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Location: Canada | I have a chance to get a 2008 Taylor 416ce LTD for about 1600 Canadian. I just got my Ovation last week but I could sell it to a very willing buyer and not lose any money on it.
I can't play the Taylor before hand, its out of town and would have to be shipped
My OV is a new 2078lx elite deep contour.
Not sure if I should do this or not. I've never played a Taylor |
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Location: on the web | You should post this question on the Taylor forum |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Newf:
I can't play the Taylor before hand, its out of town and would have to be shipped
Not sure if I should do this or not. I've never played a Taylor You should buy several Taylors before you play them...always a wise strategy. |
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Location: on the web | After giving this more thought, you should definitely sell your Ovation and get a Taylor. There is no better sounding guitar, especially plugged in, than a Taylor. Best of luck. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I have no idea how much a Canadian Dollar is worth.
And I have no idea what a Taylor 416ce LTD is worth.
But I do know that you can probably buy TWO really nice Ovations for $1600.
Or One Really Nice Adamas.
If you want to know what the general consensus might be, do a forum search for "Taylor. :p |
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Location: Canada | how do the necks compare on the two? I don't have big hands
Here in Canada, my 2078lx is usually around 1800 Canadian new. I grabbed mine from the us for about 800 us new with case.
Here in my town, your not getting an elite ovation for under 2 grand Canadian....that's why I never bought one here. A Taylor, above 3 if not 4. |
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Location: on the web | Taylors have far superior necks. As easy to play as a well set-up Strat. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | And they don't roll-up to face the Heavens when you play standing?
But don't them sharp corners hurt? |
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Location: on the web | Taylors are far superior in every respect to every other guitar. That's why you pay a premium. You always get what you pay for, correct? |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Oh Yes! ... As a matter-of-fact, we all here at the OFC are actually secretly planning to sell all our Ovation guitars and buy up as many Taylors as we can. We are absolutely sold on Taylor guitars. Oh ... and Elvis is actually alive and well, living secretly in isolation as a monk in Japan. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Newf:
how do the necks compare on the two? I don't have big hands You know what they say, "small hands,......" |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I've got 3 Taylors now and think they are great guitars. |
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Location: Vernon CT | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
I've got 3 Taylors now and think they are great guitars. (Hi, my name is Taylor Jim, and I have GAS)
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Location: Blacksburg, SC. | It seems funny to me that someone can post about a Collings here and there are 2 pages of positive comments, yet anytime a Taylor is mentioned, (which I think are great guitars also) it starts getting bashed. The Taylor 416 LTD is a fine guitar. Spruce top with Tazmanian Blackwood back and sides. Very well put together and great sound. |
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Location: Canada | Ahh, I can't do it, I have bonded with my Ovation. Next one I'll get will be a Taylor maybe. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Just a thought ..
Keep the Ovi, and if ya really miss having a dread , then save a bit and buy a YAMAHA , great value fer the money , and , inexpensive , I yet have to hear a Yamaha that was n`t good. |
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Location: south east Michigan | The only Taylors I a have regard for are....
Andy,
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Location: Ohio | I agree. My son wanted a guitar to learn on so I got him a Yamaha (not sure shich model) for 299 or so with a nice gig bag, Good sounding and nicely set up out of the box.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by roscoe:
It seems funny to me that someone can post about a Collings here and there are 2 pages of positive comments, yet anytime a Taylor is mentioned, (which I think are great guitars also) it starts getting bashed. People enjoy bashing Taylors here... But if you ask me, Collings are too damn expensive also.
They all fall into the "Nature's Way" category...
"It's Nature's Way of Tel-ling You, You've got too much MON-neee!" |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Like any other guitar...some Taylors are excellent some are turds.
For the same money, Ovations are a better investment and a superior instrument.
If you get into the 3 grand plus territory there are some nice Taylors to be found and there is that one cheap one (baby) that Dave raves about. |
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| Originally posted by roscoe:
It seems funny to me that someone can post about a Collings here and there are 2 pages of positive comments, yet anytime a Taylor is mentioned, (which I think are great guitars also) it starts getting bashed. The Taylor 416 LTD is a fine guitar. Spruce top with Tazmanian Blackwood back and sides. Very well put together and great sound. It's a long-standing (years-long) gag here. Taylor-bashing on this forum is tongue firmly in cheek. Not so on the Taylor (ahem Acoustic Guitar) Forum. Go over to The Acoustic Guitar Forum (formerly The Taylor Guitar Forum) and post something where you mention you own an Ovation and that it's a pretty nice guitar. But make sure you wear an asbestos suit, 'cause the flames are guaranteed to give you third degree burns. The fan-boy attitude is worse than Apple. It's as though they feel they have to put down every other guitar maker to justify how much they spent on their guitar. Like TUS said, you always get what you pay for, right?
There's no doubt Taylor guitars have high build quality, fit and finish. I own as many all-wood guitars as I do Ovations/Adamii, but none of them Taylor. Part of the reason is that I have yet to play a Taylor that speaks to me. Part of it is the holier-than-thou attitude of many Taylor owners. And part of it is that I can have a superior-sounding guitar to my ears with just as good build quality and materials for a lot le$$.
I don't know anybody here who genuinely looks down on anyone else's choice(s) of guitar brand(s) (well, maybe an Esteban). Since we like Ovations, we're already a couple of standard deviations away from the mean. But that just means we appreciate variety. Not so for the Taylor fans-boys I've met. |
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Location: Blacksburg, SC. | Thanks for clearing that up. I have had and still have a few Taylor guitars that I feel are excellent instruments, yet I have played a few that were, as someone else said, turds. I still like Ovations too. Totally different sound, yet both are pleasurable to me. I agree on the Esteban. What a pos. |
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Location: Tennessee | Newf ... from a pure monetary standpoint, if you can swap a 2078LX for a Taylor 416ceLTD straight up, you ought to do it. That's a can't miss from an investment standpoint because for whatever reason, many many people out there treasure Taylors and keep their value high. So do it, and then save another $600-800 and get a killer Ovation that will 9 times out of 10 blow the Taylor away. You'll avoid the coulda woulda shoulda in the back of your mind. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Now that we are picking on Esteban... How is the World Tour Coming?
That is just some good late-night advertising. Catch people when they are half-asleep!
I have bought two really NICE $66 wood boxes that I have lent-out.
I do not know that an Esteban would survive the abuse...
And I don't think that I could survive the abuse if I actually lent an Esteban to somebody. |
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Location: SoCal | Guy at church who plays with us has a Taylor 314. Ok guitar but sounds thin acoustically and plugged in. He's having a problem with the electronics and borrowed a Taylor 814 from a friend. Nice guitar. Retails for $4k. It's a nice $1500 guitar. Looks great, sounds decent.
You pay a lot with Taylors for what you get. If it's worth it, then buy one. They are not good deals as far as I'm concerned. Larivee's are much better. And if you want to spend $4k, buy a Collings, Santa Cruz, Froggy Bottom, etc. There are much better guitars out there for that kind of money. My 87C, for $1200 or thereabouts is a much better guitar than the 814.
But if you want a Taylor, go ahead and get one. Other Taylor owners will love you and tell you how brilliant you are.
And by the way, Usual Suspects is being sarcastic and playing with you....... |
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Location: Flahdaw | Roscoe- we're just giving newf a hard time. On the other hand, why get on an Ovation forum and say you want to trade your one Ovation for a Taylor (unless you're just trying to get a rise out of the members). If you do, fine....you don't need to tell us about it. Kind of like seeing your ex-girlfriend at a party and telling her how great your new girlfriend is in bed. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
On the other hand, why get on an Ovation forum and say you want to trade your one Ovation for a Taylor (unless you're just trying to get a rise out of the members).  Just Trolling |
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Location: Canada | Deal is off anyways, my buyer for my ovation already has an ovation on order as of late this afternoon.
If I could actually get my hands on the Taylor to play it, things might have been different and I could have made a decision faster. It wasn't a straight up swap, it was a bit more money then I spent on the elite.
by the way, it was an honest question about two guitars and was hoping for honest answers from people with experience with both. Save the troll nonsense for the kiddies. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Well, I could see going to the Taylor forum and saying, "hey, I found a sucker that will trade me his Josh white for my 514. Wadya think"
...just duck. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | If I had the spare time I'd like to do that just for fun. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Newf:
I have a chance to get a 2008 Taylor 416ce LTD for about 1600 Canadian. I just got my Ovation last week but I could sell it to a very willing buyer and not lose any money on it.
I can't play the Taylor before hand, its out of town and would have to be shipped
My OV is a new 2078lx elite deep contour.
Not sure if I should do this or not. I've never played a Taylor Newf, Newf, Newf,
No one's gonna buy your Elite, isn't that the one with all the "swirlies?" ;)
I hope you were just baiting us, but here's my opinion, just in case you were ever serious:
Buying almost any all-wood guitar without playing it first is much more risky than buying an Ovation without playing it first. There are plenty of threads here discussing side-by-side comparisons of identical all-wood models that sound totally different. I believe that the consistency of the round-backs on Ovations eliminate part of that problem. There is a nice variety of tone/sound/depth/etc. available in the Ovation line, but I have found that within any one model, Ovations tend to be more consistent than other brands, and therefore, with an Ovation/Adamas you can depend on getting a guitar that sounds like you expect it to sound, even if you can't play it first.
I also happen to think that they sound great, regardless of what the back is made of. Plus, on a dollar-for-dollar basis you get a heck of a lot more with an Ovation than any other guitar. You could expand your possibilities and sound options by adding an Ovation 12-string or shallow-bowl to your Elite and have two great distinctive guitars for less money than you might spend for one Taylor that may, at best, sound almost as good as either one of those 2 Ovations.
Just because you paid a fraction of the real value of your Elite doesn't mean you have a cheap guitar. I also thought that you had said earlier that you loved the sound and the way it plays?
Don't let the giant marketing machine fool you. Taylor seems to have a HUGE advertising and marketing budget, they advertise everywhere, they sponsor some big-name artists, they distribute elaborate and expensive brochures to anyone who will read them, etc. Have you ever considered that the higher prices might be a result of marketing expenses, not necessarily a superior product?
If there is one theme that is repeated around here more frequently than any other relating to previously-owned Ovation/Adamas guitars it's: "I wish I never sold it."
Newf, don't be a lemming, keep the Elite, play the heck out of it and enjoy it, don't let buyer's remorse push you to into making an avoidable mistake. Hang out here often, and we'll give you all the reinforcement you need.
And incidentally, if you're looking for someone to support the expensive down-grade you're considering, I think you're looking in the wrong place… ;)
…and now you know why I hang out here…
…would someone pass the Kool-Aid™, I'm thirsty… ;) |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | .. and STANDING painted it in detail ..
Newf , get that TAILOR , sell Me that Ovi , then move to that deserted Island .. and Arthur ( who`s a dear ol` friend o` mine ) made a visual choke .. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by FlicKreno aka Solid Top:
... and Arthur ( who`s a dear ol` friend o` mine ) made a visual choke .. Yeah... Internet "Trolling" Really refers to this kind of Trolling (for nibbles)...
But being strongly influenced by Mythology... The Other trolls look cooler! Check out this one!
And I'm just a visual imagery kinda guy! :cool: |
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Location: on the web | we should be encuraging folks to buy Taylors collings, Martins, etc. cuz it leaves more Ovations for the rest of us. |
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Location: everywhere | As Usual, the Suspects are wrong, Taylors are shyte and most everyone knows it, you are much better off with your Ovation, but you have already come to that conclusion I think. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | I too might be tempted to trade an Applause model ... for one of the 814 or 914 Grand Auditorium Taylors. |
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Location: ms | You should have made the deal. Unless the Ovation was given to you by your wife or something you just passed on a major trade up. Now for all of you that say Taylors are over priced i say maybe. But i`ve owned a 814CE and got it for less than this Taylor. Same with many other Taylors i`ve had. There are deals out there on Taylors , you just have to look. I recall a summer day not long ago when a nameless OFC member(TJ)said he would never own a @##!@# Taylor. Now look at whats hanging by that clock on the wall. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I have a nice Taylor. It is at least as bright as the historic Gibson model and the old Ovation model, but not nearly as much as the vintage Guild model, nor the custom Gretsch or Adamas models. I even have a Breedlove that outshines the Taylor. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I've owned several Taylors and played a ton more. The only one I kept for any length of time was my DDSM...Doyle Dykes Sig Model. Had a terrific neck that I loved to play even tho I played it only about once a week. Kept that one about 4 years before I sold it to finance a Collings.
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Location: Canada | guys, thread is pointless now, but thanks anyways. OV isn't going anywhere, infact I ordered another one last night on behalf of my father who also loved it.
Like I said, if I could have played the Taylor beforehand, I could have made my own decision, but I couldn't and I know I already like my Elite, so I'll just be happy with it. |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by Newf:
OV isn't going anywhere, infact I ordered another one last night on behalf of my father who also loved it. Now you're talking! |
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Location: Canada | yeah, killer is he wanted the same color. I mean like common, we'll "clash" |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Newf, you and dad can go out as a real duo!
Just like Jim Croce & Maury Muehleisen.
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Location: East Tennessee | The only Taylor that interested me was a slothead I played at The Music Outlet,(I picked it up to get a better look at the guitar stand it was on).
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Swap ovation for Taylor?