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Location: Milford, MI | Sunburst 1115 with OHC for $300.00. I talked to the woman on the phone and she didn't know much about it so, I was not sure what to expect.
I went to her house and saw a brown case and I got more interested. Opened and saw a slothead. Even better. It's not mint but also not bad either. It has a surface crack that I can live with and the action is good.
Here is the problem. She had it listed for $300.00,so I offered her $250.00. She looked at me like I had 3 heads and said "I want at least $500.00".
I told her it was listed for $300.00 and she did not believe me. So she went to her ad and saw she had listed it for $300.00. I told her I would give her $300.00 like the ad stated and she said no.
I told her to have a nice day and left. I was just out of her driveway and she called me on the phone and said she would sell it for $300.00.
I will post pics later. The wife does not know about this one yet. lol |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | BOOMER! Congrats, now wear it out... |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The hardest thing for the buyer in a transaction like this is having the resolve to walk away from it, regardless of the extent of attraction to the item. Same goes for the seller in exercising a willingness to allow a prospective buyer to walk. Sounds like the seller broke first. Congrats. |
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Location: Milford, MI | It needs new strings and to be cleaned really bad! She said the strings are about 20 years old. I tuned it with the old strings on it and it still sounds pretty damn good. |
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Location: Milford, MI | It was hard to walk away but, only having $300.00 on me at the time made it easier. |
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Location: Milford, MI | Well, the wife is ok with it. That makes life easier. She said if I didn't bring it to her attention she would not have noticed.
I have to learn to keep my mouth shut! lol |
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Location: Texas | Tremor,
IMHO, Pacemakers are fabulous 12-ers. Strum it hard and we'll hear it all the way down here in Texas… ;)
I was looking for one in that price range for a while last year before I found mine. Based on that search, and in that condition, (particularly with a crack,) I think you paid her a fair price.
In our little universe here on the OFC, you got a stellar guitar for an excellent price, but, in the real world, you did not "steal" it from her by any means… it was fair for both parties…
(that's my 2¢ "lady in Michigan" in case you're reading this with seller's remorse…)
;)
…she probably was unsure what it was worth and you showed enough enthusiastic interest to make her wonder if she had under-priced it, so she asked for more…
Now, all that said, the 1115 is a better-sounding and smoother-playing 12 string than anything you'd find anywhere, even at several times what you paid for it, so, in that sense, you really got a spectacular deal.
Is it acoustic only or A/E? Have you checked the serial number to see what year it is yet?
Congrats, enjoy it… |
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Location: Milford, MI | Acoustic only. The serial# starts with 174 so I think it's a 1979.
I feel the price was fair also, for both of us. I'm happy that I got it. Crack and all, it's a keeper. New strings tomorrow and I will be even happier. |
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| Great guitar, about what I paid for mine with a finish crack from bridge to binding. A true workhorse 12-string. Congrats and enjoy. |
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Location: Milford, MI | I'm very happy with it so far. Even with the old strings. I did a side by side with the 1115 & the 1866 tonight,the 1115 wins without question.
Going to take some pics in a few. I will post them when I remember how to do it. lol |
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Location: Texas | Originally posted by tremor:
I'm very happy with it so far. Even with the old strings. I did a side by side with the 1115 & the 1866 tonight,the 1115 wins without question. Those are really two different species… now you have a great 12 for plugging-in AND a great one for playing unplugged.
Do you only play 12'ers?
(not that there's anything wrong with that…) |
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Location: Milford, MI | I play 6 string and electric too. I'm just in a 12 string faze right now.  Hope I did the pic right. |
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Location: Milford, MI | Here is another one.  |
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Location: Michigan | tremor was that gal named tammy who listed it on craigs list ? if it is the one i saw a few months ago she had it listed for $500. back then and she said she needed to sell it so she could get another guitar.
sounds like a good deal , i can see your enjoying it because i can hear all the way up here in mt.clemens. GWB |
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Location: Milford, MI | Her name was Allison and she lived in Warren. I really do like this guitar. I changed the strings today and this is a keeper. |
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Location: Texas | Wow, she still had the owner's manual? cool…
The only thing that came with mine was a powerful cigarette reek saturating the case and guitar. I couldn't stand it, so I searched the forum for ideas and found a good suggestion…
… the cigarette smell is history…
… now it smells like Ozium® instead…
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Location: Milford, MI | She said she had a strap that came with it too, but I said I really didn't need another strap. She said it was upstairs somewhere and I thought it was just a good time to exit.
Wish I would have got it now! |
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Location: Milford, MI | Cigarette smell is not a good thing. I am a smoker and don't smoke in the house because I don't like the smell when I wake up.
Why don't I stop? Been trying and will not quit trying. |
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Location: Texas | Even a smoker would have gagged on this odor…
I bought my 1115 online. The stink was an unpleasant surprise, (although it did alert me when the UPS truck was approaching my neighborhood…) ;)
I didn't know if I would ever get rid of the stench, but it's such a great guitar, I HAD to keep it…
First I tried simply airing it out for a long time… but that just stunk up the house.
I ultimately sprayed copious Ozium on a small piece of cloth and set it (on a piece of plastic to avoid direct contact with any guitar surface) inside the (horizontal) guitar. I left it out that way for 24 hours. Then I repeated the treatment with the guitar inside the closed (and previously treated) case.
It's remarkable how well it worked. I'm sold on Ozium, it does leave it's own lingering (and odd) "fragrance" but that dissipates eventually and there is now barely any trace of the odor left in the guitar or the case. (My playing still stinks, though…) ;)
Ovation has always made (and still makes) superb 12-string guitars… enjoy your new "Pacer." ;) |
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | To eliminate odor, Use Heinz Vinegar 5% undiluted. Wipe all surfaces with it and let it dry. A few applications may be necessary. I used it many times when my boys were young and were sick. All 3 came down with viruses and took turns throwing up every where but the sink, garbage can or toilet. That time it was so bad that I sat the kids down in one room and left a empty storage container in the middle of the room and told them to go for it.
I recently bought a 12 exposure film magazine for my Hasselblad and knew right away the guy was a smoker. It reeked and he never mentioned he was a smoker. I did 3 treatments with the vinegar and the smell is totally gone. You will not even smell the vinegar afterwards. |
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Location: Milford, MI | I noticed when I was changing strings yesterday that the end strap button was changed to some kind of end pin jack.
I felt around while I had the strings off and it has a wire running to each side of the bridge. At the time I was busy trying to figure out how to restring a slothead and didn't explore any more. Now I wish I did.
I plugged my turner into the jack today and it does not seem to work. The seller said no work was done on the guitar(We know sellers don't always tell us everything) and she is not sure what that is.
Looks like someone tried to make it A/E. Just not sure what kind it might be. I didn't find a battery holder. Weird! |
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Location: Texas | Phil,
If I had three kids simultaneously in the condition you described, I'd be tempted to drink the vinegar… ;)
Vinegar sounds like practical advice for many non-porous surfaces, but is it a good idea to rub vinegar (or anything else) on the inside of a wood-top Ovation?
I would speculate that the bare wood of the underside of the top and the braces are the most porous surfaces anywhere on the guitar, and therefore that's probably where most of the smoke was absorbed. I would be reluctant to rub vinegar (or anything else) directly on raw wood inside any guitar.
Same thing with the inside of the case, is it a good idea to rub vinegar on cloth? I don't know the answer, but I'd rather avoid it, unless I ran out of other ideas…
Baking soda is also good for absorbing odors, but I was afraid that it might also absorb moisture and potentially dry out the wood, so I went looking for an alternative, and Ozium was mentioned in an old thread somewhere…
(Of course, Ozium might actually BE mostly vinegar, for all I know.) ;)
I don't know HOW it works, but I'm delighted at how WELL it worked, in my case (pun intended.) |
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Location: Texas | Did Ovation ever use a combination strap-button/jack?
You could remove the strings and peek under the saddle… that is if you really want to repeat the process of installing 12 strings in a slot-head sooner than necessary… ;) |
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Location: Milford, MI | I think I will just wait until these strings need to be changed. The worst part of changing the strings on this was getting the old ones off.
They were on for so many years and it looked like they were tied in a know rather than just looped. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Good grab, not a steal but a worthy instrument at the unappreciated going rate these days.
Now, when the little lady says "if I didn't bring it to her attention she would not have noticed."
Don't EVEN think about it...
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Location: Utah | We inherited a mattress from the spare bedroom of a smoker. 20 years of smoke infiltration made it smell like an ashtray. The wife vacuumed the hell out of it and then used Febreeze a couple of times. No more smoke smell, no strange alternate odor. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Hmmm, more likely a Tobacco Burst. |
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Location: Milford, MI | You are right MWOODY: My $300.00 guitar just cost me $400.00 in flowers and plants for the yard today. Could I say no? Not a chance. lol. And yes, Tobacco Burst. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Then all is right in the World. Wouldn't have it any other way.
G'night |
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You can probably use the vinegar on the bowl and the case. I wouldn't use the vinegar on the top. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I bought a Gibson once and as soon as I got near the box it reeked of cigarette smoke. I called the seller and said "I probably should have asked this earlier, but do you smoke?" He replied "no, but my wife does". She is 80 years old and he said he couldn't stop her now. Can't imagine what their house smells like. I have since learned to ask before consummating the deal.
Oh, congrats on what I would consider a great deal on the 1115. |
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Location: Texas | My stinky 1115 came from a very reputable "old" dealer (closer to tremor's neck of the woods,) yet they never mentioned the smell in their detailed description of the condition of the guitar. In fairness, I never followed-up with them about it after the guitar arrived, because it was a very fair price, even with the odor.
I don't recall seeing too many listings for guitars that mention; "good condition, but stinks" There must be an unwritten rule that odor is not considered a defect. Gotta add that to the list of questions to always ask…
But, to try to get back to discussing tremor's (now $700) ;) guitar… the 1115's I've played are REALLY loud. I have several Lyrachord Ovations, and I think they sound great, so I have no disrespect for Lyrachord, yet I wonder if some of the exceptional volume and tone on my 1115 may be due in part to the fact that it does appear to have a fiberglass bowl?
I don't know if any (or all) 1115's were originally made with fiberglass bowls, Lyrachord Bowls, or some of each… |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Just my 2¢... I haven't smoked in Months, but when I did smoke I didn't notice the smell.
So it was well off of my radar as anything to report.
So any and all of my guitars probably smelled like smoke when I got them.
Also, now that I have quit I can smell cigarette smoke from a block away...
But I still don't notice that smell on my guitars, although I am sure that any guitar that I had before October 09 probably smells like smoke to a sensitive nose.
So, I am just saying that to a smoker there is probably nothing to report.
Smokers just assume everybody smokes, or did smoke.
Didn't everybody smoke in the 70's? When they were 65¢ a pack....
Before we all got suddenly Healthy? :p |
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Bought a Sunburst today.