna stuff a cool tube into a mando body. Actually a mando proto was at the show last year just not out in public view.
Brad just buy my Book Mando and be done with it. I can bring it to Calif and hand deliver it to you ...
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by stephent28:
I opted for a Celtic style custom built Davy Stuart NICE! I'm not a mondo player, but that looks sweet. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Thanks Iffy. It was very reasonable at the time 3-4 years ago (course the dollar vs NZ was much more favorable a few years ago). Seems like I paid around $1200 for it but I might be a couple hundred off one way or the other. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Dave's book mando would be a sweet grab. The MM68 I had was an excellent mando for the money. The cases that come with them are the best!!! |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by stephent28:
Jimmy Moon mandolins out of Glasgow are supposed to be really nice ones. I know Jimmy, he does great work. He's originaly from Arran and has family where I live. He makes great guitars and his Celtic-style mando family stuff is killer. He also makes some nice electric mandolins with classic electric guitar body shapes. Steve Earle used one for a while
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You might also check out A.L. Smart mandos out of McCall, Idaho. He may only be locally famous and I don't think he uses preamps. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | When I was considering which one to buy I narrowed it down to one by Jimmy Moon or Davy Stuart. Both were HIGHLY recommended and the price for custom built stuff was exceptional.
I think I ultimately decided on the Stuart based on a shorter delivery time and a more favorable (at the time) exchange rate. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by stephent28:
Both were HIGHLY recommended and the price for custom built stuff was exceptional.
Jimmy doesn't charge enough for his instruments. When we out at the Shanghai MusicMesse a few years ago he had some Brazillian rosewood guitars on his booth at prices you'd expect to pay for Indian. His work is as good as just about any small-shop luthier anywhere, but his prices are comparable to some factory production. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I first heard about Moon from a local guy here who owned one of his guitars. He had purchased it when he lived in the New York area. Don't remember the materials used but it was gorgeous and SOUNDED KILLER! |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Morgan Monroe makes fantastic mando's. They range in price from $420 for an all mahogany A model to $1200 for an all maple F model. I know a guy who sold his "The Gibson" in favor of this mandolin. He made a bunch of money and got a better sounding instrument. The MMS-9FE/C has a solid spruce top and Fishman electronics for a little over $700. All Morgan Monroes come with a lifetime warranty. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I've thought about it, Dave. Last I knew, I was, like, third on the waiting list. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | From Dave's message it sounds like your #1 on the list. Jump on it. The "book" will probably always hold a better value than the MM68s. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
I've thought about it, Dave. Last I knew, I was, like, third on the waiting list. Some crooner in Scotland thought he needed two of them, but I brought him to his senses.
Another chap wanted the pair of Book Elite + Book Mando and assumed it was a buy one, get one free deal. I've subsequently sold the Book Elite to another upstanding gentleman.
So if you are interested drop me a PM or email. |
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Location: NJ | ". . Some crooner in Scotland . ."
Bing MacCrosby?? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Dave, Randy Woods is right up the road from here, good stuff.
ProfBB
1. grab Dave's book mando
2. second choice is get a Collings Varnish MF5. They'll run about 10. |
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Location: Indiana | Randy has that rare combination of talent and humility.
He built a 12 fret slothead for a friend of mine that is a piece of art. |
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Morgan Monroe makes fantastic mando's. They range in price from $420 for an all mahogany A model to $1200 for an all maple F model. I know a guy who sold his "The Gibson" in favor of this mandolin. He made a bunch of money and got a better sounding instrument. The MMS-9FE/C has a solid spruce top and Fishman electronics for a little over $700. All Morgan Monroes come with a lifetime warranty. I'll second that opinion. My son bought himself a MM mando two summers ago. It is a very nice instrument and a great value. His is the A style and he paid about $400 for it. For someone looking in that kind of price range, the Morgan Monroe has a nice sound and decent quality. He put a hot dot piezo on it for gigging and it sounds good enough for what he does. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Here ya go...
eBay MM-68 |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Nice price so far. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | I don't play mandolin really well, but enough to know that I'm not really fond of the O's. I've only played a couple, but they slid all around on my lap and I never felt comfortably situated with them (one was a new MM-68 at the Mothership.)
When I am free to mando shop I'm gonna pay a visit to Mandolin Brothers, and take heed of what you've all said about some of the other brands.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I just found out that this place is less than an hour from my house ...
THE MANDOLIN STORE
My goal is to buy a world class mandolin and I have no freaking idea why. Also no idea how I would pay for it. But I'm gonna do it. Someday.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Get yourself an original Loar, Dave..... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Thanks, Patch. I'm watching it. This sure looks like a similar one on the Bay a few weeks ago. Shoot, I was just in Irvine, too. |
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Question for the mandolin players . . .