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Location: Vernon CT | You know, I NEVER got it. How people can be so emotionally involved in a Celebrities life or death. Crying, sobbing, your personal "life" basically stopping! Here is one definition of the word "Adoration": "primarily an act of homage or WORSHIP". Why?? I have a funny feeling this will raise some emotional responses from some of you. :rolleyes: ;) |
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| Rich, I don't get it either.
Would I be sad if one of my favorite guitar players passed away? Sure I would, but it wouldn't stop my life. I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion, but what I worship is definitely of this world. ;)
I was 13 years old when I happened to be with my cousin the day she learned that Elvis died. I remember her crying and playing his records all day. She is so in love with Elvis that she has been to Graceland several times, along with even going to see Elvis impersonators.
I can understand why she would love Elvis, as he brought forth a lot of good music. But what I don't get is planning your life around a celebrity's life.
Another thing I noticed yesterday is that the radio station I was listening to broke in with a special report that Farrah died.
I remember a time when the term "special report" meant something of national importance such as Apollo landings, the death (or assasination attempt) of a president, not the death of a celebrity.
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| Don't get it and never will. I turned on the TV this morning to get a weather update (will I need my umbrella for a frog-drowner afternoon T-storm?) and was bombarded with the MJ thing. Mind-numbing - but maybe that's the point; gotta distract people from issues of real importance. If we actually thought about what was happening to us on a global scale we might make Iran look like an afternoon tea.
But celebrity worship sure isn't unique to our culture. Just look at international football (soccer) players, or Bollywood stars. I guess pathetic people with no lives of their own have to live vicariously through others.
Alright, enough ranting. So who's ready to give a full review of the OFC II? |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | So who's ready to give a full review of the OFC II? I went in caring nothing about it, actually wanting to hate it was the term I think I told Crimson. However, upon seeing it in person I was blown away with its looks. I didn't get a chance to play it that long, but just couldn't get over how lightweight it is. It is loud, and has great sustain. I thinks it's just an excellent example of a high tech Adamas and although I wanted to commit to buying one on the spot, I differed to SWMBO. When she saw pictures of it on Monday, there was no hesitation, she said "You call Al right now or I will!!!"
Really, the price is not as bad as you think, actually very reasonable! |
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| gotta distract people from issues of real importance. If we actually thought about what was happening to us on a global scale we might make Iran look like an afternoon tea.
+1
I turned on the radio this morning, expecting to hear about the latest news on the circus in town called the NYS legislature, but instead I was treated to a show dedicated to MJ.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by G8r:
I guess pathetic people with no lives of their own have to live vicariously through others.
Alright, enough ranting. So who's ready to give a full review of the OFC II? That's why I'm here...wishing my wife would tell me to "call Al" like Tim's did.
I hate funerals and avoid them, but I've had to attend way too many lately. I about puked when some radio news guy said this morning that watching the people hanging around the UCLA Medical Center was one of the most touching experiences of his life. And I thought I didn't have a life. Touch this, buddy. |
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Location: Vernon CT | I've never been a M.Jackson fan now all I hear on the radio and TV is his Music!!!! I'm Sooooo sick of this already! :mad: :rolleyes: |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Let me offer some perspective. Forget the word Celebrity for a moment..
If one person is simply admired by 100 people, then a few will likely be moved to tears, others will be sad. If they all got in a room, the feeling would be somber.
If one person is admired by a few 1000 people, then that room will be a bit more somber, but likley there will be enough sadness to move a few people to tears that otherwise would have just been sad.
Now take a person that regardless of the opinion in the USA is admired by Millions. The sadness becomes a bit infectious...
Now for the ultimate twist.. The websites that contain any MJ information, including the OFC believe it or not, will likely see more revenue from Google ads these few and upcoming days than the entire rest of the year total.
Sites like E!, TMZ, facebook, myspace, are garnering record traffic which = record income. Can you really fault them in this economy. Well, in a way on some moral level maybe, but then again... I'm sure there are news desks and photographers, and hot dog stands ALL saying "if it wasn't for this terrible event, I'd be out of work".. and THAT my friends is Celeb-reality.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I thought this was about Chinese Ovations...
But I will jump in anyway.
My Mom used to get the "Star" every week and tell me about celebrity's love lives. When I see an actor/actress on the screen and they are a Good actor, or the part is good or whatever, That Is Great. I really do not care what those people do when they aren't working. If a poor person gets Parkinson's Disease (or cancer, or AIDS, or the flu) it is just as tragic for them and their family as it is for a Rich person... Except that they cannot afford treatment!
I remember my prison buddy telling me that Harry Chapin died... He had to read it in the newspaper, cuz they certainly didn't mention it on my Radio.
And none of the Baltimore/Washington radio stations even dedicated an hour to his music.
So I guess only certain people rate this kind of overblown attention.
Also I want to Thank the OFC members who Do Mention the passing of musicians who are not "Celebrities"...
Cuz without y'all, alot of these people would get No mention in the current media, so I wouldn't know. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think the reason that some of us are effected is that certain celebrity deaths bring back memories of how those peoples careers meshed in the background fabric of our lives. Hopefully it brings back good memories, but it can also brings in to focus just how fragile the whole damn thing is.
I was VERY effected by the passing of Johnny Carson. Why? I didn't know him, never met him etc. But his passing brought floods of memories. He was the background while I rocked my children to sleep 20 years ago. He was wise cracking with Ed and Doc while I got laid on the couch as a teenager. He was very much part of the background fabric of my life. Same for Lennon. Mickey Mantle. Ronald Reagan.
Many of the others that loosely get lumped into the "celeb" category, I just consider "fly bys". Perhaps they are/were talanted or popular but never really intersected by memory bank. Michael Jackson is in this category. Cobain, Eastwood, Fred Mercury, Hendrix. No disrespect but they really don't choke me up.
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Location: Scotland | Well said Dave. On a slightly more contentious note, but still very much on the subject of celebrity adoration, it seems to me right now that anybody who wasn't the biggest pop star on the planet (or a Catholic Priest) would not only be vilified by their peers for their predilictions, but also be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Strange how a billion-selling album or two can change perception. |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | Some how I thought this post was gonna be about be about a member adoring his new celebrity guitar.........silly me |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Paul, that is a widespread phenomena. It is hard for people to hold two concepts in their head at the same time when they appear to be contradictory. A lot of incest victims have the dilemma of the perpetrator either being the person who loves them and cares for them, OR someone who hurt them and caused them incredible grief. The reality is both, but that is difficult to achieve, so they tend to go one way (denial, he didn't mean to hurt me) or the other (he's a monster who should be locked away).
It was always easier for me to be worried by all the smoke around MJ's activities because I didn't care for his music at all. And there was a lot of smoke! |
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Location: Scotland | It's not hard for me to grasp that concept, and excuse me if I appear elitist, but rational, intelligent, educated human beings should be above that. Shit, even idiots should know the difference. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | I think you have to know a little bit about Richard to understand where he is coming from.
There is good and bad adoration. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | In his line of work he probably sees the bad. |
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Location: Scotland | I know, my wife works in a similar field, I was just being a dick for the sake of it. Pretty childish really. |
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Location: Reisterstown, Maryland | Well, I'm the 3rd silly one thinking this was a overseas made Celibrity. But I guess I throw in:
I've like (or even adored when I was a young teen) celebs but they are people 1st.
Reality came when "OH no MJ and OJ couldn't have done it cause they's 'brothers'and I believed they would get fair trials. Neither man got a fair trial no matter that they were aquitted. 'Not Guilty' is far different than an aquittal. I belived that somehow the innocent would find justice. They didn't, the country didn't and only GOD knows where the truths lay.
This is sad but on so many levels for so many people.
Anita
And everyone I mean no disrespect to anyone. Being a retired cop I see trials in a different light |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Originally posted by ladylaw:
Well, I'm the 3rd silly one thinking this was a overseas made Celibrity. But I guess I throw in:
I've like (or even adored when I was a young teen) celebs but they are people 1st.
Reality came when "OH no MJ and OJ couldn't have done it cause they's 'brothers'and I believed they would get fair trials. Neither man got a fair trial no matter that they were aquitted. 'Not Guilty' is far different than an aquittal. I belived that somehow the innocent would find justice. They didn't, the country didn't and only GOD knows where the truths lay.
This is sad but on so many levels for so many people.
Anita
And everyone I mean no disrespect to anyone. Being a retired cop I see trials in a different light LadyLaw , .. You `ve GAINED my RESPECT ..
Vic
.. Pleased to meet cha`.. How d` ye` do .. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by BT717:
I've never been a M.Jackson fan now all I hear on the radio and TV is his Music!!!! I'm Sooooo sick of this already! :mad: :rolleyes: ditto that....
My first though was at least no more kids will be hurt by him.
I worked with abused kids.
When saw what Neverland was being built 1989 or so,
he building child molester dream house.
I expected there would molestions.
He seemed to have no sexual interest in adult females or males. He seemed to like little boys too much. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Originally posted by BT717:
I've never been a M.Jackson fan now all I hear on the radio and TV is his Music!!!! I'm Sooooo sick of this already! :mad: :rolleyes: ditto that....
My first though was at least no more kids will be hurt by him.
I worked with abused kids.
When saw what Neverland was being built 1989 or so,
he building child molester dream house.
I expected there would molestions.
He seemed to have no sexual interest in adult females or males. He seemed to like little boys too much. |
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| Entertainers in our culture have always been compensated way out of proportion to their actual contribution, they're treated like gods and their opinions on things in which they have no expertise are given serious weight. They then have the temerity to complain about limitations on their privacy.
When one of them dies, the world is supposed to stop? Excuse me, but I've got work to do. |
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| Originally posted by Losov:
Entertainers in our culture have always been compensated way out of proportion to their actual contribution, they're treated like gods and their opinions on things in which they have no expertise are given serious weight. They then have the temerity to complain about limitations on their privacy.
When one of them dies, the world is supposed to stop? Excuse me, but I've got work to do. +1
On TV today, there was a description that went something like this: "Hundreds of people came and placed flowers at a shrine for Michael Jackson".
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I guess I've just never really thought of a Celebrity as anything more than someone who does their job of "Entertainment" or "Advertising" really well.
As far as MJ... as I said earlier.. unless you were there, you, me and everyone else only knows what the media was and is paid to tell us. WHy all the MJ tributes??? They are making MILLIONS of dollars (advertising) at a time when they need it the most. If you don't like it... may I suggest NETFlix.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | And I'll add, as he wasn't a musician, but this is about Celebrity.. Billy Mays died yesterday too. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | by Mr. Ovation:
I guess I've just never really thought of a Celebrity as anything more than someone who does their job of "Entertainment" or "Advertising" really well. Except to be a Celebrity you do not have to be especially good at what you do, or do anything...
[Paris Hilton comes immediately to mind] |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I was in a discussion with a half dozen people last night and of course MJ comes up and they're going on and on abut all kinds of stuff. And was like I could care less - like everyone was talking about a movie that I hadn't seen. This freak jobs life and his death has absolutely no effect on me. Yes, he introduced dance to pop music and videos. Well done. Maybe if not for him there never would have been a Britney or Justin. Oh the harrrrar. I was accused of being racist. Now that's funny. How can you be a racist for not giving a damn about a guy like MJ who spent the better part of his adult life thumbing what's left of his nose at blacks and doing everything he could to turn himself white. That's good. |
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