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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I need help formulating this… This is a pending ‘Snob Index’…
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Owns a Celebrity, likes it very much.
Misses his old Applause.
Believes that Academy’s were a Great idea, and Love the sound.
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Thinks Pinnacles and Korean Balladeers a junk even if they do have solid tops.
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Plans on Never buying a TX or AX Korean Ovation.
Thinks that Kaman-Bars are trash. If it don’t have a TRC it ain’t an Ovation.
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Got Mad when they saw an OP-Pro on a Celebrity.
Cried when they heard that they were putting Contour Bowls on Ultras.
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If it don’t have a Slot-head and a badge on the back, it ain’t a Real Adamas.
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Location: Reisterstown, Maryland | What's a TRC?
I just sold an Ultra, which I loved had a great sound and neck just cause somebody said they weren't all that good, and I'm ruing the day. I loved that guitar! And that's what it's about.
So, OMA, where would I fall on the snob chart?
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Location: closely held secret | Prefers American-made Ovations because they have met the people who build them and know how much love and care goes into building a superior product. |
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Location: Brighty in Blighty | Hey, I actually miss my old Applause.
Would make great firewood ;)
Only kidding folks, doh... |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by ladylaw:
What's a TRC?
I just sold an Ultra, which I loved had a great sound and neck just cause somebody said they weren't all that good, and I'm ruing the day. I loved that guitar! And that's what it's about.
So, OMA, where would I fall on the snob chart?
Anita Truss rod cover...
Anita, why would the opinion of someone you've never met persuade you to sell it? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Anita... My first Ovation was a Korean 4861 Balladeer that I overpaid for...
I sold it and bought a 1612 Beater Balladeer cuz it was American Made.
Dozens of guitars later I realize that the 4861 was a Nice little guitar.
Don't know if All 4861's are as nice, but that one was.
I kinda bought my 1860 to replace the Korean Balladeer.
But in the fogginess of my memory, the Korean Balladeer was better.
So Yeah... I've done that too.
[for the list - Would Never Buy an Import Ovation but owns three Takamine's] |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Anita, why would the opinion of someone you've never met persuade you to sell it? [/QB] Oh really Wabbit. The opinions of people I've never met pursuaded me to buy my 08C (and good opinions they were). :) |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Many folk don't understand the diff twix snob and connoisseur! 
... and then we have the 'sick puppy' collectors...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Snob is just short for Snot-Blob. The heart, soul and mojo of any original adamas slothead. |
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Location: CA | This should be in there somewhere:
"Real guitars have five-piece gloss necks. 'Oiled wood' is what they make boat decks out of." |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by TAFKAR:
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Anita, why would the opinion of someone you've never met persuade you to sell it? Oh really Wabbit. The opinions of people I've never met pursuaded me to buy my 08C (and good opinions they were). :) [/QB]
She sold a guitar she loved. If we all told you now the 08 was a piece of trash would you sell it? |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I used to BE one of those "people who build them", and while I don't OWN a Celeb, I have proudly sold quite a few. I believe they are the very best "starter guitars" on the market, and that people who start on a Celeb, will settle for nothing less than an Ovation when it is time to upgrade. (That is, IF they decide to upgrade. There are quite a few folks out there who love their Celebs enough to keep them, and there's nothing wrong with that.) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't get the celebrity bashing. They are what they are, good for the money entry level guitars. Martin has their X series, Taylor has the Baby series, Takamine has the G series, etc. There's a lower end of a product line and an upper end. So what. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Coz IMO they're not Ovations, they're Celebrities. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by muzza:
Coz IMO they're not Ovations, they're Celebrities. BINGO!!!
Chevys aren't Caddies... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | So what's a Balladeer? It's not made in the USA so is it not an Ovation? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | See? Now we are creeping up the snobbishness scale. :rolleyes:
An Old Balladeer is an Ovation.
A NEW 'AX' is in fact a re-named Ultra with a dove-tail neck-joint.
Likewise a NEW Elite AX or TX is also a re-named Ultra with Dove-Tail AND 'X' Bracing.
(Which is Not an Elite, cuz REAL Elite's have Quintad bracing)
Am I a snob yet?
[The thot plickens :p ] |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I don't get the celebrity bashing. They are what they are, good for the money entry level guitars. Martin has their X series, Taylor has the Baby series, Takamine has the G series, etc. There's a lower end of a product line and an upper end. So what. I agree. The first guitar given me was a Kay. The first one I bought was a Yamaha. Then someone showed me his Ovation Legend. Within a couple of months I had purchased my first Ovation, a Celebrity. I was a beginner; it was all I could afford; and  I had no idea this slope was THAT slippery! :eek:  |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think y'all are getting way too hung up on names and where they're made. They're all Fenders. End of story. |
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| OK, now some of you are starting to sound like the stove knitters on some of the wood-box forums (Takamine Forum excluded), arguing when the best time is to harvest the Engleman spruce that only grows on certain hillsides in Bavaria, or whether fossilized whale penis is a better material for bridge pins than wooly mammoth ivory..
I've owned several "low-end" Ovations - 2 Celebs and a Matrix. No, they don't use the higher quality materials or arguably better construction techniques as SOME of the US-made models, but they're a helluva value. And if you play mostly plugged in you'd be hard pressed to hear the difference between a US-made and a Celeb of the same bowl depth and body style.
That said, I've sold off my lower-end Ovations and now have a pretty good selection of what are widely considered to be among the best guitars to ever come out of New Hartford. Why? Because to my ears the acoustic tone of the guitars I have is superior. That's not snobbery or Celeb-bashing, it's just the way it is.
If you're a relatively new player, or want a brand new guitar with warranty and don't have the $$ spend on a high-end O or A, or just like the variety of top woods and finishes available on Celebs that aren't available on US models, then by all means get a Celeb. I often tell people on this board who say they're looking into getting a Celeb to give a used O a shot. But in a GC or SA I always say something encouraging and positive about the Celebs when I see people playing them.
Play what speaks to you. Just play. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Can I play?
You tell me what I am:
I came here in 2003 after buying a 2003 Celeb Collector, sent it back and bought a 1778LX sight-unseen from some lousy Salesman in NJ.
Now my wall looks like this:
I have made a lot of Friends, butchered several guitars and I am ecstatic because the Bathroom is finished and I have started to regain my Man Cave!!!
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Location: closely held secret | I count 14 cases but only eleven guitars out. Slacker.
...your man-cave was the bathroom?? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Dear John,
In the cases are a Martin 12 string, AJ's T-Bolt and another case is for a Viper Acoustic.
Also note the potential for more trouble.
Not a bathroom, just the storeroom. |
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Location: closely held secret | Every mad scientist needs a few spare body parts around! |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
...your man-cave was the bathroom?? No...that would be the man-office.  |
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Location: Texas | MWoody; I don't see where you do all your BFLG work, there's not an ironing board in sight… ;) |
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Location: Vernon CT | YOU ARE SICK!!!!! :D ;) |
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Location: closely held secret | True, but you have to meet him to truly appreciate the extent of his maniacal deviancy. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | In trying to define guitar snobs, I think we wandered into guitar geek territory. A whole different kettle of creatures and one of the more endearing features of this group, IMO.
Geeks know a guitars provenance by the serial number.
Snobs would not form social bonds with the paid employees of their guitar maker,
then still socialize with those who only play in the shallow end of the infatuation. ;-)
Woody is one of those guys you always want on your team. In the war movies, he's the guy that builds the machine that gets everyone out of a trap with parts from an abandoned motorcycle, a washing machine, and the units busted radio. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | If your guitar collection has it's own climate controlled room; You may be a guitar snob.
If you wouldn't but an 'aged' EC Blackie because it's just so-faux; you may be a guitar snob.
If you wouldn't own a guitar that was not made with a rare species of wood,
or cost less than $7000 because "they just sound cheap; you ARE a guitar snob. |
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Location: Reisterstown, Maryland | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Anita, why would the opinion of someone you've never met persuade you to sell it? I was buying the 1861 recently and need more cash so I had to sell one of my guitars. That was the one I chose to sell after talking to people. I love the 1861 but wish I could have kept that one.
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Location: Reisterstown, Maryland | Originally posted by ladylaw:
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Anita, why would the opinion of someone you've never met persuade you to sell it? I was buying the 1861 recently and needed more cash so I had to sell one of my guitars. That was the one I chose to sell after talking to people. I love the 1861 but wish I could have kept that one.
Anita |
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Location: closely held secret | Ok, then, the "sell one you love to buy one you want" dilemma.
That I completely understand! |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Ok, then, the "sell one you love to buy one you want" dilemma.
That I completely understand! Me too....sadly.
Here's a link to illustrate that very dilemma:
My beloved 2002 Collector\'s is now for sale. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | If you think your chosen brand of guitar is the only one worth owning, you're a guitar snob.
If you know the names of more than 7 of the people involved in making your guitar, you are a guitar geek. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | And if you believe that every guitar is good for SOMETHING(even if it's just parts), and that every guitar should be made as playable as possible and go to a good home, you must be a teacher! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I must be a Geek Teacher then!
Philhixxx - "Woody is one of those guys you always want on your team. In the war movies, he's the guy that builds the machine that gets everyone out of a trap with parts ..."
That is the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me on the Internet, thanks man! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Remember: He's also the one in the movie who says, "I sit here and push the button, how do you think it goes off? Now you guys get out of here, my finger's itchy!"
YVW, and it's all true. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Originally posted by Patch:
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
...your man-cave was the bathroom?? No...that would be the man-office.
AJ :D |
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Location: New South Wales, Australia | Nice one Jim :D I spend enough time in the smallest room in the house reading guitar magazines....if this was my bathroom I mightn't ever come out. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | No acoustics in the bathroom ... where's the amp, AJ? |
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Location: Vernon CT | No worries re: humidifing those!! :D ;) |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I can't do that. My legs go to sleep and I fall off. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "No worries re: humidifing those!!"
What came to mind as the antithesis of that statement was the scene in Goodbye Girl where Richard Dreyfess is upset at the lingerie hanging in the bathroom...
"No, more, panties on the railing!"
Dude, you should be ashamed. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | What makes you think it's my place??
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | That floor looks like someone should look where they're aiming instead of at the guitars. |
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