Fender loses body decision.
an4340
Posted 2009-05-15 3:50 PM (#415572)
Subject: Fender loses body decision.


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Fender Body Decision

I thought it was settled, that only the headstock is patentable. Well, it is now.
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an4340
Posted 2009-05-15 4:02 PM (#415573 - in reply to #415572)
Subject: Re: Fender loses body decision.


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As I read the decision it looks like they can't enforce their patent because:
1)They didn't aggresive enforce the patent a long time ago,
2)The shapes have become generic, and,
3)Consumer's, while knowing where the shapes come from, they do not immediately identify them the source of the body as being from a particular manufacturer.
4)Builder's do not make the bodies to confuse consumers.

It makes sense.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2009-05-15 5:34 PM (#415574 - in reply to #415572)
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I thought that a Patent only lasted for twenty yrs. ... :confused:

Vic
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dvd
Posted 2009-05-15 5:59 PM (#415575 - in reply to #415572)
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Fender was trying to trademark the body shapes, not patent them.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2009-05-15 6:25 PM (#415576 - in reply to #415572)
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1)They didn't aggresive enforce the patent a long time ago.

I have learned (somewhat the hard way) that THIS is the most important element dealing with TradeMark issues.

If you are aware of an infringement, and do not aggressively take action to protect YOUR trademark, than it may very well end up not being yours anymore. Not taking action effectively means you are endorsing the use.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-05-15 6:36 PM (#415577 - in reply to #415572)
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Interesting that they did not include the Jazzmaster/Jaguar body profile in the application.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-05-15 7:34 PM (#415578 - in reply to #415572)
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And this is important to me, because?
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-05-15 7:50 PM (#415579 - in reply to #415572)
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They will lose all market share, run out of money, and close the Ovation factory. :eek:
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MWoody
Posted 2009-05-15 8:18 PM (#415580 - in reply to #415572)
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Hey Seesquare - We can start selling the hand-laid guitar bowled canoe paddles now!
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2009-05-15 9:01 PM (#415581 - in reply to #415572)
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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:

If you are aware of an infringement, and do not aggressively take action to protect YOUR trademark, than it may very well end up not being yours anymore. Not taking action effectively means you are endorsing the use. [/QB]
A great example of this is when Anheuser-Busch successfully sued Budvar over territorial use of the brand name Budweisser, despite the fact that Budvar had been brewing it and using the name since the mid 1500's.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-05-15 10:24 PM (#415582 - in reply to #415572)
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So... If you make a 'strat' body, but it is a half-inch longer/shorter, thick/thinner, wider/slimmer, it is Not a strat body... Right?

I mean, you can trademark your pickguard shape, but you cannot trademark three single pickups?

You cannot really trademark the five-way switch. Everybody uses that...

And unless you have a Tele body the exact same measurements... You cannot trademark a single cutaway shape. I think Les Paul had that first anyway.

[I'm just babbling, cuz the court obviously agreed with me... Maybe for different reasons tho']

OH WOW! I just realized that I cannot laugh at Fender's misfortunes, like I instinctively want to do...
Cuz what happens to Fender now happens to Ovation! :eek:
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-05-15 11:00 PM (#415583 - in reply to #415572)
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Well so far, Woody's OK...
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an4340
Posted 2009-05-15 11:31 PM (#415584 - in reply to #415572)
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just wanted to keep tabs on the new owner.
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