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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I'm not too enamoured with the tuners on the folklore. They just don't 'feel' right.
Anyone replaced their stock slothead tuners? If so, what did you use? Grover? Gotoh? Schaller? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by muzza:
They just don't 'feel' right. muzza,
In what way? I've had no issues with my FL. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Gotoh make a nice open gear slothead tuner. Enclosed tuners are just too damn heavy. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Iffy, they feel 'cheap' compared to my other guitars with Schallers and Grovers - even the Pings on my '05 feel more... quality.
They're inconsistent.
Thanks Dave. I know you're a big fan of the open gear tuners. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Looking on feeBay, I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Are they the same as a normal Classical guitar tuner?
I found some Schallers which are 6 individual tuners, not 2 sets of 3 joined together like I'm used to seeing. Would they fit? I'd imagine the screw holes wouldn't line up. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Hey Muzza... What you really want is tuners for Slotted Steel-String guitars, not classical.
TRY HERE.... Stewmac!
These look Particularly Cool!
Just be sure to click "specs" and make sure that you get the measurements right.
Just shop around amongst all the choices.
I hope that this is your answer. :cool: |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Muzz,
Mine are individual ones: 
Are yours all joined together like the photo OMA posted?
(And before someone complains about Macs and the size of the photo, I managed this destruction entirely on a work PC) |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | The one that TJ is sending me has on-the-rail tuners...
I think that is the original design.
But I have been wrong before. :p
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And you can resize pics! :eek:
 Just kidding... :D |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Mine look like OMAs, except my Folklore has plastic sleeves on the shafts. I notice OMAs doesn't. Maybe that's why mine isn't as good as it could be.
The Schallers I found on feeBay look almost exactly like TAFKARPs. I notice his also doesn't have any plastic sleeves. |
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Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | I 've changed mine on the 1624 to these ones:
http://www.thomann.de/de/schaller_mkge_concert_machine_head.htm
That are the same as the originales, but in gold finish and ebony buttons, not really cheap!
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by muzza:
Mine look like OMAs, except my Folklore has plastic sleeves on the shafts.
I notice OMAs doesn't.
Maybe that's why mine isn't as good as it could be.
The Schallers I found on feeBay look almost exactly like TAFKARPs.
I notice his also doesn't have any plastic sleeves. I am not positive, but I believe that the plastics sleeves are for nylon strings. :confused:
I had an Academy that had plastic sleeves, but rumor had it that I coulda put nylon strings on that one.
I also don't know if that would affect the tuning, cuz my Academy worked fine with metal strings.
A 1624 is a nylon string guitar...
I Think that the plastic sleeves will come off.
But you might have to destroy the sleeves to do that. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I Think that the plastic sleeves will come off. TRUE
But you might have to destroy the sleeves to do that. TRUE |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I think I now know why they didn't 'feel' right. I pulled the tuners off and the bushes are missing on the A and B. I reckon someone converted it to these non original ones at some stage and lost 2 of the bushes in the process. |
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Location: East Tennessee | You can get the bushings from Stewert MacDonald.
Tuner Parts |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Thanks for that CG. I've decided to replace the tuners with the proper steel string ones. Just got to choose which ones. |
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Location: East Tennessee | I am looking at replacing the tuners on my slothead as well. That's how I knew Stewmac has the bushings. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Muzza, what year is your Folklore? For the first few years, at least through 1977, Ovation used the same tuners for the nylon strings and steel string slotheads. They all had the plastic sleaves. The posts have too much diameter for the steal strings and make it harder to keep the strings from slipping. About 1978 or so they switched to the narrower posts for the steel strings, but they are basically the same tuners. |
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Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | Muzza, I've my old tuners from my 1624 incl. all the bushings and screws. They have chrome buttons, too, no pearloid. All is Schaller original. They are still working very well. I changed them because the "goldies" are looking better (in my opinion) and I get them very cheap. If you are interested, PM me.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Thanks Bernie, but the country artist has the nylon sleeves, doesn't it?
And, like you, I prefer the gold ones (Love the ones on TAFKAR's '08)
Mark, I think mine's a '73, so maybe they are original. Still gonna replace them with a better set though. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I wanted TAFKAR'S Schallers, but couldn't find any. So I ended up buying these. (the gold ones...)
Grover Sta-Tites
The 18/1 ratio clinched it for me. Capo Guy, I'll let you know what I think of them when they arrive.
Anyone got any clues on how to remove the old bushes? |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I'm sure Stew Mac has a tool for that, but when I changed out the tuners to Waverly's on my Martin, I made a tool to pull them. I started out with a "bugger hook" (o ring removal tool) and bent the end to 90 deg. With a little grinding to clear the inside of the hole, it was just a matter of inserting the end of the tool, hooking onto the bushing, and using a steady pressure (pulling) to remove the bushing from the hole.
Used to look like....
Looks like now.....
BTW, if you change out the tuners from Schallers to any open gear type, you will need 12 bushings. One set for the inner rail and the other for the outer rail. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | TJ, the ones you replaced look just like the ones I wanted... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Wow... They do look much better with the open gears. :cool: |
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Location: East Tennessee | Muzza,
You'll like the 18:1 tuning ratio.
This is what I ordered;
I'm putting them on a Martin 000-15S so I wanted to keep that old vintage look. I got the black knobs. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Here's what they should look like.
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Location: South of most, North of few | Except someone put them on upside down. On that guitar, you would have to turn the knob the opposite way from every guitar I've owned to tune it. I believe the worm gear shaft should be above the string shaft, not the below. Orientated like the top set of pics. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Jim,
You are right. I had to go look at my 12 string and make sure. I can't believe someone would make that mistake on a 1926 Martin.
Switched the tuners to the wrong rail. I will have to be careful when I put mine on. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Well the Grovers arrived last week, but the OD of the bushes that came with them was way too small.
One email to Connecticut and, 7 days later, 4 new bushes show up in my letterbox.
Gotta love this place. Thanks JB.
Just gotta put them in the lathe tomorrow and ream them out a little.
Any suggestions from the bottom feeders group on how to fill/hide the holes from the original machines? |
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Location: Corpus Christi, TX | One suggestion if I may. If the mounting screws don't match the existing holes be sure to drill "pilot" holes for the new screws. I know they are small and install easily but they can put stress on the headstock and cause cracking. Changed the tuners on my epi 30 years ago and didn't drill pilot holes and the headstock now has three grain cracks. Thank goodness it has a laminated face and can be reaired with out braking the head stock apart and glueing.
Maybe the pilot holes are not necessary but I'd rather be safe than sorry. |
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Location: East Tennessee | I would also recommend checking the length of the screws vs the old ones . I didn't and now have two small repairs to make on the inside of the outer rail. Cosmetic but a stupid mistake on my part. I did mention it to stewmac. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Bushes drilled out and inserted.
Grovers fitted.
Strings on.
What a great guitar. |
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Location: SoCal | Uh, can you say "pictures"? |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Tonight. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Here's mine.
Sorry not an "O". |
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Location: East Tennessee | Sorry double post :confused: |
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Location: Right now? | Those look great on that Martin, Mike. I really like 'em. The top photos don't really do them justice but one sure can appreciate them on the guitar. A brave endeavor ...
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Location: Phoenix AZ | WOW that IS nice ... |
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Location: East Tennessee | The guitar is a 000-15S. All Mahogany satin finish. I bought the guitar used and has some wear. I thought these would keep with the old time look. Just like the guy who plays it. :D |
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