Another very rare Bird from New Hartford !!!
Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-02 4:40 PM (#388503)
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Hello,

You know that I was a little frustrated after the Balladeer #22 "story" so I decided to treat my illness... :eek:
What better thing to do than to buy another guitar??

I'm happy to share 2 pics of this very nice Ovation Dreadnaught Proto whom was waiting for me this evening at the Customs Services.
She's nicest than expected and she seems to be a great sounding guitar after 10 minutes in hands.

After a long trip from USA to France, she needs to stay 2 or 3 days in my music room before to get new strings and a small set up.

Of course, this rare Bird comes from Mister Al so thank you again for that great deal!!
And thanks for the Beer and Coca Cola packs inside the box... :D
I can't imagine to open the box and not to find these packs, this is is the sign of a great instrument!! ;)

J :)




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WillaMuse
Posted 2009-12-02 4:48 PM (#388504 - in reply to #388503)
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Ooooh la, la, Jerome. Very nice guitar indeed. I'm glad she got there safely.

Enjoy!

;)
Willa
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Charlie Ramon
Posted 2009-12-02 4:51 PM (#388505 - in reply to #388503)
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Congrats Jerome! I didn't even know that a D-Ovation is in existence. It's got a bowl, right?

Karl
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-02 5:00 PM (#388506 - in reply to #388503)
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Thank you.

According Beal (in which we can trust... ;) ) whom was so kind like always to give me some information about this model, it was built in the early 80's. Several models were built but this one is surely the only one that has been finished.
The bowl is wider than on regular Ovation guitars and I'll take better pics ASAP.
It's 23.PM in Paris and it's not the right time to make good pics... :(

J :)
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2009-12-02 5:18 PM (#388507 - in reply to #388503)
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Now there's something you don't see everyday.
Congratulations Jérôme.
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-12-02 5:39 PM (#388508 - in reply to #388503)
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Way cool Jerome!!

AJ
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-02 5:43 PM (#388509 - in reply to #388503)
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In a few of those "what's the best sounding ovation" threads I think I mentioned this one. Glad you picked it up Jerome.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-12-02 6:00 PM (#388510 - in reply to #388503)
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It's kinda wide shoulders and waist, ain't it?
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-02 6:15 PM (#388511 - in reply to #388503)
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I think I played that guitar in the lobby of the Homestead in Windsor Locks. Is this the same one Al? If so, you got a great piece of history AND a very nice guitar, Jerome. Félicitations!
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-12-02 6:19 PM (#388512 - in reply to #388503)
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If it's that one I'm surprised Al let it go.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2009-12-02 6:37 PM (#388513 - in reply to #388503)
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Very nice, and a photo op in front of a genuine Ovation hot fluid heater.
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-12-02 7:37 PM (#388514 - in reply to #388503)
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I wonder why they never went into production.

I don't remember playing it in the lobby but I do remember sitting in front of it when Al was playing.
If I had been wearing a hat it would have blown right off.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-12-02 7:52 PM (#388515 - in reply to #388503)
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Sweet!
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Patch
Posted 2009-12-02 9:19 PM (#388516 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Sweet!
Ditto!

I've stared longingly at that one on Al's site more than once, but the timing never gelled. Have fun with it Jerome. :cool:
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-12-02 11:45 PM (#388517 - in reply to #388503)
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Fantastic Jerome! Congrats Mon Amie!
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alpep
Posted 2009-12-02 11:56 PM (#388518 - in reply to #388503)
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the guitar you are all thinking about is the wood top adamas.

this guitar is a great one but I have many great ones and some have to go.

the wood top adamas dread will take a lot to get away from me. but if the price is right almost anything can happen
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MWoody
Posted 2009-12-03 12:04 AM (#388519 - in reply to #388503)
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Al, "Tree Fiddy" and a phone number for the Lobowski Triplets?

Jerome, nice guitar, great history. I know you'll do it justice!
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Posted 2009-12-03 1:34 AM (#388520 - in reply to #388503)
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Nice one, Jérôme!!!
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stonebobbo
Posted 2009-12-03 3:14 AM (#388521 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by alpep:
the guitar you are all thinking about is the wood top adamas.
Ah, yes. Forgive me for mistaking one killer Ovation dread for another. Must've been the Patron that fuzzed my memory. ;)

I wish I could've heard this one, too. Especially if Gallerinski rates it so highly ... must be something very special in its own right.
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Depa07
Posted 2009-12-03 8:23 AM (#388522 - in reply to #388503)
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wow, great piece of history you have there. enjoy!
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Patch
Posted 2009-12-03 8:56 AM (#388523 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by alpep:
the wood top adamas dread will take a lot to get away from me. but if the price is right almost anything can happen
I stand corrected, and relieved in a glutton-for-punishment kind of way. But I've always figured it would "take a lot", that's why I've never asked. But you never know.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-03 9:09 AM (#388524 - in reply to #388503)
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Nope, sorry I was wrong. I was thinking of the Wood Topped Adamas Dreadnaught ...

Dang, but I bet the Dread Legend is also a killer instrument. How could it not be? Too bad Ovation never really exploited different body sizes. Deep, mid and supershallow are fine but basically every ovation is an OM size guitar with one degree of freedom - the depth.

Having 2 degrees of freedom - depth and body size adds a lot more possabilities. Heck, how about 3 degress of freedom - what kinds of woods you build the backs and sides out of ... ah, there I go again. Nevah Mind.
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Posted 2009-12-03 10:40 AM (#388525 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Having 2 degrees of freedom - depth and body size adds a lot more possibilities.
I think the parlor guitars add lots support to that statement!
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standing
Posted 2009-12-03 11:10 AM (#388526 - in reply to #388503)
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Do those prototype Dreads have the same depth as the old deep bowls? Since the comfort and stability of playing deep bowls was apparently enough of an issue to inspire a new design (contour bowls), I wonder how the Dread "feels?"

It's probably minimal when standing,( ;) ) but how much does the thicker waist (the guitar, not the player,) affect the playability sitting?

If they are the same depth, presumably they have more interior volume, how much does that and the larger sound-board affect the tone and volume?

For the record, I love deep bowls, and I actually believe that the "slipping" and "comfort" questions have always come more from Ovation-bashers than owners anyway. However, if popular enough, even myths and urban legends have to be considered by marketing folks… the contour bowl is probably an easier sell than a deep-bowl Dread…
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-03 4:14 PM (#388527 - in reply to #388503)
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Thanks again for your comments!!

The bowl of that guitar is wider but also more flat than usual.
2 pics for a comparaison: Adamas II Wide neck deep bowl on the left and Proto D on the right. ;)

J :)




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Waskel
Posted 2009-12-03 5:01 PM (#388528 - in reply to #388503)
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Wow. It does seem like that would have been a good direction to go.
Jerome, I was curious about the tone and volume as well.
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-04 4:03 PM (#388529 - in reply to #388503)
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The sound is maybe a little bit less "ovation" than usual and the projection is fantastic.
A great guitar !!!

J :)
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2009-12-04 4:41 PM (#388530 - in reply to #388503)
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What's the bracing pattern Jérôme?
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-04 5:00 PM (#388531 - in reply to #388503)
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I don't know...
As there is no access door, I'll try to look this week end when I'll change the strings. ;)

J :)
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geneo
Posted 2009-12-04 8:46 PM (#388532 - in reply to #388503)
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WOW,,, very nice I bet that beast sounds like a cannon..huh!
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TJR
Posted 2009-12-04 10:25 PM (#388533 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by Jonmark Stone:
What's the bracing pattern Jérôme?
I was curious about the same thing...

This is the first picture I've ever seen of this very interesting prototype. It's very cool...Were there many made? Cloth bowl? What Year..? Labels?

The only odd thing to me.. is that somehow the Dred body shape and the Ovation Peghead don't seem natural together. It's like the Fender Strat peghead on some of their acoustics guitars, which really gives me a double take.

...Talbot
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povation
Posted 2009-12-04 11:51 PM (#388534 - in reply to #388503)
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Congrats Jerome!The lucky man forever!
povation
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-05 12:52 PM (#388535 - in reply to #388503)
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I've changed the strings and try to take some pics.
It's not so easy to take pics from the inside of the guitar but some of them are acceptable.
Maybe someone could tel me what kind of bracing is it??
It seems to be a "A" bracing.

The inside of the bowl is also very interesting !!

CLICK HERE FOR PICTURES

J :)
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-12-05 1:00 PM (#388536 - in reply to #388503)
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I forgot to mention that I've added two shims under the saddle and that there's no buzz left now.

The action is a little bit high but very playable and she sounds so good!!!
It's probably not my best guitar for fingerstyle music but one of the best for playing with a pick.

I'm very very happy to have the privilege to own such a unique instrument.

I just regret that there's no label inside but it's not really important, it's an Ovation for sure!!! ;)

J :)
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Posted 2009-12-05 2:20 PM (#388537 - in reply to #388503)
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Congrats Jérôme, very unusual Ovation guitar.
I know how happy you are at the present time ! ;)
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Posted 2009-12-08 10:11 PM (#388538 - in reply to #388503)
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I wonder, Jerome, if this is the Balladeer is close to the one that John McLaughlin played on his "My Goal's Beyond" record? That is a fantastic Ovation sound, unplugged! this pic and this pic are the only ones I know.
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alpep
Posted 2009-12-09 9:08 AM (#388539 - in reply to #388503)
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I have to laugh out loud here.

this guitar has been on my website for at least 12 years with no interest.

I sell it to Jerome and everyone is wondering from what planet scotty beamed it down.

It you check my website you may find some of these types of gems on there. then you can buy one too and people can congratulate you for such a rare and interesting find LOL
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Waskel
Posted 2009-12-09 9:58 AM (#388540 - in reply to #388503)
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Al, that is sadly funny.
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Posted 2009-12-09 12:36 PM (#388541 - in reply to #388503)
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Originally posted by PsychoBunny:
Al, that is sadly funny.
+1

Lol....
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dobro
Posted 2009-12-09 3:13 PM (#388542 - in reply to #388503)
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Very true, Al. But, hey, I still cling to my old 1117, use it all the time, every gig. For my money it's only a few years younger than the REALLY original O's. For my money, it's not what you own but what you use!
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TJR
Posted 2010-11-03 9:50 PM (#388543 - in reply to #388503)
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Due to many things going on it's been quite a while since I've last posted, but this I had to share.. Here's some random history I thought would fit this thread..

I uncovered these historical relics\treasures during a clean out at my fathers former workshop.

.. enjoy!



Was a Dreadnought Adamas center hole proto ever considered ???




a few more pics in the Album

http://ovationfanclub.ning.com/photo/albums/ovation-adamas-dreadnou...
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cholloway
Posted 2010-11-04 12:27 AM (#388544 - in reply to #388503)
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Perhaps that was the mold for the hand laid dread proto bowl?
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Jérôme
Posted 2010-11-04 1:29 AM (#388545 - in reply to #388503)
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Very interesting stuff TJR, thank you for sharing!! ;)
This mold seems to fit to my dread proto but I'm pretty sure that the bowl was not hand laid on mine.
Maybe is it just a template??

J :)
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TJR
Posted 2010-11-04 10:21 AM (#388546 - in reply to #388503)
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Jerome, Doesn't this pic from your album show the tell tale cloth weave along either side of the neck support? In some regards the bowl you have looks more rounded than the form/mold I show. Another mystery I guess , is it really a match???

...Talbot

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Jérôme
Posted 2010-11-04 3:43 PM (#388547 - in reply to #388503)
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You're right Talbot, I've made a confusion with my Legend Proto Cutaway.
So it's surely the mold used for the Dread proto and it a very interesting piece!!!

J :)
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Posted 2010-11-05 11:49 PM (#388548 - in reply to #388503)
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does is sound different
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Posted 2010-11-15 9:30 PM (#388549 - in reply to #388503)
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bonne chance avec votre nouvelle guitare!
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