Early O's
marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-28 3:00 PM (#393127)
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Normally I don't post ebay link as I sure some of you have already check this out, but I do an exception for this one .
Comment appreciated :)
Riccardo
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Waskel
Posted 2009-10-28 3:10 PM (#393128 - in reply to #393127)
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Nice.
That crack on the back of the headstock looks kinda ugly, though...
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-10-28 3:27 PM (#393129 - in reply to #393127)
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That could be saved for posterity, or a wall-hanging.

It has some Real Problems though.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-10-28 3:29 PM (#393130 - in reply to #393127)
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Unusual TRC. Too bad about the headstock... Wonder if 'Mom' has a neck for that?
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G8r
Posted 2009-10-28 3:30 PM (#393131 - in reply to #393127)
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That's in Glenn Hess' back yard...
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LBJ
Posted 2009-10-28 3:53 PM (#393132 - in reply to #393127)
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i'll try to grab it.
headstock isn't THAT bad. this guitar can be saved.
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marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-28 4:07 PM (#393133 - in reply to #393127)
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I guess it's all original. For sure is a guitar to be saved.
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LBJ
Posted 2009-10-28 4:21 PM (#393134 - in reply to #393127)
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no international sales :-(
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seesquare
Posted 2009-10-28 4:33 PM (#393135 - in reply to #393127)
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I'll be very surprised if it doesn't bring serious bucks. During the last 60 seconds of bidding, I would surmise.
Somebody just piss-on-the-bushes for five-hunnerd clams, and spare us all the suspense, OK?!
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 4:38 PM (#393136 - in reply to #393127)
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The long TRC is usual on the very early models but I'm surprised by the rosette ( Early Balladeer Brochure ) .
The top seems not to be a 3 piece top, is it possible (Beal, Bob??)??

J ;)
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-10-28 5:02 PM (#393137 - in reply to #393127)
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The only time I've seen that "wheat" rosette was on the very early classical models. But I suspect this was from a time where features were shifting around while trying to find a final form....
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 5:11 PM (#393138 - in reply to #393127)
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Thank you Paul,

It is also my opinion and you expressed it a lot better than I could have done.

I'm very very very interested with this old lady and maybe I'll find a way to bring it in France.
I've got this small light in the eyes that makes me feel that I'm near to have a GAS attack... :D

J :)
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-10-28 5:17 PM (#393139 - in reply to #393127)
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The owner says his mom worked at the factory and had the guitar made for her. Could explain the rosette. Where is Glenn? He could walk over there and look at this guitar.
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G8r
Posted 2009-10-28 5:20 PM (#393140 - in reply to #393127)
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Jérôme, if Glenn doesn't chime in I'd be more than happy to pick up, pack and ship the guitar to CT (or directly to you) should you happen to buy it.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-10-28 5:25 PM (#393141 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by Jérôme:

I've got this small light in the eyes that makes me feel that I'm near to have a GAS attack... :D

J :)
Don't fight GAS, my friend. Fighting it has been known to cause cancer in lab rats. Better to give in......
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 5:32 PM (#393142 - in reply to #393127)
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G8R, thank you very much for this so kind offer!!
I'm ready to "break my piggy bank" (English translation of a French expression...) to get it!!!
This is the first I've ever seen with a so low serial number and this is the holly grail to my eyes.

Paul, I am ready to give up the fight against GAS... :D

J ;
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-10-28 6:13 PM (#393143 - in reply to #393127)
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I sent Glenn a PM. Hopefully he'll get it and be able to help you J
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-28 6:53 PM (#393144 - in reply to #393127)
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Hi guys, I'd be happy to check it out, but my car is currently out of commission and has been since coming home from surgery and Al's house for a nice meal..

but we should be back on the road again tomorrow..if my engineering and repair skills prevail(read #10 machine screw and some JB weld and duct tape if necessary) if I can't check it out, Slydog can, or he and I can both go over and give it a review... I'll contact the seller now.

looks like a clamp and glue will fix the headstock pretty cleanly.

and ser #22 with a custom rosette.... that would be a nice one to have.

we can get this done... I'll let you know when I hear back from the seller.

Regards,

Glenn
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-10-28 7:32 PM (#393145 - in reply to #393127)
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Can anyone answer Jerome's question about the apparent lack of 3 piece top? I took a better look at the pictures and it sure seems to be a 2 piece.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-10-28 8:00 PM (#393146 - in reply to #393127)
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Go Jerome: this looks like an easy fix...I'm pretty sure it has your name on it somewhere...
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marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-29 8:16 AM (#393147 - in reply to #393127)
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I'm with Paul, I guess in the early model the "standard" we all know was not yet "standardized". It's a nice-low number model to have in the stable. I recognize the same bridge pattern (stained with hidden string knobs) that was also present in my BD (sn.345), that is also 2pcs bookmatched top. I'm glad if this will go to Jerome ;) . I'll visit Paris somehow and maybe can have a chance to look at the guitar vis-à-vis :D
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 3:43 PM (#393148 - in reply to #393127)
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Hi all, just got off the phone with Walt, the son of the owner of the guitar, and also it's builder his mother who's still around picking and kicking and filled in some blanks on this one.

it is a 2 piece bookmatched top, unsure of bracing but I will be inspecting it on this Sunday.

She installed the Grover's later in it's life, and removed the Klusons, basically the story I'm getting is it was her own built-to-order guitar that she purchased from the factory as an employee, which is why it has the wheat rosette and bookmatched 2 piece instead of a 3 planker top.

the headstock crack originates from the mounting screw hole where she changed over to the Grovers, and either no pilot holes were drilled or not drilled deeply enough.

anyway, he's bringing it over to our apartment on Sunday afternoon, and I will do a full inspection/assessment and take lots more photos.

Jerome' or any other local, domestic, or International member that is lucky enough to win this one.. I will be more than happy to have it packed and shipped for you and will be VERY well packed and insured for whatever you're willing to pay.

Let the games begin.... I'm interested in seeing what this one brings.... and watching the last minute of bidding.

Good Luck!! Hope you get it Jerome!!

Glenn
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 6:37 PM (#393149 - in reply to #393127)
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Jerome' PM sent...

for those at the mothership or who used to be there back in '66,

the lady's last name is Carney, and she worked both at Bloomfield and Hartford... don't know if she was at Moosup.... she remembers Mr. Kaman Sr... and Beal...

could this be one of the very first custom-built O's?

Regards,

Glenn
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-10-29 8:48 PM (#393150 - in reply to #393127)
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Earliest balladeers, classicals and Josh Whites had zig-zag rosette. Balladeer soon changed to a white on black chainlink for a very short period of time and then finally to the more common black on white. Josh White changed to the floral inlaid pretty early on and the classical was the last to give up the zig-zag for the inlaid floral.
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 9:06 PM (#393151 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Earliest balladeers, classicals and Josh Whites had zig-zag rosette. Balladeer soon changed to a white on black chainlink for a very short period of time and then finally to the more common black on white. Josh White changed to the floral inlaid pretty early on and the classical was the last to give up the zig-zag for the inlaid floral.
another example of why this is our MOTY and his name inscribed at fret 4 on the traveling Ovation Trophy.

Thanks Dave!

Glenn
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-30 2:24 AM (#393152 - in reply to #393127)
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Thank you guys!!

I don't know what's your opinion but I think that a small trip to New Hartford would be preferable before she takes the plane to France isn't it??
It hard for me to sleep since I saw this guitar and I cross my fingers to be winner the end. :D
As I'm still building my new music room this week end, I'll make a small place for her in case...

J ;)
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Tony Calman
Posted 2009-10-30 3:55 PM (#393153 - in reply to #393127)
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Jérôme,

I wouldn't hesitate to send it the John or Kim 1st.
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-11-01 8:03 AM (#393154 - in reply to #393127)
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ATTENTION JEROME PM SENT URGENT!!!!


Jerome, you stated you would be waiting to bid on Friday....at 4 am...your time... THE AUCTION ENDS ON TUESDAY!!!!!

NOV 3rd... NOV 3rd!!!!! 15:25 PST....

current time left:

2 days 14 hours (Nov 03, 200919:15:25 PST)

I don't want you to miss this one!!!!

Walter will be here in 3 hours with the guitar for inspection and photos...

if ANYONE here can contact him
Please do so!!!

Regards,

Glenn
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-11-01 8:22 AM (#393155 - in reply to #393127)
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sorry it reads on the auction 19:15:25 PST... I edited incorrectly

IT STILL ENDS ON TUESDAY THE 3rd!!!!19:15:25 PST

Glenn
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Tony Calman
Posted 2009-11-01 12:46 PM (#393156 - in reply to #393127)
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I am one of those who would like to see Jerome have it...his love of Adamas and Ovations along with the resultant gift he has given to us (OvationTribute.com) is well known and highly appreciated.

However, realize that this is an eBay auction and the seller deserves the highest bid possible (no, I am not bidding).

There are those on the OFC that may also be seeking this guitar. And, they have the right to do so.
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-11-01 12:55 PM (#393157 - in reply to #393127)
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You're right Tony.
I've never asked for any favour on Ebay's auctions and I will not start today.
I'm ready to play the game of the auction and like we says in France: "que le meilleur gagne"!! ;)

J :)
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Posted 2009-11-01 3:18 PM (#393158 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by GHessSr:
sorry it reads on the auction 19:15:25 PST... I edited incorrectly

IT STILL ENDS ON TUESDAY THE 3rd!!!!19:15:25 PST

Glenn
19:15:25 PST on Tuesday would be early Wednesday morning in France. I think Jérôme is on top of it…
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-11-02 5:41 PM (#393159 - in reply to #393127)
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No longer for sale on eBay! :(
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WillaMuse
Posted 2009-11-03 1:32 AM (#393160 - in reply to #393127)
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So Iffy, did YOU snag her?

;)
Willa
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-11-03 10:05 AM (#393161 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by WillaMuse:
So Iffy, did YOU snag her?
Noper... Even if I had, there's no way I'd admit it here, considering the avid interest!

I would have loved to have won her via the auction! In fact, I think I was the second bidder.
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The Usual Suspects
Posted 2009-11-03 11:51 AM (#393162 - in reply to #393127)
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I love it. The unofficial, self-appointed head cheerleader for the "OFC Family" bidding against the one person besides the Kaman family who has done more to promote Ovation, who has devoted countless hours to amassing the largest collection of Ovation history and information and made it freely available to the world, going so far as to create a multimedia package which he then gave away to all here who asked for it, and who expressed a passionate desire for this particular guitar; and said cheerleader is unapologetic about trying to screw him over. I couldn't imagine better.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2009-11-03 12:13 PM (#393163 - in reply to #393127)
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TUS, you frackin' maggot, get your seabag and stand on the 'footprints'...time to ship you out.

Maybe Tim can get you time on a USCG Frigate swabbing the decks and cleaning the heads....

Course, I agree with this part: "...the one person besides the Kaman family who has done more to promote Ovation, who has devoted countless hours to amassing the largest collection of Ovation history and information and made it freely available to the world, going so far as to create a multimedia package which he then gave away to all here who asked for it,"
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-11-03 12:23 PM (#393164 - in reply to #393127)
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Yeah, this is the same "unofficial cheerleader" who has furnished quite a few guitars to members that most of us are unaware of, because this "cheerleader" never blows his own horn! This is the same "cheerleader" whose kindness and generousity are overwhelming! I know this "cheerleader" so well, I'd be willing to bet that he was trying to buy this guitar as a GIFT for someone "who has devoted countless hours to amassing the largest collection of Ovation history..."
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-11-03 12:27 PM (#393165 - in reply to #393127)
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Maybe HECTOR bought it.
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-11-03 1:58 PM (#393166 - in reply to #393127)
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I'm very embarrassed and I do not expect any special reward for what I did.
I'm not "better" than anyone else here and it's just for my pleasure that I'm working on the website.
In fact, I'm the greatest egoist on earth... :D
You all made me the greatest gift with the Adamas proto #11 project and that's more than enough for me, it's one of the nicest gift I've never expected.
I'm a member like everyone here, I'm coming to find informations about O's and to have nice contacts because this is the best place for that and that's all.

Thank you for accepting me in the "Family", it's already so great for me.
Merci

Jérôme :)
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-11-03 2:01 PM (#393167 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Maybe HECTOR bought it.
Funny Dave, I had the same thought. :D
Maybe I'm beginning to have the same humor as you??
Not sure it's good for me...

J :)
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-11-03 2:12 PM (#393168 - in reply to #393127)
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Jerome, you and I are more alike than you think.

Once you buy a Mac and start playing a Takamine the transformation will be complete.
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-11-03 2:50 PM (#393169 - in reply to #393127)
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So I'm not clear on this.... Does anyone know who won the bidding and walked away with this peice of history?
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G8r
Posted 2009-11-03 2:52 PM (#393170 - in reply to #393127)
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dbg - it's explained on the other thread .
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-11-03 2:59 PM (#393171 - in reply to #393127)
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Jérôme,

I'm truly glad you'll have another chance at it!


TUS,

Fortunate for you that the bidding data is gone. That way no one can check the eBay and OFC 'time lines' to debunk your uncalled for accusation.

Unlike you, I have nothing to apologize for regarding this topic...

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Darkbar
Posted 2009-11-03 5:07 PM (#393172 - in reply to #393127)
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Originally posted by G8r:
dbg - it's explained on the other thread .
oh........
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