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| I am new here, and I never own an Ovation though I played some of my friends. The 2002 Collector's (figured African cherry top) looks really magnificent to me, and I've been told that it sounds great plugged and unplugged. What do you think about this guitar (sound, quality, reliability...)? What would be a good purchase price for a mint one ? Thank you for your help. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I had one. Loved it. Sold it. Regretted it. Replaced it. And intend to keep it.
The 2002 C seems to be one of the love'em or hate'em models. To me, they have a very unique sound; very mellow and warm. Not a bright guitar at all. They also have extremely fast-playing and comfortable necks. And I'm one of the few who actually appreciate that the top is a laminate. It's the instrument that I take out in the New York winters when I feel I might benefit from just a little added weather resistance.
As far as price is concerned, and mine is mint, I'd ask $1000 for it, but you can probably find one for less if you look hard enough.
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| Thank you for your proposal Patch. I think I gonna look around a bit before buying, and wait for the comments of other Ovation users. I'll keep in touch with you.
So, mellow and warm sound, and laminate top which resists to hygrometric changes according to Patch : maybe you got problems with your 2001 top, awesome also but with solid top ? 2002's seem to be pretty difficult to find as only 740 were made. What else about the 2002 collector's ? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Why do you want the 02C?
Is it the looks? Never had an 02C (but have had 84, 93, 97, 01, 03, 06 and 07 Collectors). The only one missing from that list that I'm personally interested in is the 87 (Patch? ;) )
I would also expect the 02 to be similar in tone to the 01, mellower and warmer than the others. Whilst the 01 looked gorgeous, like the 02, for me there were 'better' Ovations so it had to go to make room.
It's a great guitar, hell it's an Ovation Collector but I think not one of the classic Collectors. I suppose you have to ask yourself why that one. They do come up from time to time but often the sellers don't really appreciate what the 'real' market value is. Yeah it cost $2000+ new but these days realistically it's not going to command much more than say $700 (at least that would be my top $). Hell for a little more you can get an Adamas II :)
If you haven't yet tried one, try and do so, you might not even like it. For me the only way to try them is to buy them. Get then for a reasonable price then you can always sell them on.
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| Good question Dweezil !
Why the 02C ? Well, first because I usually play electric guitar (Fender US Telecaster Plus and Thinline, Fat Strat) and the neck seems to be applied to electric users. Because it's a collector's and, maybe I'm wrong, as it is a limited edition it would be a quality work. Because of the ebony fingerboard. And because it looks really gorgeous ! $700 for a 02C ? I think I've never seen one sold at that price on Ebay for two years !
I never played either an Adamas or a Collector, and nothing to be tested in music shops except Celebrity guitars (are we talking about Ovation guitars ?!). That's the reason why I ask to "Ovationmaniacs" !
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | I came from the electric guitar too, Tele's and Strat's, PRS, Ibanez JSs, Parker Fly and so I find pretty much all the Ovation necks to be similar, i.e. low action, fast etc etc. There are a load of wide neck Ovations/Adamas but generally they have an electric feel.
Whilst the looks shouldn't be important it is, at least in my case it is and I'm an ebony neck freak too!
Yes the collectors are great some some are greater than others. The '87 is widely acknowledged to be probably the best collector Ovation ever made and is the only one I want to try but haven't. It just had mojo!
Oh and take a look here for my guitars :
http://www.boiledsweets.com/gtrs
Where are you? We have members all over the place and often have get togethers where you can get your hands on 30 - 40 of the very best Ovations / Adamas! |
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| I bought my Tele Plus for the sound (Lace Sensor pickups) like my Fat Strat, but I must admit that I got the Thinline 72, beyond the sound of the humbuckers, also for the look of its body !
I played some acoustic Martin, nice and bright sound (too much bright ?), deep bass, very good projection, but I feel the neck umconfortable. So a thin neck would be fine for me. And I feel ebony fingerboard sweet and fast.
You got a really nice collection of Ovation, and almost Collector's. Don't sell your 2003C on Ebay these days ? |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Dweezil and I tend to have similar tastes in instruments, but we definitely have differing opinions about the 2001 Collector's. I've stated before that I believe, 20 years from now, it will be considered one of the best sounding acoustic guitars ever made by Ovation. I love the sound that comes from it, but even I admit, it is a very unique sound. If you're looking for a spruce-topped, tone monster like the 1537 or the '87 Collector's (from my cold dead hands Dweez... ;) ), then the '01 might not be for you. But out of all my guitars, my discerning wife has only made two unsolicited remarks:
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2) "That's the best-sounding guitar you have."---Stated more than once while I played my '01C.
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Don't misunderstand, the '87C deserves its reputation as does the 1537. Here's a thread I started about a year ago where I actually took out the 01C, the 87C, and the 1537 and did a side-by-side comparison.
Comparing A to B to C
It might be helpful if we knew your shopping budget and any "make-or-break" details you have about purchasing. And I've assembled my entire collection whilst living by what Dweezil suggested: If you manage to buy at a reasonable price (or better), you can always sell a guitar for at least what you have in it if the instrument doesn't quite click your gears.
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| I read your comparison : you're an artist Patch ! Don't know if you do write songs, but you know how to put feelings in your descriptions. I was hearing yours guitars while reading you...
I liked so much your "if the 87 is a 'she', the 01 is a 'he'" comparison, and definitively, I'm looking for a "friend", not a "girl friend" (hope my wife will read this post one day !) : I want to hear a warm and mellow timbre, rather than bright and loud one. I want it to be my musical state of mind reflection, like my own soul speaking through it.
My shopping budget ? Around $1000, 1500 as a maximum. "Make or break" details ? A mint one, but not new as to get a good price, with a case. A thin and fast neck. And I don't really care if the top is real wood or laminated, if it sounds. Warm sound, not too bright, but as I can't try it before, need some advice to reduce possible insatisfaction.
So for the moment, I detain the 01 and 02 Collector's. Some more details or appreciation about these two guitars (or others) ? |
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| Hey Dweezil ! A 87C for sale on Ebay !!! Don't know how to put the link, but the Ebay reference is 120401397627
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Well knowing your budget helps.
Now let me put this idea to you...
How about an 06? Can be picked up for less $1000! So play your cards right, shop around and get an 06 AND 01 for that budget!
Solid KOA top, highly glossed *FAST* neck, ebony fingerboard, jumbo frets, more stable top (compared to the 01), warm woody mellow tone, INLAID flame maple epaulet, a deep contour bowl (so better bass response to the 01).
I also think the looks, construction, finish and tone of the 06 is "better" than the 01. Ovation learnt more stuff in the 5 years and put it to good use.
Don't get me wrong the 01 is a great guitar but in MY opinion the 06 is more of the same but just "better" all round.
Then there's the 07 - OH MY GOD! It's everything the 06 isn't! It's my go to guitar. |
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| Very nice guitars, Dweezil and MWoody. You know your guitar better than I do, MWoody, but isn't it a 2001 Collector instead of a 2000 ? How do you feel with it ? What are its "pluses" ?
Dweezil, I live in French Polynesia, which explain why I can't try some good Ovations : only some crappy Celebrity in the only music shop selling Ovation guitars. The nearest next shop is in ... Hawaii or New Zealand !
And buying a guitar at a distance means paying $100-150 shipping cost for each guitar, and adding custom fees... So my "net" budget is more $800-1000 than $1500, or buy it during a trip in USA saving shipping costs. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | You're right, Woody typoed a little. But the 2000 Collector's might also be a possibility. I had one that now belongs to 2ifbyC. It definitely had that warm sound. It is also another laminate. IFFY? You out there? Any input about this one? You know it better than me by now.
I've never played a 2006, so I can't help much with that one. Now I think about it, I've never had the opportunity to play a koa guitar of any kind at all! (Huh! How'd that happen? :confused: I gotta put some thought into that.... :eek: )
Living where you do certainly adds to the logistics of your acquisition. (Understatements "R" Us) I know where there are both a 2006 Collector's and a 2002 for sale, but they won't ship internationally. I'll keep thinking on it. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Patch:
IFFY? You out there? Any input about this one? Here's my initial 2000 Collector report/review. The lacewood is gorgeous and only 719 were made. Sweet guitar!
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Heh, heh!!
Minor aside that only Iffy would understand, but I'd forgotten about that box I shipped until I talked with Music Mike a few days ago. That thing WAS a monster! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Ok, I've been watching "Lost" and "Life on Mars" so I'm not sure what the heck year it is!
The Redwood is as you described - "A thin and fast neck... Warm sound, not too bright".
Soft and responsive sounds right. |
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| Nice guitars, and awesome kids 2ifbyC ! Do they begin to play guitar ?
I was looking first for a 2002, but now I'm wondering about 2000, 2001, 2006... Do I have to build a "collection of collector's" as Dweezil did ?...
Patch, will you find me a "four guitars box" :) ?!
But always thinking about 2001 or 2002, thin neck, warm sound, and gorgeous top...
"Life on Mars", is it that movie with Ken Russell, MWoody ? Or was you playing some David Bowie songs watching TV ;) ? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | There is one thing to note : the 01 redwood top is very sensitive to climatic changes, like you might get in polynesia.
I think the neck profile is shallower on the 06 compared to the 01. |
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| Well, it's always warm in Polynesia, between 24-28°C in "winter" and 26-32°C in "summer", which is the wet season. No problem of dry weather, so no need of humidificator here.
And what about the neck of the 02 ?
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Never had an 02 so don't know.
The 83C doesn't do anything for me. Cannot see it listed, whats the item number? |
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| Sorry Dweezil, I made a mistake.
It was a 87c, see my post above : item number 120401397627. But the guitar has somme scratches...
So what about the neck of the 02, "fast playing and comfortable" as Patch argues ? Another opinion ? |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Ah the one with the bridge lift - trouble is it might need a costly mothership repair. I won't be bidding. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Based on playing a few Koa guitars, that really might fit the bill. It tends to be a bit "stiff" when you first start playing it, but over time will open up into a very deep, warm midrange tone. It's somewhere in the middle of the range between ebony, rosewood, and spruce, and has a character all on its own.
Here's a couple visuals from Breedlove that I think help define the tone spectrum really well:
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Dear Guitar Dealer, Here is my credit card number. Please send me a guitar that has a round harmonic tone with woody and pulsing breathing ... What a total bunch of bullshit.
There's about a gazillion things that go into how a guitar sounds and choice of wood is just one of them.
One of the most interesting experiments I ever read about, I think it was Taylor who did this, they took two different tops (spruce and cedar) and two different back/sides (rosewood and mahogany) and they played with the bracing pattern and bracing weights until they made all 4 guitars sound identical.
What gets lost in the translation is that even guitars built identically from the same materials will vary from one to the other because you're dealing with natural materials. Ovation has a huge advantage here because they use less natural materials that other builders. So same model ovations sound much more identical. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | Very true, though there are characteristics of different woods, even if it is mostly in how they are handled and braced.
I heard of the experiment you referred to. Taylor also once built a guitar out of a reclaimed scrap pallet just to prove that it's more how it's made than what it's made of. I played the "pallet guitar" once...it sounded great.
I think that as a top wood Koa doesn't really fit into the "spectrum" that Breedlove lists, mostly since in my experience it changes so much over time and tension. It does tend to sound more clear with a strong attack, but my all-koa Tacoma for example has a ton of harmonics and resonance to the tone that I've not ever found in a spruce top guitar.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Um Hollymood?
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I just checked with the USPS website, and if I'm not mistaken, a guitar will not fit below their size limits. How were you going to get an instrument shipped there. If we had an idea of shipping cost, we would be better able to find something that fits your budget.
I've found a couple of possible leads for you, but if shipping is too high, I may have to keep looking. |
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| Edensharvest, I thank you for yours usefull visuals.
Yes, you are certainly right, Gallerinski and Edensharvest : a guitar mostly sounds as it has been handled and braced, and also according to the fingers and the soul which play on it !
But as Gallerinski wrote, "Ovation has a huge advantage here because they use less natural materials that other builders. So same model ovations sound much more identical" : that is the reason why I am interested in the opinion of Ovation users, and especially Collector's users.
And as I live "far from everywhere", I can't try the guitars before buying, I have to buy it at a distance, so I want to "reduce risks" sharing your experience of Ovation guitars, maybe very personal or "subjective" but which often are similar with the same guitars (or one's opinion influences other's ?). |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | In that case, best to find something within the OFC here, as many members can truthfully represent what they are selling.
Patch, I've shipped lots of guitars via USPS International Priority, and a guitar box just fits the requirements. Some are a little on the large size, but Ovation and Taylor boxes as I recall (the 2 most common IMO) just fit. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Hiya Andrew,
An Ovation guitar box measures out at 106 inches (length + girth). I've sent several guitars overseas as well, but only to countries with "exceptional size limits." The usual maximum size for overseas Priority mail is 79 inches total.
Here's a link to the USPS page with a list of countries that have exceptional size limits:
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I'm afraid French Indonesia isn't on it. I'm hoping Hollymood already has an alternate plan? |
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| Hey Patch, depends maybe on the guitar ? Some sellers on Ebay gave me quotes to ship guitars here (between $110 and $996 !), always with USPS. And some gave me the same information as yours.
If it is a real problem, I will have to find a reason to go to USA, and buy one here, or to make a stop there on the way to continental France. That what I do to buy my two last guitars (one year ago, I missed a 2001C in California : see it on Guitar Center website, try to keep it on save, but was sold at $800 when I arrived...). |
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| I typed "French Polynesia" in your link Patch, and these are the general conditions :
"The shipping label is approximately 5.5 inches high and
9.5 inches long, and the plastic pouch that carries it is
approximately 7 inches high and 12 inches long.
Maximum length: 46 inches
Maximum width: 35 inches
Maximum height: 46 inches
Maximum length and girth combined: 108 inches"
That's just OK for an Ovation guitar box, so Edensharvest was right ?!
Otherwise, I'll have to plan my next hollydays in the United States... and maybe "babysit" some Collector's model in Patch's home ;) |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I forgot to mention that---those restrictions apply only to the "Global Express Guaranteed" service. Suffice to say that it is cost prohibitive, somewhere between $750 and $850 depending on the precise dimensions of the box. (I used 46X20X10.)
It gives you a quote for Priority Mail International, but limits the size to 79 inches. Anyone else out there who can definitively clear this up? I'd hate for Hollymood to purchase something just to have it stopped in its tracks by a cranky postal worker. |
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| You are so kind Patch, those service conditions are not clear at all for me. Some sellers say they can't ship a guitar to French Polyensia, and some others say they can, for the same kind of guitars. Depending on the box used as well.
Another solution is to send the guitar to France, where my family lives, and wait until my next trip there. But I'll not be able to check the guitar out of the box, and have to wait to play with it... |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | I'm in Brighton, UK about 30 miles from France and happy to baby sit anything for you. I'm even coming to France next week but I don't think you'd be able to get anything to me by then. Also there is the problem of import TAX :(
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| Thank you so much Dweezil for your proposal. It may be a good idea for a purchase in UK... for instance one of your guitars !
I have the same problem here with the import tax, which must be added to the total cost purchase plus shipping costs.
Maybe the best (only ?) solution is to buy it during a trip in USA, or in France (and UK)...
I have to stay one week in New Zealand next month. Do anybody know if there's an Ovation dealer ? Or an Ovation fan as you are ? |
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| I finally got it ! Posted with USPS, I received this morning my 2002 Collector's bought from a guy in Arkansas. The guitar was in its case, and the whole in a box (48,8 inch x 19 x 8,3). The box was a little rounded (too thin, 10 inch seems right), but the case had no issue, and no problem with the custom here.
So if we knew it before, I could have buy your 2002C Patch !
I went to my postal box, paid the custom fees, put the box in my car while I was working, and wait to be at home to open it. A sweet torture !
First thing, the case is perfectly fit to the guitar : the guitar doesn't move at all in it. And the best, the guitar itself. A real beauty. Even laminate, the top is wonderfull, it change with the inclination of the (artificial) light, let see tomorrow under the sunlight... The guitar has no scratch, no ding, near mint, some light marks of picking, but one has to watch with the nose on it.
The strings are Elixir light, and maybe it is the reason why I first found the sound quite "metallic" unplugged (my other acoustic guitar is a modest but brightfull Martin DX1). The auction is low, very easy to play (the opposite of my Martin !). The neck is quite round -I use to play Fender electric guitars-, but very pleasant to play. And the fingerboard... "like butter", sweet and smooth, like playing on silk... (I hear my Martin grouch...). A deep black ebony fingerboard, again a real beauty !
I plugg it and... wow, what a sound. The "metallic" sound becomes full and harmonious while each note stays very distinctive (sorry for my limited English !).
I don't know well how to use the "EQ", "pre-shape" and "notch" pot, the user's manual was not included, but with some use (or your advices !)...
So thank you all, Patch (sorry again for your 02C ! And great thanks for your kind attention by e-mail), MWoody, Edenharvest, Dweezil (my next one, a 07C ?...), 2ifbyC and others, your advices were very usefull. And I am proud to become today a real "Ovation Fan". But for the moment, an Ovation user... sorry, but "she" is calling me !!! |
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| Exactly as you told me Patch : a mellow and warm sound, less bright than my Martin but it was exactly what I was waiting for. And an "highway neck" : fast and comfortable.
And I must admit it is my best loocking guitar : I haven't put it in its case since yesterday. Today I'm working at home on my computer. Well, working... Working, looking at it, playing, working again, looking, playing... My Martin is sulking in its case...
This purchase reassured me : it was the first time I bought a guitar at a distance, without trying it before. And I am now thinking about a 87 or 97C, an Adamas II, or a 1769 ADII in natural... Am I becoming "Ovation addict" ?... |
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Am I becoming "Ovation addict" ?
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My wife won't be pleased as you are, 2ifbyC !!! Well, she could join the 'OOO' (Ovation Obsessive Organization) and enter the 6 or 12 step program! :p |
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| Reading some of your posts gave me this envy of 97C and 87C. And you are one (the only one ?) who owns both. What are the pluses of each one ? If I have to get one, which one first ?
Free-fall ? For the moment I'm gliding with this beauty, together high in spite of my poor guitaristic level.
But... how could I wait for a so long time before getting an Ovation ? I'm 45 years old, and I was dreaming of an Ovation at 18 ! I started playing again guitar recently, after a long stop.
And I'm really delighted with my first Ovation. So... the fall is imminent ! I hope laws against "wooden parachute" will not be taken... [Sorry Mr Administrator, that's not politics but only a bad joke !] |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Hollymood, you like many here including myself are experiencing the same sort of mysterious force, don't try and fight it, you cannot win.
I came here with a £50 Applause and since have had too many Ovations. My 97 (wide nut) is STILL residing in Texas waiting for delivery and a 87-4 is finding tough to source. But I've owned all the other collectors I think worth considering and have settled on the 06 and 07, they're kinda of ying and yang.
Now if you're after wood then a large number of people here think (and remember this is just opinion) that the Elite 1537 is probably one of the finest wood tops ever made, it's certainly one of the loudest! So perhaps that would be a good one to try next, and possibly easier to locate than a 97 or 87.
So I am in the unenvious position of having run out of Ovations to covet/own. I am now working my way through the Adamas range, I only mention this as it could easily happen to you!!!
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by Hollymood:
But... how could I wait for a so long time before getting an Ovation ? I'm 45 years old, and I was dreaming of an Ovation at 18 ! I started playing again guitar recently, after a long stop. You sound like at least half of the membership here. |
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| I thank you a lot for your advice Dweezil, coming from someone who knows about what he is speaking !
I've seen the Elite 1537 on the Ovation website. Very nice guitar.
But tell me Dweezil, how do you act to buy in USA from UK ? Do you have personal postal adress there ? Or do you "babysit" your purchase at one's OF home ? I am very interested because of my own "far from everywhere" living... |
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