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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-15 8:51 PM (#369706)
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See?

I had just looked-up something in the Archive...
I came back a few minutes later and.... Huh? :eek:
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Patch
Posted 2010-06-15 9:04 PM (#369707 - in reply to #369706)
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It's offline now. And here I got all excited.
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Slipkid
Posted 2010-06-15 9:18 PM (#369708 - in reply to #369706)
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It's up for now.

At first I thought someone goofed up.
Then I read the copy and "got it".


Ovation... go against the grain
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Patch
Posted 2010-06-15 9:19 PM (#369709 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Patch:
It's offline now. And here I got all excited.
It's back now. And I'm excited again. :cool:
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Patch
Posted 2010-06-15 9:20 PM (#369710 - in reply to #369706)
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CUSTOM SHOP!!!!!!!!
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2ifbyC
Posted 2010-06-15 9:23 PM (#369711 - in reply to #369706)
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I just got back from the 'new' site. Go to 'PRODUCTS' and then 'ARCHIVED GUITARS'.

I had hit an ol' 'Discontinued Models' tab and then *poof*. Talk 'bout panic... All is well now... phew...

NOTE: Don't forget to sign up for the new E-Newsletter!
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TAFKAR
Posted 2010-06-15 9:37 PM (#369712 - in reply to #369706)
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So there's a brand new website, launched today which still shows an Adamas 1687 as a current model. Al, can you actually buy a 1687 new without going to the custom shop?
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stephent28
Posted 2010-06-15 9:43 PM (#369713 - in reply to #369706)
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Did I miss it or is it also missing the most iconic electric made?????

The Breadwinner and Deacon..........
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2010-06-15 9:53 PM (#369714 - in reply to #369706)
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I would like to think this new webpage is a "work in progress" and not a finished product. No section on collectors and the archived section sucked, covering mostly Celebs (and the pics they had of other guitars were terrible).

But a lot of the site was very good. Easy to navigate. Easy to read.

But hopefully a work in progress.....
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2ifbyC
Posted 2010-06-15 9:56 PM (#369715 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I would like to think this new webpage is a "work in progress" and not a finished product.
Me too... Al isn't listed as a dealer!!! :eek:
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Waskel
Posted 2010-06-15 10:03 PM (#369716 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I would like to think this new webpage is a "work in progress" and not a finished product.
Me too... Al isn't listed as a dealer!!! :eek:
Sure he is.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2010-06-15 10:11 PM (#369717 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Waskel:
Sure he is.
My bad... I went to the 'Buy It!' button... he's not listed there...
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G8r
Posted 2010-06-15 10:18 PM (#369718 - in reply to #369706)
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I like it. Nice change, nice update. I'm sure it'll get better as they tweak it from people's feedback.
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cholloway
Posted 2010-06-15 10:28 PM (#369719 - in reply to #369706)
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and they finally have a section for cases w/ MSRP.

I didn't realize the 9155 Bass cases were the most expensive of all.
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stephent28
Posted 2010-06-15 10:34 PM (#369720 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by cholloway:
I didn't realize the 9155 Bass cases were the most expensive of all.
Indeed!
Thanks to Dave finding a listing on eBay, I was able to pick one up for cheap and then modified it to fit my 2080D longneck slothead 12 string!

I had held off getting a hardshell cause the only ones that actually fit were custom made and in the $400+ price range.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-15 11:47 PM (#369721 - in reply to #369706)
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Well TAKE THAT!! (sound of a smack) you square-backed wood world!!!.

Now THAT'S what I call a website, and I've been designing sites for nearly 20 years and I work with one of the best designers in the industry.

HOME Eff'n RUN Ovation !!!!!

Oh sure.. this model is missing, or they need to tweak this or that... but the MESSAGE is clear.

FINALLY pages like this and this are OUT FRONT, NOT HIDDEN with CLEAR and CONCISE info.

Think of all the times the answers were "Yes, they are made in CT, or the USA," "YES they are handcrafted," "Yes, they are round for a reason" "Yes, they've been doing it that way since the 60's" "Yes they were the first"... and many more are answered right up front. FINALLY !!!!

One rule I have for designing and evaluating websites is my 15 second rule. I should be able to know everything I need to know about what the company or service the site is about within the first 15 seconds. Not in detail, but the major stuff. Who, what, where, when, why, how etc..

Cudos to the designers for knocking it out of the park. I made the above assessment off of those first 15 seconds.

I'm gonna head back to go exploring..... :)
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-16 12:10 AM (#369722 - in reply to #369706)
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Wow wow wow wow wow...

Current artists, interviews, clips, Ovation events, artist events...

So far I've only found one question that isn't readily answered and that's "What's the difference between the Celebrity, Adamas and Applause lines besides price.

Now I know (based on posts above) that some folks wish there was more info on stuff they don't make any more. Well, maybe it's coming, maybe it isn't. There are certainly some tweaks to make such as noting that while the Event in New Haven is a little over 2000 miles away, the upcoming event in Wisconsin is over 7000 miles away (oops), but seriously... for the average Joe looking up the Ovation Guitars at the company site for the first time... maybe interested in a model they saw in a store, or an artist they saw IN 2010 !!!!... nicely done.

For the rest... well.. hey.. That's what the Ovation FanClub&trade is for. :)
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-16 12:39 AM (#369723 - in reply to #369706)
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Well, it's a great start.
There are a few boo-boos but they can work it out.
If they want assistance, I'll help. :D

Some of the photos are wrong on the OP-24 and the OP-24+C but they might fix that.
And it will take me a while to figure-out the new Archive layout.
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Omaha
Posted 2010-06-16 12:57 AM (#369724 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Now THAT'S what I call a website
It sure is. That is truly exceptional. Bravo.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-16 1:44 AM (#369725 - in reply to #369706)
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There are a lot of subliminal elements too. I didn't notice right away that the backgrounds are textured like fiber. The more I look, the more I like. Again, some typos and such, but that's the easy part.

The investment in this site really speaks volumes on Fender's commitment to the brand. At least for now..
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Omaha
Posted 2010-06-16 1:58 AM (#369726 - in reply to #369706)
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The biggest of the nits in my mind is that products are listed alphabetically. As a result (to point out one way that doesn't work), the OpPro Studio pre-amp is down at the bottom of page 3 on the Electronics section, while the Op24 is on page 1. They need to come up with a sorting mechanism that defaults to "Best/most important first".

Same thing happens with guitars, where you don't get to the good stuff (the premium, USA made models) until page 4...(Adamas models excepted...they come up first).

In both cases, some better drop-downs with sorting options would be a quick fix.

They might also consider adding a very brief (40 to 60 character) description of the guitars. On page 5, they have four Folklore models side by side. They all look virtually identical visually. They all have identical MSRP values. The only way to learn how one differs from the other is to click through individually to see the specs/descriptions. A short description would help.

But as you have said, these are nits that can be easily addressed. And they in no way detract from the fact that this new site is orders of magnitude better than the previous version.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2010-06-16 2:09 AM (#369727 - in reply to #369706)
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Very Nice!
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Trader Jim
Posted 2010-06-16 5:26 AM (#369728 - in reply to #369706)
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Anything would be an improvement over the old one.
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sypolog
Posted 2010-06-16 6:13 AM (#369729 - in reply to #369706)
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My bookmark, that was to a specific page, brought me up the new, somewhat feisty 404 page. I'll let others find it themselves!

Unfortunately, when genuinely looking for an Ovation, I don't want to be told to look for a 'guitar that doesn't suck'!

Other than that, yes, a much nicer more contemporary feel. I noticed some discrepancies with the photos of the C779LX, which were mainly of a Legend rather than a CL.

Last thing - it all seems much, much slooooower now. :(
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2010-06-16 8:22 AM (#369730 - in reply to #369706)
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I like it. When they add Deacon to the archive, they should buy Damon's pix from him to use. Same for some others I bet.
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Patch
Posted 2010-06-16 8:57 AM (#369731 - in reply to #369706)
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Well, the Ovation Facebook page said it was going to be a big week. Wonder if anything else is in store? (How's that for sounding like late Christmas afternoon? :D )
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-06-16 9:01 AM (#369732 - in reply to #369706)
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Great start. There are a lot of models I know nothing about. Must be some young folks in the web shop. Good websites are always works in progress. Some of us have experience with their custom shop. They're great. Dealer intervention is required and Al has always been able to get it done for me.
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bvince
Posted 2010-06-16 9:44 AM (#369733 - in reply to #369706)
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I like the phrase "Go against the grain". I think that will catch the eye of a lot of young people. There's a reason you are seeing a lot of body piercings and tattoos nowadays. Perhaps they should call the guitar archives section "the old guy's page" (:

Looks like we're discovering that SOME Change is good.
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Auriemma
Posted 2010-06-16 1:01 PM (#369734 - in reply to #369706)
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Great... so much for seeing it work anymore. It doesn't support IE6. Nice.

And I don't get a new computer until next year.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-06-16 1:27 PM (#369735 - in reply to #369706)
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Can't you just run Firefox or something else ?
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-16 1:43 PM (#369736 - in reply to #369706)
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I don't use IE, but I have it. It keeps asking me if I wanna upgrade to IE8.
Joe, you should be able to upgrade for free!

But I recommend http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/
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AstroDan
Posted 2010-06-16 1:44 PM (#369737 - in reply to #369706)
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Can't see it. I'm at work and the error message says the site does not support IE 6...

edit**** Oops, I see the same post already! ;)
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-16 1:58 PM (#369738 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I don't use IE, but I have it. It keeps asking me if I wanna upgrade to IE8.
Joe, you should be able to upgrade for free!

But I recommend http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/

Firefox eats IE for lunch!
Switching to Firefox made my internet experience sooo much better.
And it was recommended by a fellow OFC'r and I appreciate it! :cool:
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-16 2:15 PM (#369739 - in reply to #369706)
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The wave of the future at the moment (and I do mean at this moment) does NOT include IE. I have some reliable info, easily checked, that much of the new online technology (drupal and such) that the W3C is in the process of looking at for the HTML5 standard does NOT work on IE.

I just checked the OvationGuitars site, which seems to use some of the new standards (cudos). Firefox, Safari and Chrome, all on a PC, but does NOT work with IE.

It also works ok (not formatted correctly but works) in Opera on my phone, but not IE.
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Omaha
Posted 2010-06-16 3:49 PM (#369740 - in reply to #369706)
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IE is a virus.
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Waskel
Posted 2010-06-16 4:01 PM (#369741 - in reply to #369706)
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Or at least a bad cold.
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bvince
Posted 2010-06-16 4:13 PM (#369742 - in reply to #369706)
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I'd like to see the Guitar Archives section re-indexed by model types i.e., all the different Elites,Legends,Custom Legends(I only saw one on the site)Celebs, Baladeers, Classicals, Folklores, Solid Body Electrics, Jazz Guitars, Basses, and so on. To someone not knowing the model numbers, it's a bit confusing.
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Slipkid
Posted 2010-06-16 4:32 PM (#369743 - in reply to #369706)
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for detailed historical information to be added. That's the past. This has the feel of a full-out brand re-boot. Let's be glad of that.
Re-boots can be good. Look at Star Trek.

That being said... the site seems to lack info about Adamas.
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G8r
Posted 2010-06-16 4:56 PM (#369744 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Slipkid:
Re-boots can be good. Look at Star Trek.
Excellent analogy.
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Posted 2010-06-16 5:29 PM (#369745 - in reply to #369706)
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What on the new OVATION site doesn't work with IE?

Have checked on 2 PC's here both running IE7 (won't install IE8 as that is a Vista/Windows7 bugfest...) and haven't found any pages so far that won't load or contain 'weirdnesses'.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-06-16 5:49 PM (#369746 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Avatar4550:
What on the new OVATION site doesn't work with IE? Have checked on 2 PC's here both running IE7
It won't run on IE6.
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RNickels
Posted 2010-06-16 5:52 PM (#369747 - in reply to #369706)
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Runs perfect on Google Chrome.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-16 6:10 PM (#369748 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by Avatar4550:
What on the new OVATION site doesn't work with IE? Have checked on 2 PC's here both running IE7
It won't run on IE6.
IE6 came with Windows98, right? (I liked that maze screen-saver that came with W98! :eek: )

"Re-boots can be good. Look at Star Trek."
I thought the Reboots were on Doctor Who.
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Auriemma
Posted 2010-06-17 8:24 AM (#369749 - in reply to #369706)
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I can see if from MY laptop, but the company one is locked down... not upgradeable. So no more research from the office.

Why Ovation blocked IE6 does make me curious.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-06-17 8:40 AM (#369750 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Auriemma:
the company one is locked down... not upgradeable. So no more research from the office.
Bastards
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Posted 2010-06-17 12:38 PM (#369751 - in reply to #369706)
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Website works on the iPhone, but only in the full website mode. They need to push it out to a mobile device format as well if they want to get in sync with the majority of their target markets.
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Posted 2010-06-17 2:06 PM (#369752 - in reply to #369706)
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Yep.
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Darkbar
Posted 2010-06-17 2:48 PM (#369753 - in reply to #369706)
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If you click on Players, then click on Al Di Meola, there's one video of him. Funny, he's not playing an Ovation.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2010-06-17 3:50 PM (#369754 - in reply to #369706)
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There's another video with the same situation....
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-17 5:22 PM (#369755 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Auriemma:
Why Ovation blocked IE6 does make me curious.
They blocked it so they don't have to answer a bunch of questions about they it looks they way it would if you were able to view in IE6.

We have the same issue where I work with an application that doesn't work on a MAC browser. If you bypass the "you must use IE" (in our case) all you get is a blank screen. So rather than give the customers a blank screen, they are provided information on what will work. I'm sure it's a similar situation with Ovation.

And lets face it. If you are still using IE6, than the fine enterprising folks in China and Russia have access to your bank accounts and it won't be long before you can't afford a guitar anyway. :)
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TJR
Posted 2010-06-17 7:00 PM (#369756 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by dark bar:
If you click on Players, then click on Al Di Meola, there's one video of him. Funny, he's not playing an Ovation.
Same for this artist too. Luthea Salom
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-17 8:05 PM (#369757 - in reply to #369706)
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This listing for a 1778LX has photos of a Celebrity for $2,499!



No "LX" TRC and you can see that the preamp is an OP4BT with a separate door for the battery.
See the little teeny abalone micro-dot fret markers? Screw-cap covers on the bridge?
Hey Kim, John, any of you other MotherShip folks who read this Forum...
There are alot of boo-boos in the new site.
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Waskel
Posted 2010-06-17 8:08 PM (#369758 - in reply to #369706)
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They wanted to retain the spirit and feel of the old site.
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Posted 2010-06-17 8:13 PM (#369759 - in reply to #369706)
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I don't see the 1537 listed in the guitar archive either.
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Posted 2010-06-17 8:14 PM (#369760 - in reply to #369706)
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The 1537 does come up in a search tho'.
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Darkbar
Posted 2010-06-17 8:53 PM (#369761 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:

Hey Kim, John, any of you other MotherShip folks who read this Forum...
There are alot of boo-boos in the new site.
Jeez, I wasn't trying to knock the site....it looks great. My only point was that DiMeola has his own Signature Ovation. Shouldn't a video on the Ovation site have him playing THAT instead of a wood box?
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Posted 2010-06-19 8:23 AM (#369762 - in reply to #369706)
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Site looks great on my Mac :>)

Obviously this new website portends good things to come for our favorite brand.
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Posted 2010-06-19 9:44 AM (#369763 - in reply to #369706)
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I'm missing the historical charts: date codes, collectors edition specs etc. or has anyone found them?

Bernie
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-06-19 9:52 AM (#369764 - in reply to #369706)
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Looks to me that their focus is to break from the past, and concentrate on the future. Probably a good move. Hurts to admit it but their future is the youth of this world, not old farts like me.
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Posted 2010-06-20 6:16 PM (#369765 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:


Now THAT'S what I call a website, and I've been designing sites for nearly 20 years and I work with one of the best designers in the industry.

Really. Then I would not hire either of you. I just went to the Ovation website after a long absence and was shocked at how stark and sterile it appears.

The website is supposed to entice the reader, to make him want to investigate the product, to want to learn more and finally, how can I get one. What I see looks like an ebay listing with the conspicuous absence of the phrase, "near mint."

If one is familiar with the brand, knows what he wants and is perusing what is available, it'll serve that need. If, however, one is on the fence about Ovations or has no knowledge of the brand, this is not going to make him want one.
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TAFKAR
Posted 2010-06-20 7:17 PM (#369766 - in reply to #369706)
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I finally looked at it on my Mac over the weekend. Now I see what it's supposed to look like. On my PC at work in both IE and Firefox the formatting is all over the place.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2010-06-20 8:24 PM (#369767 - in reply to #369706)
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I'm using Foxfire and it comes up just fine.

71Jasper, I'm curious. How old are you? No games here, but I'm guessing that you're over 40 and maybe over 50. I agree with Gallerinski that the website is directed more towards 35 and under.....
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marenostrum
Posted 2010-06-21 12:28 PM (#369768 - in reply to #369706)
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I have vista and using google chrome. So far everything looks fine.
Still have to practice myself with the new website ... you know, thing always change and we have to move on.
However, first impression of the new site was somehow "warm"; but what do I know ...
:confused: :)
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71Jasper
Posted 2010-06-21 5:16 PM (#369769 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:


71Jasper, I'm curious. How old are you? No games here, but I'm guessing that you're over 40 and maybe over 50. I agree with Gallerinski that the website is directed more towards 35 and under.....
Oh yeah, no doubt. And I got my first BS degree in '71 so you know where that puts me demographically. But I'm not about to dye my hair, go to movies about vampires and have sleeves tattooed on my arms so I can fit in. Perhaps they are targeting the youth market. My point is simply that Ovation is not going to lure my disposable income with that website.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2010-06-21 6:51 PM (#369770 - in reply to #369706)
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Either you were a child prodigy or it's good to see someone older than me other than at his funeral. It's nice if you have hair you could dye if you chose to. The big spenders are all young these days, so that's where the advertising is directed. I just bought a brown car and some youngster (soon to be 40) told me brown cars are for old people. I assume these people borrow the money they spend so freely or get it from their parents, but they sure seem to keep the economy going. Marketing has to cater to them primarily. Guys like Al will still talk to guys like me on the phone and answer questions about what is available.
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standing
Posted 2010-06-21 10:27 PM (#369771 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Weaser P:
The 1537 does come up in a search tho'.
2080 doesn't tho'
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GaryB
Posted 2010-06-21 11:24 PM (#369772 - in reply to #369706)
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I assume these people borrow the money they spend so freely or get it from their parents, but they sure seem to keep the economy going.
It's funny that the over 50 crowd has the most disposable income, but the marketing folks at Ovation have cleverly summised that they 'dispose' of it through their under 35 kids.

I found it a bit difficult to maneuver around the new website, but I suppose it's just that I'm used to the old one, that, and a few kinks here and there. Took me a while to get used to DOS too.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-21 11:45 PM (#369773 - in reply to #369706)
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I just realized how impoverished I was as a child...
These companies all market to children.
When I was a kid I was lucky if I had a bicycle.
My second bicycle cost $6 at the Thrift Store.
Nowadays a child is neglected if he/she doesn't have a cell phone.
These poor kids need to be able to get online to research their homework.
And if they don't have a laptop they cannot attend school cuz the Books are on the laptop.

But now the Guitar industry is driven by the whims of 8 to 14 year-old children.

(Man, I'm starting to sound like my Grandfather! :rolleyes: )
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Patch
Posted 2010-06-22 10:59 AM (#369774 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:

Man, I'm starting to sound like my Grandfather! :rolleyes:
Weird, I'm starting to sound like your grandfather too.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2010-06-22 12:28 PM (#369775 - in reply to #369706)
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It's not age, it's a mind set.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-22 1:23 PM (#369776 - in reply to #369706)
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Oh! That's Cool. I still think like a teenager.

And it my dreams I have all my hair and all my teeth and my beard is still red.
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WillaMuse
Posted 2010-06-28 4:15 PM (#369777 - in reply to #369706)
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I like some of it; not all of it. I am presuming it's a work in progress. It would also be nice to have a user/owner area where people could post reviews, photos of their gits, etc. I am in the minority here, but I kind of liked the old site. Besides, if I want REAL information, I go to Jerome's site ...

;)
Willa
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RNickels
Posted 2010-06-28 5:01 PM (#369778 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by WillaMuse:
I like some of it; not all of it. I am presuming it's a work in progress. It would also be nice to have a user/owner area where people could post reviews, photos of their gits, etc. I am in the minority here, but I kind of liked the old site. Besides, if I want REAL information, I go to Jerome's site ...
+1 to that! I agree with Willa, I liked the old site much better but I have to think this is a work in progress as many things are incorrect and even more are just plain not there!
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-28 7:19 PM (#369779 - in reply to #369706)
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Just some perspective.. there are essentially three kinds of websites. Marketing, Information, and Sales. While there is some cross-over, such as a Marketing or Information site that sells stuff, sites fall into one of these three categories and that's it.

Regardless of intention, which I have no knowledge of, the previous site was an Information site and the new one seems to be a Marketing site.

The previous site had some aspects of Marketing, but it was an Information site. This new site has some information/historic stuff, but it's focused on marketing.

It makes perfect sense when you think about it that some people who go to the new site looking for information, aren't going to find it. They are going to focus on what they are selling NOW, who's playing them NOW. Someday I assume their may be more historic info, and research info, but that's not the focus of the site.

Again, what "their" vision is may be totally different, but as a developer, it looks like they made a paradigm shift. Information was nice, but now they are looking at Marketing (e.g. Selling) which I think is much better. You want information, Dave, Al, Jerome and Myself have spent years collecting the information, and if you use Google or the Custom Google Search here, you'll find all the info you need, much more than Ovation/Fender could ever afford to provide.

You want to find out what the latest news on the latest models currently available and whose playing them, and where to buy them, that's what OvationGuitars.com is for.

Just my 2 pence.. your mileage may vary.
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WillaMuse
Posted 2010-06-28 9:43 PM (#369780 - in reply to #369706)
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I agree, BUT if all things were perfect, the viewer of the website looking for information just might decide, upon perusing the completely hypothetical 'perfect website", to return to that website, having learned something and ultimately end up buying a guitar based on that newly discovered information. I don't know about everyone, but I research the hell out of everything I buy.

I think both aspects are important ~ marketing and information, not to mention owners input! You are right, people can go and find information by surfing the web, but not all Joe Blow's are computer savvy and the first place those types are going to look at is the 'official' site.
To me, the new site is like visiting Sam Ash or something ... I'm not sure what it's missing, besides the obvious things that others have mentioned, but as the lay person checking the new 'place' out, I know what I like, and I'm not liking it.

I also don't like how, if you search out a particular archived guitar, you get sent to a page with a goofy guy banging on a guitar saying "OOops", but doesn't really direct you anywhere else.

If they are planning on adding/finishing the site, they sure are taking their time about it. They should leave parts of the old site up, or links to it, until they are finished, because not everyone knows about Jerome's site, haha.

Again, either way, I understand perfectly what you're saying, Miles ... just my two cents ... and I'm a pretty big fan of Ovations and Adamas guitars in case no one noticed ...

;)
Willa
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2010-06-28 10:28 PM (#369781 - in reply to #369706)
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This marketing push is just getting started. Let's wait and see what happens down the road.....
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2010-06-29 8:13 PM (#369782 - in reply to #369706)
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Remember when Al and Miles started the ning site? All of us old farts HATED it! I guess when you're over 50 you have to be dragged kicking and screaming into anything new and unfamiliar...
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fillhixx
Posted 2010-06-29 11:50 PM (#369783 - in reply to #369706)
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Some of us are 'late adopters'....y'know...the only reason they have pushbutton phones is 'cos you can no longer buy a rotary phone!


(I myself have one in the garage, plugged in. When the power goes out I will still be able to phone.....um, who exactly?)
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2010-06-30 2:53 AM (#369784 - in reply to #369706)
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I miss when you could call the Operator and she knew you by name!

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stephent28
Posted 2010-06-30 12:05 PM (#369785 - in reply to #369706)
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OMA, nobody here is that old!
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sycamore
Posted 2010-06-30 12:19 PM (#369786 - in reply to #369706)
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doesn't support my elderly IE 6 browser
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Waskel
Posted 2010-06-30 1:46 PM (#369787 - in reply to #369706)
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Install FireFox.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-30 4:30 PM (#369788 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by stephent28:
OMA, nobody here is that old!
Ummmm errr.. When I was a kid, if I needed to call my parents, or a friend, I would just pick up the phone, wait for the operator to pick up, and say "this is Miles, I want to talk to my mom, she's at so'n so's house"... Or I need to talk to my friend Russell, and the call would go through.

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad about this :(
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-06-30 4:50 PM (#369789 - in reply to #369706)
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Don't recall any operators, but the best I could do was a 4-party line when I moved to the mountains west of Denver in early 1979.
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stephent28
Posted 2010-06-30 5:09 PM (#369790 - in reply to #369706)
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Yep, we had 4-party lines in Houston when I was growing up.....then we went to 2-party lines (which was crazy cause the people who lived across the street from us were the other party)!

It was a glorious day when we got our own private line!

Miles, were you in a small town? That might explain it.
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Dale Lutes
Posted 2010-06-30 5:49 PM (#369791 - in reply to #369706)
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The dealer locator on the new site doesn't seem to work. All I get is a 404 Page not found. Sigh.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2010-06-30 5:55 PM (#369792 - in reply to #369706)
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Yes.. I grew up in a small town. Technically a Village in a Township.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2010-06-30 9:38 PM (#369793 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by fillhixx:
....y'know...the only reason they have pushbutton phones is 'cos you can no longer buy a rotary phone!
Here ya go...

Senior citizen cell phone...



:D
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2010-06-30 9:44 PM (#369794 - in reply to #369706)
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I grew up in a suburb, but the address was Milwaukee 23, Wisconsin. No zips then and our first number was Flagstone4-6775. Does that mean I'm old?
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Waskel
Posted 2010-06-30 11:17 PM (#369795 - in reply to #369706)
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Yeah, pre-dating zip codes sucks.
I was watching Hell's Kitchen the other night and a couple was celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary. 50th!! Wow!!

Then I realized they were married 6 years after I was born...
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Darkbar
Posted 2010-07-01 11:06 AM (#369796 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I grew up in a suburb, but the address was Milwaukee 23, Wisconsin. No zips then and our first number was Flagstone4-6775. Does that mean I'm old?
My dad grew up in a small town. When he was a kid his phone number was 4
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-07-01 5:39 PM (#369797 - in reply to #369706)
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O.k., I think I can win the smallest town award. We lived in Zoar, MA in the early 50's. When my parents moved out to Southern California, the population went from 7 to 2. Only the postmaster/mayor and her daughter remained.
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GaryB
Posted 2010-07-01 9:21 PM (#369798 - in reply to #369706)
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Iffy, you crack me up! :D
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71Jasper
Posted 2010-07-02 10:40 AM (#369799 - in reply to #369706)
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I suppose we'd all find some comfort in living in Andy Hardy's town and time. I must admit, however, that I really like the internet, cell phones, GPS, cable TV and microwave ovens. If that means I'll have to acclimate myself to a new Ovation website, that's a small price to pay.
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WillaMuse
Posted 2010-07-02 6:12 PM (#369800 - in reply to #369706)
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What I think I miss the most are the archives. I hope they get their sh*t together and get it all goin' on ... :(

BTW, Professor:
O.k., I think I can win the smallest town award. We lived in Zoar, MA in the early 50's. When my parents moved out to Southern California, the population went from 7 to 2. Only the postmaster/mayor and her daughter remained.


Yep, You win, ha!

:)
Willa
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AlanM
Posted 2010-07-03 5:45 PM (#369801 - in reply to #369706)
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Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Remember when Al and Miles started the ning site? All of us old farts HATED it! I guess when you're over 50 you have to be dragged kicking and screaming into anything new and unfamiliar...
It could also be that the pace of change is so rapid that I (at least) can't help thinking that YESTERDAY's new and unfamiliar hasn't had sufficient opportunity to become familiar. It's all a bit unsettling when one is constantly trying to acclimate oneself to the newly no longer new, as well as to the new.
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