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Location: NW of Philadelphia | I have an odd buzzing in my CC257 Celeb Deluxe. I loaned it to my cousing who played the living hell out of it. (I swear he was gigging with it.) It came back to me with beat up case, corroded strings, cruddy neck, filthy top, and an odd buzz. Thankfully no serious dings. The buzz comes out of the G string and seems to resonate through the top. I figured a full cleaning, replace the strings and all should be good. NO! It got worse! Its now the D string too. So I gave it a 1/4 turn of neck relief. The D stopped but the G still does (hard opens and any fretted notes).
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Yeah, tell your cousin that he has to pay for repair, or better yet, buy you a new guitar! |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | He knows I'm pissed, and has already offered. I could never do that to someone's guitar... never.
I was just curious as to what the issue could be. |
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Location: New Hampsha | The issue is that there's a great-sounding 1117 at your local GC and your cousin has already offered to help with funding!
Duh. Was that a trick question? :rolleyes: |
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Location: Virginia | Beer corrodes the heck out of strings when you're gigging out... and who has the time to do a proper wipedown when the groupies want to invite you back to their dorm. Certinaly a bottlecap from a longneck will cause one heck of an internal buzz.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | First, inform you cousin that he is the proud owner of the CS257.
As the sign sez... You Break It, You Bought It!
Second, Why is it that people believe that you cannot gig with a guitar without damaging it?
I am sure that there are members here who can tell of gigging with the same guitars for years and having them still work fine.
So go down to your local shop and pick-out your replacement guitar.
Then check for raised frets, and loose bracing. |
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Location: NJ | loose brace |
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Location: closely held secret | Most likely. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I'm thinking it might be the nut. If it is buzzing open and fretted all the way up, and if this cousin treated the guitar so poorly, is it possible that he took a file (or pocketknife) to the nut to try to lower the action?
Every once in a while we used to get one through the line that had a rattle that we couldn't find. When it turned out to be a loose brace, or a loose tuning key, or even a loose rosette, it usually rattled more on one specific note, no matter where on the fretboard you played it. I would loosen that string and take a good look at the nut underneath it. If it looks like it's been gouged, he owes you an even more expensive guitar, and you owe him an even harder dope slap! |
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Location: Virginia | Arthur, you are correct. In 17 years of ownership...lots of gigging,swapping, open mic nights, 1.3 million miles bumping around in the back of a big rig traveling with my 85, I didnt adjust the thing a single time.
Some sticks just hold their position better. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Hmm .. here`s what happened t` me once ..
Just closed the case with my ZEPEDA in it , when it fell over , on the case ` LID !! ..
I immediately took out the Git, .. and .. there was a rerrible Buzz , .. as the Zep. had a Bone-Nut of Mediocre quality, and, does Not have a Truss , ...
I checked .. and Sure enough , the Bone-Nut-material had been pushed-in , causing the strings to be Lowered , .. I`m Not saying that the Nut-material on Yer Git. is bad , ..but ..
I fixed it by INSERTING a piece of FELT in between ( Offending ) String and Nut ..
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | So After a while , ( it all seemed Odd t` me ) , I pursued the matter , and Oh ..
The Nut-Groove had been CUT to gauge 50 , and I had mounted gauge 54 !! .. causing the strings to " linger " somewhere on the Groove , but .. the force of falling -down , was enough to Push the strings Deeper into the Grooves , thereby placing strings Closer to Fret-board , causing .. BUZZ ..
Maybe something similar has happened to your case of grief.
I E . Strings GNAWED their way into Nut-Groove .. and/or even into Saddle ..
A small piece of FELT might do wonders ..
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | As for my cousin modifying it... no. He is not that brave or that stupid (he better not be). He won't even do a setup himself.
Next chance, I'll check the bracing and nut and let you know.
This has completely wrecked my trust in him. |
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Location: New Hampsha | Buying that 1117 on his nickel might make you feel a whole lot better.... :D |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | If I wasn't under a "No New (or used) Guitars" agreement until 2011, I would. Hell, I thought about trading in my newish Martin OM-1 for it. But that would upset my OWMBO even more. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | OK... one of the bridge screws is loose, spinning in its hole and I can't tighten it. I can't find any loose bracing.
My cuz said he will take it in and get it fixed and setup. |
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Location: NJ | ". . . one of the bridge screws is loose, spinning in its hole and I can't tighten it . ."
That's because there's a nut under the bridgeplate (inside the guitar) that you have t'hold. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by cliff:
That's because there's a nut under the bridgeplate (inside the guitar) that you have t'hold. Where's Whitehead when we need him?
Cliff is pointing out that these are bridge bolts, not bridge screws. If you look in the back hatch and see the end of the bolt without a nut on it, that could explain the buzz. There's probably a nut rolling around in the bowl, too. If the nut's still there, just hang onto it when you tighten the bolt from the other side. Might be the easiest fix you'll find. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | FYI: I do have some idea on how things are done.
No... the nut is ON the screw and I have tried tightening it. The head of the screw is under the pearliod dot on the bridge. I have tried holding the stud from underneath and tighening the nut, its damn near impossible to do in such tight spaces. There is barely enough room to grab hold the nut, let alone both. I'm not sure how and if I want to pop the dot out to get to the screw head. |
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Location: NJ | Take Nut Off.
Push Screw Up.
Dot Pops Out. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Sorry, I assumed you had the dot off and were turning the bolt from above. It would probably be much easier to pop the dot out and turn the bolt with a screwdriver than it would be to get a wrench on the nut inside the ssb. I've never removed one of those dots, so I don't know how hard it would be. If you can't get a box end wrench on the nut and don't want to remove the dot, then a luthier is probably your best bet.
EDIT: While I was typing, Cliff beat me with his typically succinct response. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | How do you replace the dot? Glue? |
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Location: NJ | It's(or SHOULD be) PressureFit. |
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Location: NW of Philadelphia | Thats what I was hoping to hear. |
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Location: NJ | What you're HOPING t'Hear is "nothing". |
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Location: New Hampsha | Originally posted by cliff:
Take Nut Off.
Push Screw Up.
Dot Pops Out. Wow - i had to read that again slowly.
I'm glad this won't be taken out of context! :eek: |
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Odd buzzing...