That Slothead thing
Englishplayer
Posted 2009-12-10 8:21 AM (#387630)
Subject: That Slothead thing


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I notice a fair amount of custom guitars of all makes have the slothead. Many out there seem to prefer the slothead. If you would opt for the slothead, could you explain the fascination? Thanks!
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kotadawg
Posted 2009-12-10 8:27 AM (#387631 - in reply to #387630)
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I like the the way it looks.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-10 8:28 AM (#387632 - in reply to #387630)
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Tone is improved due to increased pressure on the nut. Or so they say ...
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-12-10 8:34 AM (#387633 - in reply to #387630)
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Is that the Nut that is holding the guitar?

AJ :D
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Nick B.
Posted 2009-12-10 9:58 AM (#387634 - in reply to #387630)
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Englishplayer,
Like the others, I like the appearance and I'm told it improves the sound due to increased pressure at the nut. Also, ergonomically speaking, I think the slothead is a little easier to tune. I suspect it's a bit more difficult to manufacture a slothead (read - more expensive) which could be another reason they tend to show up on custom guitars.
Nick
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-12-10 10:20 AM (#387635 - in reply to #387630)
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Wouldn't the angle of the headstock have more to do with the pressure on the nut than weather the head is slotted or not?
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Meuti
Posted 2009-12-10 11:00 AM (#387636 - in reply to #387630)
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For me it's simply the looks. I just love looking at a slothead. And Ovation's slotheads are the prettiest I've ever seen ;)
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Jeff W.
Posted 2009-12-10 3:08 PM (#387637 - in reply to #387630)
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Originally posted by twistedlim:
Wouldn't the angle of the headstock have more to do with the pressure on the nut than weather the head is slotted or not?
The strings are at a greater angle as they are wrapped down into the headstock not on posts above the surface.
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2009-12-10 3:39 PM (#387638 - in reply to #387630)
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I don't know how much the tone is improved but I do know it's a pain to change the strings. Yeah, they're pretty, but so is a standard Ovation headstock. (Oh, do I sound grumpy?) I complain about changing the strings on fiddles too. With all this modern (?) technology such as geared tuners, why do they insist on still using friction pegs?
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TAFKAR
Posted 2009-12-10 3:48 PM (#387639 - in reply to #387630)
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And why does a string change on a 12 string take more than twice as long as a 6 string?

And why is belly button lint always grey when most of my clothes aren't?
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Beal
Posted 2009-12-10 3:50 PM (#387640 - in reply to #387630)
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+1 on changing strings.
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-12-10 4:12 PM (#387641 - in reply to #387630)
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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Originally posted by twistedlim:
Wouldn't the angle of the headstock have more to do with the pressure on the nut than weather the head is slotted or not?
The strings are at a greater angle as they are wrapped down into the headstock not on posts above the surface.
That makes perfect sense. Never thought of it.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-10 4:17 PM (#387642 - in reply to #387630)
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Do guys are doing it all wrong if it takes you longer to restring a slothead. I just put the strings on the "other way around". I feed the ball end through the tuner posts and tie off the bare end on to the bridge just like a classical guitar. Been doing this for years. I bet I can restring my slothead faster than you can restring your paddlehead.
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Slipkid
Posted 2009-12-10 4:37 PM (#387643 - in reply to #387630)
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Good idea Dave, but I'm afraid that the knots would ding up the bridge.

About improvement in tone, let me say this about that.
At the Amelia clinic, in the first 10 minutes, Matt showed us a simple right hand technique that made an immediate, very noticable improvement in tone. After experiencing that I've given up on caring about minor features like slothead angles and fretboard density.

To sum it up, my better guitars make me sound a tiny bit better dispite the fact that it's me playing them.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-12-10 4:53 PM (#387644 - in reply to #387630)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
Good idea Dave, but I'm afraid that the knots would ding up the bridge.
Not if you use String Tubes
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Waskel
Posted 2009-12-10 5:01 PM (#387645 - in reply to #387630)
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There you go.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-12-10 5:21 PM (#387646 - in reply to #387630)
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Slotheads...




Paddleheads...

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Slipkid
Posted 2009-12-10 5:23 PM (#387647 - in reply to #387630)
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Hmmm... Once again I think I've fallen victim to my own gullibility.
Oh well. I'm sure it won't be the last time.
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G8r
Posted 2009-12-10 6:14 PM (#387648 - in reply to #387630)
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Weaser P
Posted 2009-12-10 8:56 PM (#387649 - in reply to #387630)
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...so who won the pool...?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-12-10 9:42 PM (#387650 - in reply to #387630)
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Now that's a picture that should be destroyed. Whoever cooked that hog's head did a terrible job....
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Koenig Kurt
Posted 2009-12-11 2:26 PM (#387651 - in reply to #387630)
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Always hated slotheads. Reason why: They didn't look like the "real" guitars the guys on TV played, and my kiddie classic had this stupid "non real" slotted head.

Then, after my fifth or tenth "real" guitar, I got me a custom made Country Artist (that can be seen in my signature) and fell in love with the looks of the Ovation slotheads.

And then g##gle brought me here... Well, go figure.

Best regards,
Kurt
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Meuti
Posted 2009-12-11 2:56 PM (#387652 - in reply to #387630)
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Nice story, Kurt :)
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cholloway
Posted 2009-12-11 6:36 PM (#387653 - in reply to #387630)
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I like "slotheads" cuz they bring the most $$$ when you sell 'em! :cool:
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AussieJames
Posted 2009-12-11 7:39 PM (#387654 - in reply to #387630)
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Originally posted by cholloway:
I like "slotheads" cuz they bring the most $$$ when you sell 'em! :cool:
;) :D

AJ
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PeterD
Posted 2009-12-14 4:28 AM (#387655 - in reply to #387630)
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There is just something classy about a slothead...
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-12-14 6:09 AM (#387656 - in reply to #387630)
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Most here know how I feel about slot heads. There is no real difference in changing strings, you just have to turn your thinking around 90 deg. As far as sound from a greater break angle over the nut, I never have noticed much difference as it's hard to find another guitar with the same design (except for the headstock) to do an A B comparo. There's a lot of other factors involved too, including headstock mass. Most of the guitars with great sustain that I have encountered have slotted headstocks. (the UTE, 1680, 1114, and even the Martin CE0-5) I just like the way they look, classic.
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