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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | This is a relevant question, sorta... Vipers and Preachers and Breadweiners have bolt-on necks.
Would You, Could You, and Should You, (ever) Glue a Bolt-on Neck?
(in a car, with a jar, full of jam, Sam I am?)
I heard/read somewhere that it would increase or improve the tone.
Also they were saying to put a piece of paper in there to facilitate getting it back apart at a later date.
Just curious... Should I be inclined to deconstruct any of my guitars.
I wasn't planning on messing with my Viper, but I did see one that might need help on evilBay.
Doubt I will get it, but I am always looking for an edyukayshun. :rolleyes: |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Gluing a bolt on... or some people just say "set neck". Ok there is a slight difference, but Ovation I think had the right idea with the little piece of newsprint.
The PF-22's took it a step further with replacing the neck bolts with dowels to insure alignment, and then gluing the necks and finishing (sanding) to look as much like one piece as possible.
I like set neck guitars, I like neck-thru even better.
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yes, at the factory they used white glue and newsprint. I've glued in some scriptures and even a pice of a Dilbert cartoon... it is the fibre that matters. |
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Location: NW Washington State | If you use Woody's scripture idea, I'd suggest Matthew 23:33.
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Location: NW Washington State | The (relatively) new eBay countdown clock is fun. Somebody just got a Viper III with what looks like a crack in the body for $302. The last bid was with 11 seconds left. Maybe I can sell them my spare Viper III body. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | I missed getting a last second bid in. I wanted it for the pickups. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | So? Does the paper make the connection more sure, or easier to get apart, or both.
Naw Steve, Psalm 66.1 or 100.1 :D
And Yeah... The Viper III was what I was looking at. I was in the lead for awhile there...
I was hoping nobody would want it cuz of the crack and that the guy sez that he hadn't tested it. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Is this is an " AXE " talk .. if so , then why care about Bolt-On VS Set-Neck .. does n`t really matter .. does it .. Strings would have more Impact !! .. as for the Edyoocashew .. yeah I like those ..
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Location: NW Washington State | How about Acts 28:3? Yikes!
But seriously folks, does the glue and newsprint cause any problems when you remove a factory-installed neck? Is it better to leave a factory neck in place if you're just experimenting? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Paul gathered a pile of brushwood and, as he put it on the fire, a viper, driven out by the heat, fastened itself on his hand."
WTG Numby!
The theory is that sound looses energy when it moves between disimilar materials (like the air in the gap between neck and body) - so a little wood fiber and white glue acts to make it one.
When you take a neck off the body you might have to give it a little force but it doesn't take much. When you glue only cover the rectangle area between the bolts. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Originally posted by MWoody:
The theory is that sound looses energy when it moves between disimilar materials (like the air in the gap between neck and body) - so a little wood fiber and white glue acts to make it one.
When you take a neck off the body you might have to give it a little force but it doesn't take much. When you glue only cover the rectangle area between the bolts. .. when the talk`s about an Axe..
P U `s and a Good Amp. will take care o` that ..
.. but have it your way ..
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yes, the vibration of the string over the Pickup is what counts but the suspension of that string - body and neck materials, fit of the bridge and nut, etc. count for something.
If not then why aren't there more White Pine solidbody guitars on the market? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | If you put paper in between the glue joint the theory is that the paper separates before the glue and it comes apart eassier. It does too. It also makes a more solid joint and better sound transference. Great idea.
Using scripture to do this? Well It's probably good use of a bible other than a dust collector, BUT Black Sabbath and other tunes like that will play out of tune.
If I bought that guitar and then took off the neck and saw that I'd be a little put off by it. Just like it pist me off when a guy doing work on one of my Nationals wrote "George Bush sucks donkey dicks" on an inside brace. I found it a year later doing some other work on the gitar.
In any case I don't want my guitars, covered, contaminated, advertising, glorifying, (You choose the word) religion or politics. Just my thoughts.
The solid bodies are yours, do what you want. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You let Cliff work on one of your Nationals? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | How did you know??
Actually it was a very well respected and nationally prominent peoson who advertises regularly for National work. It kinda suprised me. I've made sure to include him on all the forwards that bash Obamalama and all the other Dems.
Payback can be a bitch sometimes. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yup, the paper separates first... regardless of what is written on it.
For similar reasons Beal - I don't leave my High School Yearbook out for anyone to thumb through!
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Personally, after building two electric guitars, and playing lots of others, I don't think it's a good idea to glue a neck on a bolt guitar. I mean, you wouldn't bolt a set neck would you?
But ... if you use the MWoody method, I don't see a problem.
PS I'd be pissed if someone wrote some bullshit on the inside of my guitar. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by an4340:
I mean, you wouldn't bolt a set neck would you? Uh, If for some reason the 'set neck' was separated from the body... :rolleyes: |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Beal:
...BUT Black Sabbath and other tunes like that will play out of tune. :D
My UKII does Ozzy and Sabbath just fine. (mental note, keep 'em away from woody) |
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Location: Chicago | Well, if you imagine your world full of angels and devils, I suggest keeping lots of garlic around: it scares anything away and doubles as glue! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Hey, look at how many free meals Picasso got by scribbling on the napkin!
And I'm a bad tipper?
Damon, maybe the scripture was placed upside down? Seriously, the last Factory built neck I took apart had an ad for a Kubota Tractor in the newsprint. It only acts as a reminder for the one that knows its there and not as a talisman.
Anyway, I'm headed out for some sushi and then I'm going to cheer on Ichiro, catch y'all later. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Is Ichiro playing in a golf tournament? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Bass-a-bor-rall! |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Sorry for that, but can someone pls translate for me the real meaning of BFLG ? |
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Location: NW Washington State | Bottom Feeders Luthiery Guild - membership is exclusive and requires a preliminary psychological exam. I think the original idea was to buy cheap beater Ovations and restore them by any means, no matter how inelegant. Now some members (subscribers? devotees?) buy fairly nice complete guitars and make FrankenOvations out of them. Others just buy miscellaneous parts and put them in the garage.
Some believe that it stands for Bottom Feeders League of Gentlemen. Seems like an oxymoron to me.
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Thanks Steve ! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Differential semantics, Steve. I'm the "Guild", Woody's the "Gentlemen". Based on quality of product & evident skill level. And, he's more affluent, apparently.
Further, my work resells for under $200.00, Michael's certainly doesn't, & shouldn't! |
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Location: NW Washington State | Yours are pretty skillful, but maybe less conventional. :) Your marketing program doesn't seem to be designed to bring top dollar.
I'll send you a PM about a BFLG project.
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Location: Upper Left USA | So... if you have half a mind to join the BFLG you are overqualified?
See's has a lot more patients than I do. :rolleyes:
We'll work on your market strategy. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Some folks are just trying to make an old guitar play with whatever parts they can find/create.
Some are creating works of Art.
Some have a shop that would make the folks on "New Yankee Workshop" blush...
Some have a 'Leatherman' and a Hammer! |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Some folks are just trying to make an old guitar play with whatever parts they can find/create.
Some are creating works of Art.
Some have a shop that would make the folks on "New Yankee Workshop" blush...
Some have a 'Leatherman' and a Hammer! That post was a work of Art… |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Bottom Feeders Luthiery Guild ;)
AJ |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | My "marketing strategy" is to avoid SWMBO from having me committed as a profligate hoarder.
I think its the engineering & theoretical constructs that keep me strung-out. As long as the critter is reasonably presentable..... |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Fer instance, taking a Martin 12-string, unfinished neck, and converting it to a long-scale, 12-to-the-body, 6-string, on a deep-bowl body.
Why not just buy a baritone, you may ask.
Alas, you miss the point. |
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BFLG Question - Gluing Bolt-on Necks?