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Location: Cincinnati | I'm just posting this even though the guitar is on its way to Iraq. OFC member Michael Winters is stationed in Iraq and was looking for a beater to buy because of the harsh conditions where he's stationed. After talking to several other members we decided that a Composite Acoustics guitar was the best choice. As it ends up Michael will be sharing the guitar with at least four other soldiers. Because of the time it takes to send the guitar to Iraq, we wanted to get it shipped as quickly as possible. Mike, MusicMishka, contacted some people about donations, but we never posted anything about it. SPC. Winters and his brothers will be receiving a new CA OX in the next few weeks. Anyone wanting to make a donation can send it to me. My PayPal account is jwilliams@cohenbrothersinc.com Please mark it as a gift so that there are no fees charged. If you prefer to send a check please PM me for my address. Thanks. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I want to add my thanks for all who have had a hand in this project. Michael told me that this is a great way to reduce the stress of being stationed in a combat situation but because there was only one guitar in the entire company and the numbers of soldiers who wanted to play it, it was avalible only once a month. Can you imagine not being able to play a guitar but once a month? Jack and I discussed the situation, and he had a line to get the CA. So, with a little help from our friends, Michael and his fellow soldiers will be able to enjoy a very cool, tough guitar during th times they are trying to find a way to relax...
He has promised to post pictures as soon as he is able to.
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Location: Cincinnati | I just want to say thanks to Michael Stone of MacNichol Guitars. Besides all of the info he gave to help with the final decision, Michael handled the shipping and customs forms. He also donated accessories including 6 sets of strings. We had ordered an acoustic OX but when Michael discovered that he didn't have one in stock, he shipped the A/E model at no additional cost. |
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Location: Indiana | Way to go Michael!
Nice last name too...
Originally posted by kotadawg:
I just want to say thanks to Michael Stone of MacNichol Guitars. Besides all of the info he gave to help with the final decision, Michael handled the shipping and customs forms. He also donated accessories including 6 sets of strings. We had ordered an acoustic OX but when Michael discovered that he didn't have one in stock, he shipped the A/E model at no additional cost. |
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Location: Fernandina Beach | What a wonderful thing you guys are doing
The guys over in Iraq and Afganistan really need support like ths to get them through
We can never do enought to thank them !!
Kudos to you for making this happen
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Location: South of most, North of few | I would like to thank Kotadawg for putting this thing together. He contacted a very few people, but put the money up himself to get this done with no guarantee of reimbursement. I'm sure he would appreciate any donations sent. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
I would like to thank Kotadawg for putting this thing together. He contacted a very few people, but put the money up himself to get this done with no guarantee of reimbursement. I'm sure he would appreciate any donations sent. Thanks, Jim. The most important thing to me was to get a guitar to our military brothers. |
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | I will be posting a "Formal" THANK YOU post when the guitar arrives but I just want to say how grateful I am to everybody involved in this.
All I wanted to do was buy a beater since I couldn't bring my guitar over and it just snow-balled.
This was so very unexpected and as I've told Mike and Jack, I certainly don't deserve something like this. I accept it more on behalf of my buddies who will get to play and enjoy it too.
The kind words and support you have all shown is more than a gift enough, we just can't say thank you enough. You make us proud and happy that we have another Family back home |
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Location: Cincinnati | As a follow up to Michael's post, he would like to send cards to everyone that contributed to the guitar. I know some of you have said you prefer to remain anonymous. But if you aren't worried about Michael stalking you when he returns to the states, please forward me your mailing address and I will forward it to Michael. Thanks. |
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Location: SoCal | Has anybody thought about strings for this guitar? 3-4 sets of Elixirs would be a good thing..... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by kotadawg:
He also donated accessories including 6 sets of strings. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Jack, what a great thing you've done!!! |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by BT717:
Jack, what a great thing you've done!!! Thanks, Bob. But this was an OFC project, not mine. Mike, MusicMishka, put in a lot of time and effort into this too. I asked Michael to name the guitar "The OFC Ox" and he agreed and added "OIF", "Operation Iraqi Freedom", so the formal name is "The OFC Ox-OIF". I'll just refer to it as "The Ox". Hopefully it lives up to its name because it's going to get a workout when it gets to Iraq. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by kotadawg:
Originally posted by BT717:
Jack, what a great thing you've done!!! Thanks, Bob. But this was an OFC project, not mine. Mike, MusicMishka, put in a lot of time and effort into this too. I asked Michael to name the guitar "The OFC Ox" and he agreed and added "OIF", "Operation Iraqi Freedom", so the formal name is "The OFC Ox-OIF". I'll just refer to it as "The Ox". Hopefully it lives up to its name because it's going to get a workout when it gets to Iraq. |
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Location: Tennessee | Sorry, but this has been gnawing at me and I just have to say it ...
No one, and I mean no one, supports getting guitars to servicemen and women serving, more than I do. I personally have sent multiple guitars to Iraq. I have direct first hand knowledge of what it means to them over there. I know the conditions are harsh over there ... from first hand reports. And I've seen with my own eyes what happens to guitars that are in the war zone. So I support the effort to send the guitar. Thanks to all who contributed and thought about helping out a brother. I commend you. Really.
But this is not an OFC project. This is not an OFC guitar. If it was an OFC guitar, it would have been a fucking OVATION guitar. Maybe an Adamas. No one will ever convince me that an Adamas with a K-Bar neck would not survive over there as well as a CA or any other brand of guitar. So why send a different brand of guitar on behalf of the OFC? You could have sent any guitar you chose if it was not under the guise of the OFC. And I would have no argument. But you sent it from THE OVATION FAN CLUB. It's like Ford sending their loyal customer a Camaro because they want them to have a nice sporty coupe. SPC Winters is a long time Ovation guy. He has owned a 68 Balladeer since new. He has a custom-made Custom Legend. And when the chance arises to send a guitar that will garner kudos from all, and generate a ton of goodwill and PR, and influence a whole bunch of people ... "The OVATION FAN CLUB" sends a high-end competing brand of guitar. Why? Because an Ovation isn't good enough? And then you all have the balls to call it an OFC guitar?
I've been around here a long time. This takes the cake. You've fucking kicked a whole bunch of people in the teeth, especially people like Al, the co-founder of the Ovation FAN Club and the #1 Adamas dealer in the world ... who could have helped out this project instead of THE OFC giving their money to another dealer (no beef Mr. Stone ... you are a class act from what I know ... and thank you for your good deed and generosity). And maybe CWK2 doesn't really give a shit that you dissed him, but I care because he's done so much for everyone and everything here and perhaps deep down he's just a bit taken aback. And a whole bunch of other people here too, including the factory guys who read this board and do so fucking much for us without ever revealing themselves ... they are just happy to know people love their guitars and appreciate their workmanship. We can wax poetic about how indestructible our Ovation guitars are, and how they can go anywhere and do anything while staying in tune, blah blah blah. But if we want to drop a grand on a guitar to send to someone as a special gift? A guitar from the competing brand. Shit. And then tell the whole fucking armed services in Mosul this is from The OVATION FAN CLUB? With fans like these ... well, I just hope we all stand behind our soldiers more than we stand behind the guitars we profess to love and cherish.
Like I said before, I really do appreciate the gesture you all made. And the support you are showing for those, including my children and many friends, who are serving in a bad place. I commend all of your for your generosity. Really. Your hearts are definitely in the right place. But you've got your heads up your asses.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Well Said, Bobbo! Thank You.
[I was thinking that, but didn't feel qualified to go there.
For close to a thousand bucks y'all coulda got an Adamas... Sometimes for less] |
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Location: NJ | Bravissimo Bobbissimo!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I gotta admit, I scanned this thread a few times and completely missed the fact that it was NOT an ovation guitar.
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Sorry, but this has been gnawing at me and I just have to say it Thanks for expressing those thoughts. I was feeling the same way but felt I was too "new" to criticize. I will gladly donate towards the purchase of Ovations to send to troops stationed overseas if you are planning on sending any additional ones in the future. |
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Location: big island | i thought it odd that a guitar rather than an Ovation was being sent but i was not about to crash the party of good intentions. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | A non-Ovation guitar was paid for by OFC members and sent to an OFC member. Someone determined that a different brand would be the most suitable and durable guitar to send to Iraq. Their choice and my support...
Now picture an Adamas going over... "Oh my gawd, not an Adamas!!! What are ya, crazy?!?".
Here we have a win-win situation being flipped over to a lose-lose moan & groan. Man, what's up with that? Don't like the idea, then don't contribute.
No one has been kicked in the teeth; up until now! Are we now saying that members can't post other gits in their sig lines? Or on the 'For Sale' forum in fear of kicking/bashing Ovations, Al and Miles?
Come on now... I've sent the 'O'raqi to Iraq and aided in getting other gits/equipment over there. Geeze, what's more important; being brand selective or putting 'happiness' into our warriors hands?
My bottom line is that I care more for our armed forces than I do about which guitar is selected to send to 'em!
BTW, I stuck my head up my azz to make sure my heart was where it's suppose to be! All is well... <spitting teeth> |
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Location: Indiana | I was PM'd that a decent O was being pursued for this cause. I contributed.
I was not privy to how it went from that to the CA, but I was PM'd what had been purchased in the end. Wouldn't have crossed my mind to ask for my money back.
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I gotta admit, I scanned this thread a few times and completely missed the fact that it was NOT an ovation guitar.
Not sure what to think. It was mentioned in the first post.
Interesting that it's ok for members, including CWK2 to talk about their Collings, Martins, Gibsons and other guitars and they don't get dissed. Some of these guys don't even own Ovations. And if you read SPC. Winters first post when he was looking for a guitar, you would know that the Mothership told him the Ovation wouldn't survive where he was stationed. So I chose what I thought was the best guitar for the situation. Others from the forum chose to contribute so I thought it would be nice to name it after the forum. If Miles and Al have a problem with it I'm sure they would contact me. I chose to help some soldiers. I owe no apology for what I have done. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Here we go again!
:rolleyes: :(
To Jack and those that supported this, I commend you.
Iffy, well said!
To those that feel slighted or wronged, come on! :confused: :rolleyes:
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Location: South of most, North of few | I knew it was a CA, it didn't bother me to contribute. I understand Bob's point especially the Ford/Chevy analogy, and consider it a valid one, IF this guitar was an exclusive effort of the club as an official action. The way I see it, one of the members here who loves guitars of all types, (like most of us do) decided to help out some soldiers overseas. He took it upon himself to buy a guitar with his own money and picked the one that in his opinion would be the most indestructible. When a few other members found out, they in turn contributed to what they thought was a worthy cause. This whole thing may have had its inception on the site, but it was an individual who decided to take action, and that individual foot the bill himself. We're just trying to help out a little. I'm sure he won't get close to the purchase price of the guitar in donations.
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by kotadawg:
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I gotta admit, I scanned this thread a few times and completely missed the fact that it was NOT an ovation guitar.
It was mentioned in the first post.
I think a group of people banding together to chip in and send a guitar, ANY guitar, to our heros overseas is a commendable action and I salute you. Just think maybe calling it an "OFC Ox" guitar might be a little bit of a stretch.
I hope the guitar gets a lot of use and brings some joy to those who play it. As a non contributor I probably don't deserve an opinion on this issue so I'll just leave it at that.
As far as what we post on this forum, I think all brands of guitars are fair game. Other forums such as Taylor, Martin, and Takamine have dedicated sections to "other" brands than the name-sake. Here the admins have chosen to lump it all together, which is fine too. It is what it is, you get what you get. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
Your move. TJ,
I don't feel pissed, just surprised that an Ovation wasn't selected to represent the OFC as that is how the CA ended-up being presented.
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Location: Marlton, NJ | It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
Nice job Jack, Mike and to all who contributed. Thanks, Mike
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Hey, we could've sent an Esteban! You can't destroy something that was never any good to begin with. :D
But I agree that it doesn't matter what brand of guitar we sent. What's important is that they now have a guitar to play, and even though it's not an O, it came from generous members of the OFC. We didn't send it to promote "our" brand, we didn't send it to make O converts, we sent it to brighten the days of these brave and selfless soldiers who are over there in hellish conditions, fighting for US. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by fletcher:
Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Tell you what, since everyone's so pissed off about this, if you guys want to make an official OFC commitment to the soldiers, I'll offer up my Adamas 1681. If I can recoup half of my original price of 1200.00, I'll donate the other 600.00 and we can send it to them as an official OFC gift.
Your move. TJ,
I don't feel pissed, just surprised that an Ovation wasn't selected to represent the OFC as that is how the CA ended-up being presented.
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Location: SoCal | You know, one of the things that always irritates me about this board is that when there's a difference of opinion, people take it so damned personally. You'd think we were discussing politics. Bobbo didn't agree with what was done and expressed that opinion. Why are you people taking it as a personal attack???? Why not just say, "Hmm, ok" and move on?
I hate to agree with TANSTAAFL 'cause we all know what a cowardly rat bastard he/she is (at least that's what a number of you expressed about him/her when he/she posted an opinion on the other pseudo ning board), but he/she is right (by the way, I know who TANSTAAFL is and while this person is a cowardly rat, both of his/her parents were married. To each other).
Don't make it personal and don't take it personally. And don't act so damned childish..... |
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it's all in the family... I get tired of it with my kids and I get tired of it on the board.... |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
You know, one of the things that always irritates me about this board is that when there's a difference of opinion, people take it so damned personally. You'd think we were discussing politics. Bobbo didn't agree with what was done and expressed that opinion. Why are you people taking it as a personal attack???? Why not just say, "Hmm, ok" and move on?
I hate to agree with TANSTAAFL 'cause we all know what a cowardly rat bastard he/she is (at least that's what a number of you expressed about him/her when he/she posted an opinion on the other pseudo ning board), but he/she is right (by the way, I know who TANSTAAFL is and while this person is a cowardly rat, both of his/her parents were married. To each other).
Don't make it personal and don't take it personally. And don't act so damned childish..... Paul,
Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion, but I don't think it's necessary to attack people when you express it. I also think it's wrong to imply that specific members are insulted or hurt when those members are quite capable of expressing their own opinions. |
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Location: SoCal | Jack,
Go back and read the messages. It's easy to see that some people are a bit "bent".
And I don't think I attacked anybody. I attacked (I keep wanting to type "attached". The fingers are off --- I feel nap time coming up) the attitude that I've seen around here.
And by the way Jack, while I may also not necessarily agree with the guitar selected, what you did and what those who contributed did constitutes, IMHO, wonderfulness. Pure and simple..... |
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i don't think you've ever pulled a childish prank around here, have you paul? Moi???? Nah.... |
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First, while it is ok to talk about other brands, this in the Ovation Fan Club.
Al and I are in discussion about this but here are the talking points.
1. The Ovation Fan Club was not asked or informed about any fund raising for sending anything anywhere...
2. Based on number 1, the Ovation Fan Club name was used without permission.
3. What is the liability (if any) of taking a collection for an Ovation guitar and sending another brand. I would have asked for my money back so I could use it for it was intended.
4. Everything Stonebobbo said, but especially the last two paragraphs worth repeating.. minus a couple of well placed expletives...
"This takes the cake. You've kicked a whole bunch of people in the teeth, especially people like Al, the co-founder of the Ovation FAN Club and the #1 Adamas dealer in the world ... who could have helped out this project instead of THE OFC giving their money to another dealer (no beef Mr. Stone ... you are a class act from what I know ... and thank you for your good deed and generosity). And maybe CWK2 doesn't really give a shit that you dissed him, but I care because he's done so much for everyone and everything here and perhaps deep down he's just a bit taken aback. And a whole bunch of other people here too, including the factory guys who read this board and do so fucking much for us without ever revealing themselves ... they are just happy to know people love their guitars and appreciate their workmanship. We can wax poetic about how indestructible our Ovation guitars are, and how they can go anywhere and do anything while staying in tune, blah blah blah. But if we want to drop a grand on a guitar to send to someone as a special gift? A guitar from the competing brand. Shit. And then tell the whole fucking armed services in Mosul this is from The OVATION FAN CLUB? With fans like these ... well, I just hope we all stand behind our soldiers more than we stand behind the guitars we profess to love and cherish.
Like I said before, I really do appreciate the gesture you all made. And the support you are showing for those, including my children and many friends, who are serving in a bad place. I commend all of your for your generosity. Really. Your hearts are definitely in the right place. But you've got your heads up your asses."
My random thoughts....
While Al's cute and fuzzy face is the face of the Ovation Fan Club for the most part, I built this place and to have its name used without our permission pisses me off. Then... to while we have the #1 Adamas dealer, and OTHER dealers in the club... you send another brand, from someone else in our name...
Thanks for the nice email apologizing for "offending" me??? No sir, you did not offend me, you pissed me off. Your membership here is terminated pending possible legal action.
Sending, collecting, brand etc... don't care. That fact that the Ovation Fan Club name was used without permission... IS an issue. a BIG one. From what I can tell however, you used OFC not Ovation FanClub. I'm still not too happy about it if you haven't already guessed. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by kotadawg:
Originally posted by CrimsonLake:
It's amazing how someone could turn this of all things into a divisive issue. Who cares what kind of guitar it is and what it's called? It was a good deed - end of story.
Nice job Jack, Mike and to all who contributed. Thanks, Mike
Some people just don't get it.
You used the Ovation Fan Club name without permission.... do YOU get it?
I think the sending of a guitar is a wonderful thing... why did you put it in our name? The Ovation FanClub had NOTHING to do with it. Maybe some of its members... that's fine.. but the Ovation Fan Club did not authorize the use of it's name involved with this.. we weren't even asked. |
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Al, can we solicite to send guitars over for the troops. sure
Never was I asked was it of for people to contribute cash contributions.
never was I asked to use the OFC name to represent our group.
Don't get me wrong but it is a good thing that was done but c'mom solicite money and buy ANOTHER brand of guitar ????? this is just unbelievable to me and put the OFC on it?
sorry no way.
Let me make this very clear. NOTHING and I mean NOTHING that is an official OFC project or cause does not happen without the permission of Miles or myself.
I believe I had made myself clear about solicitations long ago. How many guitars were sent to individuals who we have never ever heard from again?
too many for me to want to count them.
Although I applaud the effort and the kindness of those who contributed I cannot feel but slighted, and offended.
In fact, I don't even know the legalities of collecting money under false intentions and what type of reprecussions it has.
In closing
the OFC name should not be used without authorization by myself or Miles.
I don't want to see OFC in a CA guitar.
Oh yeah you are right many people talk about different guitars and have discussions about them and it is not a bad thing. It only broadens horizons. But don't put Ovation Fan Club on a CA that is wrong on so many levels.
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Location: Cincinnati | Miles and Al,
My apologies. I used OFC in the name as a tribute to the members that donated. I never once implied that I was taking a collection for an Ovation brand guitar or that it was on behalf of the OFC itself. I only posted the thread after some people got word about the guitar and asked for info on making donations. I will tell SPC. Winters to not use "OFC" in referring to the guitar and to not post photos of it here. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Al, and specifically Miles,
I ask publicly as an active member of this club that I am very appreciative of it exsitance and the effort the 2 of you have put into, to please "pardon" Kotadawg and reinstate him. I truly beleive his intentions for using the OFC name was to honor the club and not to do harm. He inadvertantly used the name you 2 created in a way Miles obviously is offended by and he obviously feels remorse. NOT in his kind gesture as all off us agree happened,but in his approach.
I think WE ALL have learned from this and all hope we can move forward positively.
To Michael and your brave friends,
Please do not let what you may read dampen your spirits. We are a "family" with a common love. families fight disagree and make mistakes.
The one common positive about all this is we are ALL proud of all of you and are honored to "know" you. Thank-you for serving and protecting us all. |
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I'm at work and just dropped in to see what was going on today while I was on break.
I'm not sure what to think. I see both sides and my thoughts are;
Michael, Enjoy playing the guitar,(what ever brand),on your down time and Kick a little terrorist ass on your up time.When you get back give me a holler and we'll sit on my back porh and play some guitar and sip on a beer if it's hot or coffee if it's cold. |
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Location: closely held secret | Mike, you drink hot beer and cold coffee? Are you British? |
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Location: NJ | I did not close anyone's account.
maybe Miles did, He was way more angry than I am.
but I am going to close this thread.
as far as I am concerned this issue is over |
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