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Location: Corvallis, OR | I play finger style, with my pinkie resting on the guitar for support. Wood top guitars that I have played for years and years, with no pickgaurd, always show a nice worn spot where the finger tip gradually wears it's way thru the finish.
I now play an Adamas Carbon Fiber guitar, and altho the top seems quite durable, I don't want to mar the appearance of this very expensive guitar.
The problem is that the surface of the top is a rough, sort of corrugated surface, that defies the adhesive on two different "stick-on" pickgaurds I have tried. And the other option, simply gluing something on with a more reliable and strong adhesive leads me back to the original problem - I don't want to permanently mar the surface with something that won't come off.
Others must have faced this problem before, and so I hope someone can give me a method for sticking a small piece of plastic onto the surface of this black rough surface that will stick reliably but not hurt the surface.
I don't know how to describe the top surface, but it is some kind of imitation woven pattern (the guitar is a wide neck, special order Adamas 2080 )
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Location: NJ | Go to a sewing supply store & buy a little rubber "thimble". |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Jeez buddy. You own a special order Adamas 2080 and you don't know enough about it but to call the top "some kind of imitation woven pattern"!!!
No wonder O's & A's get no respect. ;)
Do as Cliff says. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Trim the nail on your pinkie. Seriously, I, too, rest my pinkie on the top, but it only causes a smudge, never a scratch. It could be how the ball of my finger rests in contact with the top, and the fact that I am a flat picker and keep all the nails on both hands ultra short, although I am currently experimenting with a hybrid style so I'm letting the index nail grow out. Unfortunately, this is something with which I am totally uncomfortable. I just know its going to break and split and then take six months to grow out. |
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Location: NJ | ". . Do as Cliff says . ."
REALLY??? |
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Location: closely held secret | That Colin... such a kidder... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by cliff:
". . Do as Cliff says . ."
REALLY??? Clifford, print out this thread and frame it. It will never come again.... |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | it was the best i could come up with. (saracasm isn't ALWAYS easy!) |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by cholloway:
(saracasm isn't ALWAYS easy!) And easily unrecognized as such. |
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Location: Tennessee | Just play it. If you can rub a hole in the CF top, there's gonna be so much mojo played into that guitar no one will care if there's a mark on the soundboard. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | Ditto Bobbo |
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Location: Utah | Do you have a museum piece or a thing which you use for a purpose? If it is a collector's item that should be kept pristine, don't play it very often. If it is a thing to be used, use it.
I'm all about keeping stuff nice, just ask my kids and wife about door dings in my car that happen in my own garage!! But, any thing that is used will experience normal wear and tear. I think that minor marks from fingers or picks is to be expected, though the Adamas top should be fairly tough to mark visibly. Use it, enjoy it, and maybe keep it forever.
The value you get from an item is the pleasure it brings you or the utility it provides. Any residual dollar value when you are finished is gravy. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Cliff offered some thimble advice.
But using a Bra might work better for you:
Removal PG Bra Material on Ebay |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Ship it back to the factory and have a gloss finish applied...call first...
Or you coulda/shoulda bought an OFC II...ah but then again, there were only 8 made... :p :eek: :D ;) :rolleyes: |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Learn to play without resting your pinkie. It won't be that hard or take very long. And with that pinkie freed up, you might just find that you use it to pick with sometimes too. |
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Location: Michigan | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Learn to play without resting your pinkie. It won't be that hard or take very long. And with that pinkie freed up, you might just find that you use it to pick with sometimes too. Ditto, best advise yet. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Alison is correct, but as a fellow Pinky-Planter... all I can say is that Doc Watson does it too! |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I do too, sometimes. On some of the faster songs I find that thumb, index and middle finger work best - the others just get in the way. But I TRY to keep the pinkie floating just above the soundboard instead of actually touching it. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I'm with Alison, pinkie should not touch the face when you are finger picking. Your finger picking will improve! |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Funny, that planted pinkie is a habit I have tried to break unsuccessfully for years. I can do it for a while but next thing I know, it's back planted on the fingerboard.
But hey, I hear Doc Watson does it too. |
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Location: SoCal | Chet Atkins planted his pinkie on the top of his guitar unless he needed it to hit a string. That's a pretty good recommendation that there's probably nothing wrong with it.
Do whatever's comfortable to you and don't worry about it. If I had to pick either Alison's way or Chet's way, I'd probably go with Chet. But really, there is no right way or wrong way. Maybe find your own way? |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | I'd plant my pinkie and anything else I had handy if I could play like Chet! |
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Location: Brisbane,Australia | Joan Baez the Queen of folk rests her pinky! And has been doing so for 40 odd years . Long live the pinky resters!!!! |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Back to the original question -> hot glue gun. |
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Location: Tampa Bay area, FL | Yes, but with the top free to vibrate, your guitar will sound better. Those other cats sound great despite planting the pinkie, not because of it. I vote for getting that hand free of the top to let it vibrate. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Nice website, Dave, (Prestocat). Visit more often. |
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Location: CA | Great to strive for improvement, but as a pinkie-resting fingerpicker, you're in good company. As noted in a post a year or so ago, along with Doc W, these guys also do it:
Chat Atkins
Gordon Lightfoot
Red Shea (Lightfoot's lead guitarist)
John Fahey
John Prine
Roy Clark (on both banjo and guitar)
Lindsay Buckingham
Mark Knopfler (actually rests his third finger)
David Gilmour (he doesn't really finger pick, but rests his pinkie during some acoustic solos)
Paul Simon (playing an Ovation in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUkL5YQJfEo)
Willie Nelson (he rests it right above the hole worn through his guitar top)
Guys who don't rest pinkies:
Jerry Reed
Leo Kottke
James Burton
I'm sure there are others, but I start getting cross-eyed after watching too much YouTube. I vote for the rubber thimble, too. |
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| Once I stopped resting my finger on the top my picking improved a lot - took about 5 minutes to get used to the difference. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | As a longtime 'finger dragger' (prone to bracing my picking hand with the pinky and ring finger), I too worried about marring the top or the epaulets of my Adamas.
One day while playing my guitar on the deck, my postman came by and he happened to have one of those 'rubber thimble' thingies Cliff mentioned. He said they use them for sorting mail and offered to get me a pinky size one. He brought it by the next day (it was even red :D ) and it worked a treat!!
After playing with it on for several days, I realized having one for the ring finger would probably be a good idea as well. After researching where to get them, I found that the three main users of these are a) bindery workers (for sorting...), jewelers (for stone polishing and not wearing their finger tips off...) and quilters who use them for... whatever it is that quilters actually do. :D
If anybody else here wants to give these a try, I found the quilters pack selection the best value. You get 2 of each size for what you'd pay for a dozen of one size if you take the jewelers or sorters selection.
These come in a wide range of colours as well...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270616765176&ssP...
This is the 'quilter's pack' that I ordered (in red)
Hope this info was useful... |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | On closer inspection (I managed to find a different site with a better picture of the package), I noticed the quilter's set comes with thumbs... but NOT pinkies.
If you'd prefer a similar item (but for the pinky), search on 'rubber fingers' or the jeweler's ones are sometimes referred to as 'rubber finger cots'
Be careful though, 'cots' are also the technical name for the single finger condoms proctologists use... :eek: |
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Location: Indiana | Though the pinky rubbers would definitely be a conversation starter... might I respectfully suggest you just play the damn guitar.
I feel better.
Oh, and don't take up golf. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | I'm so glad you feel better... Golf?
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I kinda gotta agree with Jonmark... I don't see a problem!
If you are staining your guitar top you need to watch your hands. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I kinda gotta agree with Jonmark... I don't see a problem!
If you are staining your guitar top you need to wash your hands.
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | First off, on the subject of 'guitar hygiene'... I am FANATICAL about washing my hands before I pick up any guitar. This, has nothing to do with dirt or sweat from your hand transfering to the top.
It is strictly about wear. Human skin is abrasive and over the course of time can mar the finish. Using a rubber finger on the point where you anchor your hand on the guitar is about preserving the look and value of your expensive instrument.
I have seen numerous Adamas' that had visible wear on the snot blob or on the epaulets. Some people view this as 'mojo'... On an Adamas, to me it is just unsightly... Strictly opinion though, and to each his own...
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Strum one of your guitars and see how long it rings. Then strum it again and put your finger in the middle of the top. I would think that resting your finger would also mute the guitar. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Good point, Mark.
I will try that and see if it affects the performance of the top.
Usually, if my hand is touching, it is fairly lightly, but is definitely something to take into account. |
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Location: Indiana | Originally posted by Avatar4550:
I'm so glad you feel better... Golf?
;) In golf, you buy a brand new $hiny driver and immediately go out and smash little white rocks with it. Clubs will not remain pristine if you want to play the game.
Guitars are built to be played.
Playing guitars will leave signs of wear.
If you're playing a guitar you're obsessing over you should put it in a glass case and choose a guitar you can feel free to play with abandon.
You'll grow, play better, and enjoy it a whole lot more. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Obsessing over a guitar... nobody here would ever do that, would they? ;)
In all seriousness, I agree with what you are saying, in principal. All the guitars I have now were bought to be played and were never intended to be 'closet queens'. This doesn't mean that being careful and treating them with the respect they deserve is OTT either.
I was on the road as a working musician for years and my gear always came back looking pretty much the same as when it went out. When things were damaged it was usually down to other people having a slack attitude about gear in general.
A former well-known bassist I played with after having scratched the living sh*t out of the back of my previously pristine BC Rich Koa Eagle (with an over sized-metal screaming eagle belt buckle, no less), this after I was kind enough to let him use my bass (he had one as well, but preferred mine...) gave me the 'Well, now it has mojo..." speech (with me being restrained to keep from knocking his teeth down his throat...).
Now, anyone that tries to add 'mojo' to my guitars in this manner gets dropped where they stand... no exceptions. :D |
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Location: Tennessee | I'd venture to guess that pinkie rubbers would be just as abrasive to a top as fingertip skin. In that case, you're just trading wear for different wear. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm fanatical about a pristine guitar ... unTIL it gets the first blemish, scratch, ding, nick. Then it's just a guitar and it was put on this earth to be played and to being people joy with it's sound. |
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | This idea of using a pinkie rubber is something new and I will have to give it a bit more time before I conclude one way or another.
I tried the test Mark recommended and found that if left ringing there was a slight decrease in sustain with the finger down (but not much). I also realized that the only time I am bracing my hand in this manner is to do fast up/down or hammer-stroke picking... in which case there is very little ring between notes anyway.
One advantage of the pinkie rubber, is that when planted your hand is more stable (this may be a result of being overly cautious about how I am putting it down on the top, though...).
For those of us with only a 'few' really nice guitars the desire (need...) to keep them pristine may be more pressing than with others here.
Dave, if one of your guitars gets a nick in it, all you have to do is look to the next stand down the line for that 'Viagra moment'... then to the next one and then the next... in a long line stretching to the horizon (ala Citizen Kane). I wish...
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