Your Used Acoustic Guitar Strings!
Jeff W.
Posted 2009-02-11 10:07 AM (#428274)
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I have an idea in mind and it includes your used Acoustic guitar and bass strings... electric too... (Just "steel" please! Nylon is not part of the game)

I can't disclose the idea at the moment but, I will when, if and whether or not it actually works...

-The MOST useful strings will be:
Those that are cut "in-half" say, about the 9th fret and include both, the BallEnd and the "CurlyCues" at respective ends.

But- I'll take all strings, and please include the "CurlyCues" and the "BallEnds"

I propose that you send "sets" along in Coils, about the same size as a new set, wrapped in newspaper (yeah, I know there's gonna be a lotta "wild hairs" when coiled). When you have enough to fill a "9X11" envelope, send them along via the cheapest method.

Consider this a "Green" method of used string disposal!

If you are interested, please respond in the affirmative to this post and will contact you via PM or Email.
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Paulcc1
Posted 2009-02-11 10:21 AM (#428275 - in reply to #428274)
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Sounds like crazy fun.
Pauly
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MWoody
Posted 2009-02-11 10:36 AM (#428276 - in reply to #428274)
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Aye!
Count me in!
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-02-11 10:38 AM (#428277 - in reply to #428274)
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Yes. I need an excuse to change some strings.
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G8r
Posted 2009-02-11 10:44 AM (#428278 - in reply to #428274)
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Will do.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-02-11 11:25 AM (#428279 - in reply to #428274)
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wow, this should have been 3-4 days ago.
I just changed out 5 sets of strings and they went out in yesterday's trash. I will be changing out 4-6 more sets over the next week or so, so count me in.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2009-02-11 11:53 AM (#428280 - in reply to #428274)
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Jeff are you working on a steel version of the rubberband ball? Trebuchet ammo perhaps?
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-02-11 11:58 AM (#428281 - in reply to #428274)
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Originally posted by Phil Wong:
Trebuchet ammo perhaps?
I had similar thoughts. Maybe some type of pocket cross-bow?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-02-11 12:26 PM (#428282 - in reply to #428274)
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Originally posted by Phil Wong:
Jeff are you working on a steel version of the rubberband ball? Trebuchet ammo perhaps?
THAT's not a bad idea.
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Oddball
Posted 2009-02-11 12:27 PM (#428283 - in reply to #428274)
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flexible welding rod...?
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-02-11 1:16 PM (#428284 - in reply to #428274)
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I usually save my used strings for a local guy who makes jewelry out of them (some pretty cool stuff). But I go through LOTS of strings, so I'm sure I could share some with you.
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rededdie
Posted 2009-02-11 5:24 PM (#428285 - in reply to #428274)
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Perhaps a multi-holed cajun? Does the correct guess win a prize, Jeff?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-02-11 5:34 PM (#428286 - in reply to #428274)
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Sure...

On the string front...
I will need, I believe the correct nomenclature is, "A Shitload." I can wait a few months, so send as much as you can over the next few months...
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-02-11 5:36 PM (#428287 - in reply to #428274)
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I'll be sending you my fair share.
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Paulcc1
Posted 2009-02-11 5:39 PM (#428288 - in reply to #428274)
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This could be as much fun as a barrel uh my computer just told me it's name is Hal should I worry :confused:
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Beal
Posted 2009-02-11 7:49 PM (#428289 - in reply to #428274)
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A shitload is 32.
I looked it up years ago.
Now it could be 32 pounds in this case.........
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-02-11 8:30 PM (#428290 - in reply to #428274)
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32 in American. 32 in Imperial is a shitload more.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-02-11 8:36 PM (#428291 - in reply to #428274)
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I've figured it out. Way to go Jeff! Absolute genius. I'm going to steal it and use it myself. The used string collection has started! Thing is, the way I go through strings I'll have enough in a coupla weeks without any help.
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-02-11 9:37 PM (#428292 - in reply to #428274)
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Well, I haven't figured it out.
But I'll still bring my portion of the shitload down to Amelia.

Hey wait a minute.... you're not going into the "garrot" (spelling??) manufacturing business for the CIA are you??
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Paulcc1
Posted 2009-02-11 10:33 PM (#428293 - in reply to #428274)
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I have no Idea what it is but I cant wait to see it, I just love the insane.
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Losov
Posted 2009-02-12 4:38 AM (#428294 - in reply to #428274)
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He wants to get our DNA from the strings and plant it at the scene a planned heist of a bunch of Ovation guitars.

His won't be there, of course, and we're a pool of likely suspects. Clever.


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dweezil
Posted 2009-02-12 4:41 AM (#428295 - in reply to #428274)
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It's going to be some sort of artwork/sculpture methinks
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FlySig
Posted 2009-02-12 9:53 AM (#428296 - in reply to #428274)
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I'm thinking it's toupees for middle aged guitarists. Dred-locks.
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Phil Wong
Posted 2009-02-12 10:41 AM (#428297 - in reply to #428274)
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Metal hula skirts for the "Freddie And The Fishsticks Concert Tour"
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2009-02-13 8:43 PM (#428298 - in reply to #428274)
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I just changed. Let me know what to do when I have a shipment worth.
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Nils
Posted 2009-02-13 10:24 PM (#428299 - in reply to #428274)
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What about new snipped off ends? Are they useful?
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floridapete1
Posted 2009-02-14 12:07 AM (#428300 - in reply to #428274)
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Or send them to a charity:

http://www.secondstringsproject.org/

Cheers, Pete
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-02-14 7:59 AM (#428301 - in reply to #428274)
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Originally posted by Nils:
What about new snipped off ends? Are they useful?
Sure, toss them in...
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Phil Wong
Posted 2009-02-14 11:11 AM (#428302 - in reply to #428274)
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Waskel
Posted 2009-02-14 11:30 AM (#428303 - in reply to #428274)
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666
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-02-16 8:24 AM (#428304 - in reply to #428274)
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Take the elevator down to the 9th.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-06 4:15 PM (#428305 - in reply to #428274)
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Well, the first batch of strings arrived from Michigan and Rich gets a Kwepie Doll:


Thanks, Rich.

Keep them coming.
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fillhixx
Posted 2009-03-06 4:17 PM (#428306 - in reply to #428274)
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Hmmmmm, guess that's an idea.

Change strings before they rust off again.
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Northcountry
Posted 2009-03-06 10:14 PM (#428307 - in reply to #428274)
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Now I want to keep mine in case Jeff has figured out a way to tap energy from the force to pay the electric bill by using old guitar strings.
Would I be ruining a surprise if I asked;
WTF Jeff?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-07 9:06 AM (#428308 - in reply to #428274)
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Originally posted by Northcountry:
Now I want to keep mine in case Jeff has figured out a way to tap energy from the force to pay the electric bill by using old guitar strings.
Not only mine but, yours too!


(i will reveal when critical mass has been achieved)
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-03-10 10:28 PM (#428309 - in reply to #428274)
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I believe I sent you a "critical MESS" :}
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-10 10:58 PM (#428310 - in reply to #428274)
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I'll keep my eyes open for them Jim and let you know when they arrive
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-03-11 12:07 AM (#428311 - in reply to #428274)
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Mine are addressed and will go out at the post office later this week. Thanks for prompting me to change a few sets.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-11 12:32 PM (#428312 - in reply to #428274)
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Big score from our own Woody today. Thanks, Mike!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-11 4:21 PM (#428313 - in reply to #428274)
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and... Weaser comes through. What's that fine whitish powder?
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-03-11 4:44 PM (#428314 - in reply to #428274)
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Whoops, that must have come off my rash when I was packing the strings up. It's a REALLY nasty rash that covers, well, maybe I've gone too far already...
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-20 9:57 AM (#428315 - in reply to #428274)
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And the IdahoKid comes through...

Thanks, Mark...
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-03-20 10:20 AM (#428316 - in reply to #428274)
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Thank you. I changed strings on several guitars that really needed it and that left room in the string pile for me to pick up on a GC special on Martin Marquis strings. It will be awhile until I get to those.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-20 10:40 AM (#428317 - in reply to #428274)
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Any Teasers on the Project JW?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-20 4:43 PM (#428318 - in reply to #428274)
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it involves fire
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-03-20 4:58 PM (#428319 - in reply to #428274)
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Uh oh...
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-20 5:04 PM (#428320 - in reply to #428274)
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I'll take two, please!

Hmmm, hot wire, bell bronze, stainless steel and science...


I thought I'd reuse my Low "E"'s on the weedwacker this Spring. I'll tell you how it goes!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-03-21 12:12 PM (#428321 - in reply to #428274)
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Two big scores from Jas and PEZ.

Duuuuudes! Thanks.

(Jas' included a little "string doodle" on the envelope which, I gonna save and watch it appreciate.)
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2009-03-21 12:38 PM (#428322 - in reply to #428274)
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Given that it was JW who said "string doodle", it's not what you think. It's a drawing on the outside of the envelope.
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ladylaw
Posted 2009-04-12 5:12 PM (#428323 - in reply to #428274)
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Jeff,
Are you still doing this? I just changed strings on 2 of my guitars.

Anita
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2009-04-12 10:22 PM (#428324 - in reply to #428274)
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I should have a decent sized haul in about a week as well.
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stephent28
Posted 2009-04-12 10:53 PM (#428325 - in reply to #428274)
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I got a pretty good pile built up also. Just waiting to change out 3-4 more and then I am sending them all out.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-04-13 12:42 AM (#428326 - in reply to #428274)
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Me too. End of next weekend should be the time I can mail the envelope.
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ladylaw
Posted 2009-04-13 11:45 AM (#428327 - in reply to #428274)
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I need an address to mail them to

Anita
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-04-13 12:16 PM (#428328 - in reply to #428274)
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Anita,

I sent ya his addy via PM.
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BT717
Posted 2009-04-13 4:56 PM (#428329 - in reply to #428274)
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Hey Jeff or Johnny or anyone for that matter. I'll be ready to send some out in a couple of weeks. How about Jeff's address?
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-04-13 6:21 PM (#428330 - in reply to #428274)
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Bob,

I'll PM ya after I hit 'Add Reply' here... hold on...

... check your PM!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-05-23 9:08 PM (#428331 - in reply to #428274)
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Well Jeff...


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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-05-23 9:46 PM (#428332 - in reply to #428274)
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I got a big envelope full of strings to send to you Jeff. It'll be on it's way on Tuesday.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-05-23 10:22 PM (#428333 - in reply to #428274)
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Oh yah, I need to send the "for JW" pile out.

Thanks Bobbo.

When will we be able to see the deliverable?
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gh1
Posted 2009-05-23 11:42 PM (#428334 - in reply to #428274)
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Yeah, i've been collecting them too for a while now. What the heck am i supposed to do with them again?

_____
gh1
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stephent28
Posted 2009-05-23 11:43 PM (#428335 - in reply to #428274)
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Big pile here too but I am changing out one last batch over the holidays before they go out next week!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-05-24 12:22 AM (#428336 - in reply to #428274)
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Any one needing Jeff's snail mail addy, PM or email me...
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stephent28
Posted 2009-07-01 12:04 AM (#428337 - in reply to #428274)
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Well, after "one more batch" or "one more string change" for the last 3 months I finally sent a box off to Jeffy that probably has 30 old sets in it.

Have fun untangling them!!!
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MWoody
Posted 2009-07-01 12:25 AM (#428338 - in reply to #428274)
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I've got a tangle of strings to send too.
Whwn are are we going to be "enlightened" on the project????
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stephent28
Posted 2009-07-01 11:43 AM (#428339 - in reply to #428274)
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Yeah Jeff.....how's the project coming and when you gonna spill the beans???
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-07-01 1:22 PM (#428340 - in reply to #428274)
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JW, PM me your addy so I can get some off. You were in my iPhone but with the career realignment the Outlook contacts went away. Long story about all or none in the address book. :rolleyes:
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-07-01 2:39 PM (#428341 - in reply to #428274)
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bobbo,

Got ya covered. Check your PM...
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-07-02 4:42 PM (#428342 - in reply to #428274)
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just a quickie to thank those who have sent strings. Nearing critical mass.

Hint: It will be a sculpture.

Bobbo, I'll email ya. . .
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-08-31 4:24 PM (#428343 - in reply to #428274)
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Jeff,

Ya still on this? I've got some more to send ya...
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-08-31 5:08 PM (#428344 - in reply to #428274)
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Ditto. Unless SWMBO found them and threw them out.
(Jeff was fishing last I knew.)
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geneo
Posted 2009-08-31 7:48 PM (#428345 - in reply to #428274)
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Metal hula skirts for the "Freddie And The Fishsticks Concert Tour"
:eek: I JUST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR I LAUGHED SO HARD Phil u r out there!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-08-31 8:42 PM (#428346 - in reply to #428274)
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geneo,

Dial 911 and watch FREDDIE & the FISH STICKS .
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-08-31 9:00 PM (#428347 - in reply to #428274)
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YSBT.
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Waskel
Posted 2009-08-31 11:15 PM (#428348 - in reply to #428274)
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