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| I just wanted to let people know that Jackson Browne will be on Soundstage tonight at 8:00 pm on PBS.
I wanted to see him when he comes here in July, but maybe I'll watch this. That way, I can save the $50 I was going to spend to see him when he comes here in July. I am so cheap! :D
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Location: Michigan | Thanks for the heads up. Since my debacle with my tickets for the summer did not work out...
http://www.ovationfanclub.com/cgi-bin/ubb/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=ge...
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| He's going to be doing stuff from his new CD "Time the Conqueror". Previews of the show look really good, so I'm excited about tonight.
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Location: Utica, NY | This has been running on my local cable system for over a week in hi def and I was initially very excited about seeing it. Until I saw it. The "Running on Empty" man may finally be. I won't say more until you all see it but you might be glad the ticket thing didn't work out. |
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by nervous:
This has been running on my local cable system for over a week in hi def and I was initially very excited about seeing it. Until I saw it. The "Running on Empty" man may finally be. I won't say more until you all see it but you might be glad the ticket thing didn't work out. Play the old stuff! Even the Simpsons did not want to hear the stuff from his new album :)
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Location: nashville | I saw JB at the Ryman about 18 mo. ago. just him a piano and about 2 dozen guitars on stage.
No set list just people shooting out songs and he would pick one. Me and 2 others hung around the tour bus after the show for an autograph he didnt sign anything. When I presented my guitar strap and sharpe he said. "No I dont do that".
So lets just say there is one less Jackson Browne fan, at least when I comes to me buying any new album or concert ticket.
Same Goes for Peter Frampton almost the exact story. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | James,
You should've flashed your t!@s. I bet you woulda got an autograph then.
When he said no, you shoulda asked him how to get to carnegie hall? And no matter what he said, shout out "doufis." |
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by james37214:
I saw JB at the Ryman about 18 mo. ago. just him a piano and about 2 dozen guitars on stage.
No set list just people shooting out songs and he would pick one. Me and 2 others hung around the tour bus after the show for an autograph he didnt sign anything. When I presented my guitar strap and sharpe he said. "No I dont do that".
So lets just say there is one less Jackson Browne fan, at least when I comes to me buying any new album or concert ticket.
Same Goes for Peter Frampton almost the exact story. At least he did not Daryl Hannah you. |
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| Originally posted by twistedlim:
Originally posted by james37214:
I saw JB at the Ryman about 18 mo. ago. just him a piano and about 2 dozen guitars on stage.
No set list just people shooting out songs and he would pick one. Me and 2 others hung around the tour bus after the show for an autograph he didnt sign anything. When I presented my guitar strap and sharpe he said. "No I dont do that".
So lets just say there is one less Jackson Browne fan, at least when I comes to me buying any new album or concert ticket.
Same Goes for Peter Frampton almost the exact story. At least he did not Daryl Hannah you.
You can't always believe everything you read on the internet, though.
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Location: los angeles | Interesting cite Michelle. At that time, I had really only heard the rumors which seem to have persisted to this day. |
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| Originally posted by enders UKII:
Interesting cite Michelle. At that time, I had really only heard the rumors which seem to have persisted to this day. You're welcome. I thought the article was interesting too. The letter he wrote to one of Darryl's relatives was interesting.
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Location: Utica, NY | So, did anybody watch? I was looking forward to a review to see if anyone experienced the performance in the same way that I did. |
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| Originally posted by nervous:
So, did anybody watch? I was looking forward to a review to see if anyone experienced the performance in the same way that I did. Hi Nervous:
Yes, I did watch it. I've never been to a Jackson Browne concert, so I don't have any thing to refer to, but I thought that most of the show was kind of low key.
He didn't do a lot of his hits, but then again I didn't really expect him to as he was promoting his new CD.
I had to turn the sound down on "Culver Moon" when his guitar player was doing the solo. His guitar was a little to "screetchy" for my liking; otherwise his playing was really good.
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Location: Utica, NY | I had never seen him live before either. And, having been a fan since high school I was thrilled for a chance to watch in hi-def. But what immediately struck me was just how lifeless he was. He looked like a glassy-eyed old man and seemed almost disinterested. That permeated the whole show. When he took the sunglasses off he just had that not-quite-with-us appearance. Almost looking feeble or in poor health. He can no longer vocally hit the signature parts of his songs, which is understandable, but nonetheless disappointing. Sadly, nothing in that show made me want to either finish watching it or watch it a second time, even though I tried. He just seemed detached or bored, kind of blithely going through the motions. Sometimes performing is just a cash cow. |
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Location: closely held secret | How long since you were in high school? He's been doing most of those songs over and over since then. |
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
How long since you were in high school? He's been doing most of those songs over and over since then. 30+ years since I started listening in HS. To that point someone like Elvis Costello is of the same vintage and he's still banging it out. Have you seen him lately? Still giving 100% and the music's still full of life. There's joy in his performance unlike the this one. And there's plenty more of the same era. And while I know that his style tends to be more somber the whole thing was just emotionless to me. |
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Location: Tennessee | I saw Jackson Browne live a three or four years back when he opened up for TP & The Heartbreakers. Lifeless pretty much sums it up. He needs David Lindley to help him kick it up a few notches.
Elvis Costello has a new album out that is purportedly bluegrass and country. To me, it sounds like typical Elvis Costello with steel guitars and dreadnaughts. I'll try again to listen to it all the way through but I've failed the first three times I've tried. BTW, Elvis is a favorite of mine. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Saw JB & David in 1977, in Antioch, CA, outdoors, in 80-degree sunshine.... I don't wish to contaminate those memories. Thanks for the warning. |
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Location: Scotland | I don't get this at all. Jackson Browne has always been a laid-back introspective singer songwriter, his thing has never been kick-ass rock out with your cock out stuff. He tried it a couple of times and it didn't really work. He's never been big on talking to the audience, and it's never really been a "show" he just lets the songs speak for themselves. If you're not into his recent work, that's ok, but I don't understand this negativity. Apart from exceptionally well-crafted songs, extremely effective guitar playing and the fact that he's still doing it, what else do you want from a 60-year old guy who has nothing left to prove to anyone? |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Point taken. |
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Location: SoCal | Willie Nelson's in his late 70's, still tours, still does new stuff and is still going strong. Doesn't really sing any more, but he's still going strong. Helluva a good example to everybody else... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I've had JB's live CD's on rotation in my pickup for months now...still sounds great to me...
Lets see: we've ditched MJ and now JB...one's dead and the other might as well be according to many of the posts...so who's next? Give me a break...are we that bored?
If I don't like em I don't support em...If I don't want to see something, I turn off the TV...no problem...
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
I saw Jackson Browne live a three or four years back when he opened up for TP & The Heartbreakers. Lifeless pretty much sums it up. He needs David Lindley to help him kick it up a few notches.
Elvis Costello has a new album out that is purportedly bluegrass and country. To me, it sounds like typical Elvis Costello with steel guitars and dreadnaughts. I'll try again to listen to it all the way through but I've failed the first three times I've tried. BTW, Elvis is a favorite of mine. I could not agree more with your post. Saw the same show and could not help but think it was Jackson Browne "lite". What a pitty for him to have to warm up for Petty and laud and thank him for being included in the tour. You think James Taylor or Jimmy Buffett would have gone to that place? Me thinks not. Sad to see, but he has to start playing to his audience or fade into the past. Not that fading out is a bad thing, he has nothing to prove. But if he wants to keep preforming he will have to play what folks want to hear. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by twistedlim:
But if he wants to keep preforming he will have to play what folks want to hear. Absolute garbage. So, are you suggesting that an artist is supposed to pander to a bunch of people who remember a few hits but probably couldn't name an album track and probably haven't bought a record since the early 80's? I don't think so.
Artists who regularly release new material tour to promote that new material. They will usually play a (small) handful of hits, but that is not the purpose. The purpose is to promote and sell new product, not rest on the laurels of back-catalog. If you want that go see the Stones, or some other lame-ass act who have turned into their own tribute band.
From the JB gigs I've been to in the UK over the last 10 years, all of which were sold out, and all of which were full of very happy people at the end of the show, I'm pretty sure he doesn't need to trot out the hits just to keep a few whiners happy. And if the sales of both volumes of his "Solo Acoustic" albums are any indication, there's a whole lot of people out there who don't mind lifeless Jackson Browne "Lite"
The thing is, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so the best thing to do is please yourself. That's been my philosphy to making music for a long time, and I'm never short of work. Now I'm not by any means comparing myself to the likes of Jackson Browne, I'm just saying that when I'm out playing live there's going to be a certain percentage of the audience who don't like or don't get it, and I really couldn't care less. It's those that do like it who matter. |
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Location: SoCal | Very well said, Paul! |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Originally posted by twistedlim:
But if he wants to keep preforming he will have to play what folks want to hear. The thing is, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so the best thing to do is please yourself.
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| Here is a comparison of Jackson's set list for the Soundstage concert vs. what made it to the broadcast:
http://www.pbs.org/wttw/soundstage/jbrowne/setlist.html
If you click on video, you'll get "Culver Moon".
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Location: Michigan | Umm I don't know about garbage Paul. The "lite" term was in reference to his mini set prior to the BIG show from Petty. Was this the only way he could play to a big house? It was sad to see him pandering to Petty and thanking him for letting him be a part of his show. Heck, Jackson Browne should be THE SHOW.
In reference to the success of the Solo Acoustic albums...ummm quite a few hits from the past on there I believe?
I have nothing against artist bringing out new stuff, hey that is what they have been doing their whole life, but as an entertainer you also have to balance what people expect in a show. I saw Folgelberg when he was trotting out a new album. He came out in a white jumpsuit rocking all over the stage for 50 minutes with stuff nobody had heard. He then sat down and did a medly of his past acoustic hits. A MEDLEY?
People come to shows to be entertained and like it or not they expect to hear the music they play on their ipods or in CDs in their car. Anyway its just my opinion but I don't think it is garbage.
Lame ass tribute band? Come on, is that what you think of Taylor and Buffett, The Greatful Dead? They were are entertainers who enjoy the show. In James Taylors interview with Elvis Costello he said he still gets that overwhelming feeling of excitement before every show. I have to believe that is why he still does it.
As James Taylor said:
" Summer like summer coming back every year, got your baby, got your blanket got your bucket of beer...pay good money to hear Fire and Rain again and again and again...that's why I'm here".
Moody, it does sound like a "Garden Party" :) |
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Location: Scotland | I did not mention Buffet or Taylor, I referred to the Stones as just one example a lame-ass tribute band. There are ton of others currently doing the rounds who haven't produced work of any merit for at least 20 years. Record sales are in the toilet, so live shows are the alternative. Unfortunately nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
As for audiences expecting performers to "give them what they want", that may be so, but if an artist doesn't give it to them that is their preogative, and you can whine if you like but it won't change anything, because as much as fans like to think they "own" a performer, they clearly do not. It's kinda like going into someones workplace and telling them how they should be doing their job.
But, you're obviously an expert, so you must be right and the artists who don't conduct their shows in exactly the manner you would prefer, must be wrong. |
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Location: Michigan | Woa Paul. Take it easy. I'm no expert, not even a performer. I just buy tickets to shows. No whining here. If they don't put on the show I want to see I don't go back. Simple as that. |
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Artists who regularly release new material tour to promote that new material. They will usually play a (small) handful of hits, but that is not the purpose. The purpose is to promote and sell new product, not rest on the laurels of back-catalog. If you want that go see the Stones, or some other lame-ass act who have turned into their own tribute band.
+1 on that. The Sebastian/Grisman show I went to last year was to support their then new CD. They did do a small amount of Lovin' Spoonful/John Sebastian stuff, but it was later in the show.
IMHO, it was a nice balance between old and new.
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
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As for audiences expecting performers to "give them what they want", that may be so, but if an artist doesn't give it to them that is their preogative, and you can whine if you like but it won't change anything, because as much as fans like to think they "own" a performer, they clearly do not. It's kinda like going into someones workplace and telling them how they should be doing their job.
I'm a big Rush fan and have seen nearly every every tour tour since 1981. They toured last year in support of a new album and played 9 songs from it (including 3 instrumentals). I didn't mind because I love their new material, but I did hear quite a bit of whining about it. It wasn't enough that the balance of their 3 hour show was packed with the "classic" stuff.
There are bands out there doing the "nostalgia" thing and I think that is fine. I've seen a few of them (Journey, Def Leppard, James Taylor, CSN) and they put on very good shows playing pretty much nothing but the old stuff. As long as they put on a good show, I have no problem with it.
If you are considering buying tickets to a show, it's easy enough to find out what type of material the artist is doing. A few years back, I skipped Neil Young's tour because he was doing nearly all new material which I didn't care for. A quick trip to Google is all it takes. |
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Location: Tennessee | My comment about Jackson Browne is that when I saw him there didn't seem to be any passion. He was just going through the motions. When I saw him earlier in his career, he used to interact with the other musicians on stage (ie Lindley) so that everyone seemed to be drawn in ... but there was none of that. Head down staring at the piano keys. Standing in front of a mike with eyes closed and a guitar. Sensitive singer songwriter? Maybe so, but I saw it as a bored dude at work with a job that he wasn't happy doing. That's my beef. It had nothing to do with the material. I am not a fan of nostalgia anyway. |
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
My comment about Jackson Browne is that when I saw him there didn't seem to be any passion. He was just going through the motions. When I saw him earlier in his career, he used to interact with the other musicians on stage (ie Lindley) so that everyone seemed to be drawn in ... but there was none of that. Head down staring at the piano keys. Standing in front of a mike with eyes closed and a guitar. Sensitive singer songwriter? Maybe so, but I saw it as a bored dude at work with a job that he wasn't happy doing. That's my beef. It had nothing to do with the material. Ex-act-ly. Well said.
And, as I said earlier, I know the material well (old and new)and have always been a big fan. Still am. Just my personal critique on what I observed. I was never expecting any "rock-out-with-your-whatever-out-whatever-that-means" music. Not even an apples to apples reference to what I originally wrote. |
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Location: Scotland | OK, here's the bottom line.... All You fuckin' critics and experts, list your next shows right here, right now.........
And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement. Maybe it would be like this...
"He didn't play any of the hits"
"That's because he hasn't had any hits because he's a talentless wannabe
Some of you really make me want to puke, you have no clue whatsoever. |
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
OK, here's the bottom line.... All You fuckin' critics and experts, list your next shows right here, right now.........
And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement. Maybe it would be like this...
"He didn't play any of the hits"
"That's because he hasn't had any hits because he's a talentless wannabe
Some of you really make me want to puke, you have no clue whatsoever. Ok, Ok I get it. Yeesh. So much for callin' 'em as I see 'em. Just call me clueless.
Oh wait, you just did. See, there I go again.... :confused: |
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Location: Location Location Location | Jackson Browne doesn't phone it in. He is what he always was. I've been a fan since he came out with Saturate...1971? 1972? His songs are incredible. I listen with an envy of someone who will never write a song as good. He was that good when he was 21. At 61, he's no better, and no worse.
His voice is as strong and evocative as ever. His band is one of the tightest I've ever seen, and he's an integral part of that band
Was that the Soundstage show I saw? I don't know. All I know is, I was glued to the screen from the first song to the last.
You either like him or you don't. I like him. |
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Location: Lake Hiawatha, New Jersey | "And then those of us who are able will come out and pass judgement."
It's a deal Paul, but I would have to drag your arse up to play some "lap steel" .... |
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Jackson Browne on Soundstage