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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | This has been (un)officially confirmed by a dealer.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Good, innovative guitars. Shame to see them go. I love my Cargo. It's just the perfect travel acoustic. Never seen, heard or played anything better. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Could be, Here\'s a disconcerting post on the carbon guitar forum. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | and another |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It was rumored a little while ago that somebody else would be aquiring them. |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | It's on the AGF as well, and Ovations have become part of the discussion.
I didn't care for them personally, but I hate to see them go. They seemed to make a good product by the account of many whose opinion I trust (about guitars anyway).
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Wadda Drag... And I don't foresee them getting cheap enough for me to afford one.
I would have liked to at least got to play one for awhile...
No big deal... But I woulda liked to have had one for a month or two (then resell it). |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I'm still glad I getting the Blackbird Nylon over the CA. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I just bought a Cargo raw and had to send it back because of intonation problems. I should have kept the first one I owned, it was by far the best. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Arlo and his CA... Coming into Los Angeles... |
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Location: East Tennessee | Last fall I was in Gruhn's in Nashville. They had several CA Cargo's. I didn't play or price them. Kinda wish I had.
TJ, Are they going to send you another Cargo? |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I just returned it for refund.
I've owned about 7 or 8 CA's of different types and to be honest, every one I've had since the first 3 or so have been of lesser quality and playability. I've had to send back 3 (including the latest Cargo) for issues such as relief, (you can't adjust because of no truss rod), intonation, (on two) and general unplayability. Like I said, I shoulda kept the first Cargo. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Maybe they closed cause they slid off your leg too.
Hate it when that happens. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | specially if your Santa Claus |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | First today I learn that our day is 1.26 µSec SHORTER and now this...  |
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Location: Michigan | Could not help but wonder after watching their youtube video how they could pay for all that cnc equipment. Being in a business where purchasing a cnc milling center could be useful we had to weight it against the costs and we just could not justify the expenditure. (we charge a lot more for our fixtures than CA charges for a guitar, and I would guess we sell a lot more items)
My guess is that they went in pretty heavily leveraged, but I am only speculating. |
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Location: SoCal | Maybe Fender's buying them and moving production to CT..... |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | It sounds to me, and I admit I know nothing about the company, that their quality went down hill. If the last 4 or 5 that TJ bought all had problems, I'm sure other people have had problems with theirs. No wonder they are closing. Blame it on poor quality control. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Blame it on Gibson, everyone else does. |
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Location: NJ | everyone I ever saw had some sloppy construction issues.
some sounded pretty good. I flirted with the idea of even buying a cargo for a minute |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Beal:
Blame it on Gibson, everyone else does. Illegal Tone-woods???? :D |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | ... excessive carbon footprint! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
No wonder they are closing. Blame it on poor quality control. I hope other companies are taking note. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
It sounds to me, and I admit I know nothing about the company, that their quality went down hill. If the last 4 or 5 that TJ bought all had problems, I'm sure other people have had problems with theirs. No wonder they are closing. Blame it on poor quality control. You know nothing about the company yet are able to draw that conclusion based on a handful of posts from a bunch of internet forum experts? Wow, I hope you don't make other decisions in your life based on that kind of evidence.
If quality control was the sole factor to kill a company Ovation would have been dead decades ago. There are a ton of possible causes and it was probably a combination of several, cost of and competeing demand for the raw material and the general ecomomic climate being a few of the more likely factors.
Of the several dozen CA's I've seen the quality was fine and they sounded great. But then I'm not going to draw the conclusion that their QC was perfect based on that tiny sampling, they probably did have some QC problems, all guitar factories do to to some degree.
Pesonally I'm dissapointed about this. I was talking to them at NAMM about being a UK dealer and was ready to place an order. One's thing is for sure, I won't be going to Rainsong as an alternative. Maybe they'll be back. Emerald Carbon Fibre Guitars shut down and are back in business again, even though they suck worse than Rainsong. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Carbon Fiber is a Fad! |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Paul, and you know nothing about me, yet you are able to speculate on my life decisions based on a few posts on an internet forum?
Between what TJ and Al both said (and I trust their judgement), it DOES sound to me like they had major quality control problems. People are unlikely to spend that kind of money on something that has sloppy construction issues, when there are other guitars in that price range that are flawless, or nearly so. If every person who bought a CA and had to send it back tells their other musician friends, I think it is likely that they changed the minds of any who were considering a CA. Lose enough sales and you can't make a profit. Can't make a profit, go out of business. It's as simple as that. |
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Location: SoCal | It might have nothing to do with quality control and everything to do with the economy. WE DON'T KNOW and that's what Temp was pointing out in his usual blunt way. Speculating based on a little information is usually pointless.
Let's not get in a pissing war people........ |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This thread is useless without stupid smilies |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | :) :cool: ;) :eek: :confused: :D :p |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Now THAT's better !!! |
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Location: Scotland | So, you continue to justify an opinion on a subject about which you freely admit to having no prior knowledge, based on a handful of posts from persons with whom your only significant interaction is on an internet message board. That continues to make no sense to me. Maybe it's just a personal thing but I prefer to base my opinions on evidence that is little more objective, substantial and quantifiable. Now, in my post I made an observation, not a personal
attack, yet you chose to take it personaly. If you are going to pontificate about something that by your own admission
you are completely clueless you need a bigger set of balls when someone calls you out on it. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Paul, I don't want to argue. However, I DID preface my remark with "Seems to me", which should indicate that I was speculating, and I notice you didn't have anything to say about Twistedlim's post, where HE was speculating on a possible reason. I would also like to ask you how you can claim that "Rainsongs suck", unless of course you have played so many of THEM that you have gained an authoritative voice on THAT subject. As for "pontificating", no, I stated an OPINION, based on what I have heard from people I have gotten to know pretty well, NOT just on this message board, but through phone calls, e-mails, and many purchases of fine guitars.
And if you don't want people taking your "observations" as personal attacks, then simply stop bringing speculations about their personal lives into the conversation, or someone might accuse you of being completely clueless, and needing a bigger set of balls. |
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Location: Scotland | Thanks, now it makes sense. I appreciate the clarification, you are truly an asset to this community, your insights are valued. |
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Location: Australia | Why did they go under, no one here really knows unless they work for the company, it's all speculation. It could have absolutely nothing to do with how "good" or well made the product is.
Generally speaking, it's very tough for carbon fibre to make inroads into a very traditional almost snobbish spruce/rosewood world.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Does anybody really CARE why they folded?
I say good riddence, so long, and thanks for all the fish. One less competitor for Ovation and Adamas to have to worry about.
Sure it sucks if people got sacked in the process, but hopefully they are fine luthiers and can land on their feet elsewhere. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Does anybody really CARE why they folded?
I say good riddence, so long, and thanks for all the fish. One less competitor for Ovation and Adamas to have to worry about.
Sure it sucks if people got sacked in the process, but hopefully they are fine luthiers and can land on their feet elsewhere. Actually I think competition is good. I don't know for sure that Ovation "worried" about the competition, but just the existance of folks like Rainsong and CA, must have on occasion be used as a reference. No matter how good you are at your craft, when you are the only game in town, there is not as much motivation or inspiration for improvement as there is when there is competition or at least copytition. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | FTFF |
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Location: Colorado | Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave |
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Location: Huntington Beach | I met and interviewed Ellis Seal at NAMM 09 - see here . The product looked very good and his booth, presentation and marketing materials were all excellent (expensive). In the NAMM environment its next to impossible to accurately assess an acoustic instrument. They looked unique and necks felt good. Don't remember the exact figures but I had the impression that they were on the high side compared to a comparably appointed all-wood guitar. With any product it all boils down to sales. I never saw them in any SoCal stores. The most successful companies I've done business with have not always had the best product in the market but they do have a bulldog of a National Sales Manager who drives sales. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | "I never saw them in any SoCal stores."
I have never seen one in either of the local guitar stores that I visit around here.
And they even have an Ovation or two, sometimes... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by elginacres:
Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave Only a few of the usual members "got it". |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by elginacres:
Nice Douglas Adams reference Dave Only a few of the usual members "got it". |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My pulse rate is far too low for panic mode. Or maybe I'm dead already and nobody told me yet. WOW. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Or maybe I'm dead already and nobody told me yet. So long, and ... yada, yada, yada. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | ... better you than me. And I mean that in the kindest way. |
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Location: Cincinnati | Originally posted by stephent28:
Dave, yer killin me............ I thought you killed yourself in the "Who was born on your birthday" thread? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | too true....too true
I believe ShaNNon has put a hit out on me and banged me dead a few times |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Crossing "the Family" again, T? Watch out. Could fnd a bloody Collings head in your bed... |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I'm soooo miffed. Was looking forward to the Eighty Second Academy Awards show.
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Location: Corpus Christi, TX | I understand that Peavey is moving the CA production line to Meridian, Mississippi and will me manufacturing them there. They also plan to keep the CA name. |
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | Shoot, hopefully they'll be cool and honor warranties should I ever need it....yeah right they will :) |
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Location: SoCal | Michael, there are some here who believed that you should have been sent an Adamas.... |
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Location: Seymour, Tennessee | I shoulda not posted anything about mine.
I certainly don't want another can of worms opened up again.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Hartley Peavey's attention to detail will be a step up from the previous company...the 12 string that I tried out looked very unprofessional inside...I was not impressed with the sound either...But then, Adamas 12 ownership has spoiled me for life...lol |
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Location: Tennessee | Bring back the Adamas Model PF-Q! |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay, I'll say it... CA's offset Soundholes are Fugly.
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Location: south east Michigan | Glen C... man... how many pages back did you have to go to find this old chestnut?
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