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Location: Denver, CO | John Lennon's birthday came and passed (yesterday) without mention here. Interesting that one of the most influential singer/songwriter/guitarists of the 20th century slipped silently passed.
A happy birthday mention is certainly not for his benefit but to remind all to whom music is important and necessary that one of the great ones passed far too young. Happy Birthday John. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I have been very aware of it.
How could not not be? It's been all over the media.
Even looking forward to the Lennon bio-pic later this month.
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Perhaps the board was focused with other important matters. |
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Location: Newington, CT | No disrespect intended, but I was just never a fan. Didn't see what all the fuss was about. |
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Location: Denver, CO | Originally posted by AlanM:
No disrespect intended, but I was just never a fan. Didn't see what all the fuss was about. Interesting. Every musician I've ever seen interviewed, major or minor, acknowledges that the Beatles (aka John Lennon) had a major influence on them and their music. He, as a song-writer, singer, guitarist and member of the most influential band of the past century, changed the direction of popular music. That includes every genre of contemporary music for the past 40 years. So you don't have to be a fan of his, but simply a fan of music (which you must be unless you are here simply as a collector of guitars) to appreciate his contribution to music. Unless, of course, you are 10 and don't know the music world and its development at all. |
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Location: Indiana | Originally posted by DenverSteve:
Every musician I've ever seen interviewed, major or minor, acknowledges that the Beatles (aka John Lennon) had a major influence on them and their music. That is an enormously large paint brush you're using... |
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Location: Denver, CO | Here's what much of the fuss was/is about. :)
A Day In The Life (Lennon-McCartney)
A Hard Day´s Night (Lennon-McCartney)
Across The Universe (Lennon-McCartney)
Aisumasen (I´m Sorry) (Lennon)
All I´ve Got to Do (Lennon-McCartney)
All Together Now (Lennon-McCartney)
All You Need Is Love (Lennon-McCartney)
And Your Bird Can Sing (Lennon-McCartney)
Angela (Lennon-Ono)
Any Time At All (Lennon-McCartney)
Ask Me Why (Lennon-McCartney)
Attica State (Lennon-Ono)
Au (Lennon-Ono)
Baby, You´re A Rich Man (Lennon-McCartney)
Baby´s Heartbeat (Lennon)
Baby´s In Black (Lennon-McCartney)
Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) (Lennon)
Because (Lennon-McCartney)
Beef Jerky (Lennon)
Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite (Lennon-McCartney)
Bless You (Lennon)
Borrowed Time (Lennon)
Bring On The Lucie (Freda People) (Lennon)
Cambridge 1969 (Lennon)
Christmas Time Is Here Again (Lennon-McCartney/Harrison/Starkey)
Cleanup Time (Lennon)
Cold Turkey (Lennon)
Come Together (Lennon-McCartney)
Cookin´ (in the Kitchen of Love) (Lennon)
Crippled Inside (Lennon)
Cry Baby Cry (Lennon-McCartney)
Cry For a Shadow (Harrison-Lennon)
Dear John (Lennon)
Dear Prudence (Lennon-McCartney)
Dear Yoko (Lennon)
Dig A Pony (Lennon-McCartney)
Dig It (Lennon-McCartney/Harrison/Starkey)
Do the Oz (Lennon-Ono)
Do You Want To Know A Secret (Lennon-McCartney)
Don´t Let Me Down (Lennon-McCartney)
Dr Robert (Lennon-McCartney)
Everybody´s Got Something To Hide Except For Me And My Monkey (Lennon-McCartney)
Fame (Bowie-Lennon-Alomar)
Flying (Harrison-Lennon-McCartney-Starkey)
Free As A Bird (Lennon)
Girl (Lennon-McCartney)
Give Me Some Truth (Lennon)
Give Peace A Chance (Lennon-McCartney)
Glass Onion (Lennon-McCartney)
God (Lennon)
God Save Oz (Lennon-Ono)
Going Down On Love (Lennon)
Good Morning Good Morning (Lennon-McCartney)
Good Night (Lennon-McCartney)
Goodnight Vienna (Lennon)
Grow Old With Me (Lennon)
Happiness Is A Warm Gun (Lennon-McCartney)
Happy X-mas (War is Over) (Lennon-Ono)
Hello Little Girl (Lennon)
Help Me To Help Myself (Lennon)
Help! (Lennon-McCartney)
Here We Go Again (Lennon-Spector)
Hey Bulldog (Lennon-McCartney)
Hold On (Lennon)
How Do You Sleep? (Lennon)
How? (Lennon)
I Am The Walrus (Lennon-McCartney)
I Don´t Wanna Be a Soldier (Lennon)
I Don´t Wanna Face It (Lennon)
I Don´t Wanna Spoil The Party (Lennon-McCartney)
I Feel Fine (Lennon-McCartney)
I Found Out (Lennon)
I Know (I Know) (Lennon)
I Should Have Known Better (Lennon-McCartney)
I Wanna Be Your Man (Lennon-McCartney)
I Want You (She´s So Heavy) (Lennon-McCartney)
I´ll Be Back (Lennon-McCartney)
I´ll Cry Instead (Lennon-McCartney)
I´m a Loser (Lennon-McCartney)
I´m Happy Just To Dance With You (Lennon-McCartney)
I´m Losing You (Lennon)
I´m Only Sleeping (Lennon-McCartney)
I´m So Tired (Lennon-McCartney)
I´m Stepping Out (Lennon)
I´m the Greatest (Lennon)
I´ve Got A Feeling (Lennon-McCartney)
If I Fell (Lennon-McCartney)
Imagine (Lennon)
In My Life (Lennon-McCartney)
Instant Karma! (Lennon)
Intuition (Lennon)
Isolation (Lennon)
It Won´t Be Long (Lennon-McCartney)
It´s Only Love (Lennon-McCartney)
It´s Real (Lennon)
It's So Hard (Lennon)
Jamrag (Lennon-Ono)
Jealous Guy (Lennon)
John And Yoko (Lennon)
John Sinclair (Lennon)
Julia (Lennon-McCartney)
Life Begins At 40 (Lennon)
Little Child (Lennon-McCartney)
Loneliness (Lennon)
Look At Me (Lennon)
Love (Lennon)
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (Lennon-McCartney)
Mean Mr Mustard (Lennon-McCartney)
Meat City (Lennon)
Mind Games (Lennon)
Misery (Lennon-McCartney)
Mother (Lennon)
Move Over Ms. L (Lennon)
Mr Hyde´s Gone (Don´t Be Afraid) (Lennon)
Mucho Mungo (Lennon)
Mulberry (Lennon)
My Life (Lennon)
My Mummy's Dead (Lennon)
New York City (Lennon)
No Reply (Lennon-McCartney)
No. 9 Dream (Lennon)
Nobody Loves You (When You´re Down And Out) (Lennon)
Nobody Told Me (Lennon)
Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown) (Lennon-McCartney)
Not A Second Time (Lennon-McCartney)
Nowhere Man (Lennon-McCartney)
Nutopian International Anthem (Lennon)
Oh My Love (Lennon-Ono)
Oh Yoko! (Lennon)
Old Dirt Road (Lennon-Nilsson)
One After 909 (Lennon-McCartney)
One Day (At The Time) (Lennon)
Only People (Lennon)
Out the Blue (Lennon)
Please Please Me (Lennon-McCartney)
Polythene Pam (Lennon-McCartney)
Power To The People (Lennon)
Radio Play (Lennon)
Rain (Lennon-McCartney)
Real Love (Lennon)
Remember (Lennon)
Remember Love (Lennon)
Revolution (Lennon-McCartney)
Revolution 1 (Lennon-McCartney)
Revolution 9 (Lennon-McCartney)
Rock´n´Roll People (Lennon)
Run For Your Life (Lennon-McCartney)
Scared (Lennon)
Scumbag (Lennon-Ono-Zappa)
Serve Yourself (Lennon)
Sexy Sadie (Lennon-McCartney)
She Loves You (Lennon-McCartney)
She Said She Said (Lennon-McCartney)
Song For John (Lennon)
Steel And Glass (Lennon)
Stranger´s Room (Lennon)
Strawberry Fields Forever (Lennon-McCartney)
Sun King (Lennon)
Sunday Bloody Sunday (Lennon-Ono)
Surprise, Surprise (Sweet Bird Of Paradox) (Lennon)
Tell Me Why (Lennon-McCartney)
The Ballad of John and Yoko (Lennon-McCartney)
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill (Lennon-McCartney)
The Luck Of The Irish (Lennon-Ono)
The Rishi Kesh Song (Lennon)
The Word (Lennon-McCartney)
There´s a Place (Lennon-McCartney)
This Boy (Lennon-McCartney)
Ticket To Ride (Lennon-McCartney)
Tight A$ (Lennon)
Tomorrow Never Knows (Lennon-McCartney)
Touch Me (Lennon)
Two Minutes Silence (Lennon)
Two Virgins (Lennon)
Wait (Lennon-McCartney)
Watching The Wheels (Lennon)
Well Well Well (Lennon)
What Goes On (Lennon-McCartney)
What You Got (Lennon)
Whatever Gets You Through The Night (Lennon)
When I Get Home (Lennon-McCartney)
Why (Lennon)
Woman (Lennon)
Woman Is The Nigger Of The World (Lennon-Ono)
Working Class Hero (Lennon)
Yer Blues (Lennon-McCartney)
You Are Here (Lennon)
You Can´t Do That (Lennon-McCartney)
You´re Going to Lose that Girl (Lennon-McCartney)
You´ve Got to Hide Your Love Away (Lennon-McCartney) |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Guess you never interviewed me either. There are some Beatles songs I like. Much more interested in the stuff McCartney, Harrison and Ringo did after they broke up. Sorry, I don't get the Lennon thing either. The Beatles and specifically Lennon do get mentioned as a major influence for many.... and I still don't understand why. |
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Location: closely held secret | I think it's more because the Beatles had such an influence on pop music in general. The number of songs they had in airplay was enough to produce hundreds of bands trying to capture their sound. The problem was, they kept changing that sound. A moving target is hard to hit.
There were many other bands that also had a hand in what rock sounds like today, but none seemed to have had the wide appeal of the Beatles.
While many of the Lennon Beatles songs are among my favorites, his post-Beatles music (other than a select few songs - Instant Karma, #9 Dream, Watchin the Wheels) never really did anything for me other than depress me. He always put down the notion that being part of the Beatles drove his creativity, but the quality of the material he produced after the breakup says otherwise.
Of course, he's frozen in time now. We never got to see what he might have done as he aged, mellowed and got off his social change bandwagon. Maybe written more songs the caliber of "Dear Prudence" and "Day In The Life"?
And DenverSteve... I doubt most Beatle fans have heard many of the post-beatle songs you have listed. We got tired of being screamed at and preached to by a very troubled and drugged-up pop star with an over-inflated view of his own influence. His 'legend' is more nostalgia than substance.
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Location: Newington, CT | Again TRULY no disrespect meant here. I agree with dark bar. Lennon was overrated, I think. I say this fully aware that I could be wrong.
Like Mr. Ovation, I liked a few of their songs, but none were favorites. However, where my cavil lies is in the adulation for Lennon as social commentator. I think that if you were to take all his lyrics out of the realm of social commentary, then he wouldn't be nearly as admired as he is today. In other words, I don't think that the adulation for him is based on his music as much as on the perception of Lennon as the primary spokesman for some gauzy, ill-defined, amorphous vision of I-like-you-you-like-me, ephemeral vision of "world peace."
Also, JMHO, none of his melodies were anything all that remarkable, or sophisticated or ground-breaking, or, more importantly, worthy of singling out as a major contribution to music in general.
There were, I think, two major "indictments" of Lennon as important contributor to art or public policy: (1) the song CONSTANTLY mentioned as his finest legacy, "Imagine," always struck me as a good candidate for the most inane, insipid, silly, just-plain-dumb song ever written. (2) A song I always liked (for its melody) was "Give Peace a Chance."
Some of the lyrics for "Give Pdace a Chance' were: "All we are saying is give peace a chance." I'm pretty sure that I was not alone in recognizing that that was pretty much all they were saying.
I figured that if they brought their wide-eyed idealism to some of the major actors of the time, these people would have recognized them for what they were: useful idiots in the west.
I'm thinking of, of course, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Saddam Hussein (in power as of 1968), Brezhnev, Mao, etc...some of the most vicious tyrants of the century. Again, all they were saying was, "give peace a chance." And yet, these songs are the ones most highlighted as the bulk of Lennon's legacy.
And, lest one say that I'm reading too much into it, Lennon himself viewed himself as a major commentator on his times, and on the personalities mentioned above.
I was underwhelmed. |
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| Well, I would say his influence, and the Beatles as a whole, is HUGE. Of course, people who die too young or in a tragic way are usually overrated. As single artists, I would agree with
Waskel that I find the work of the other three as post Beatles much more interesting. I would have liked to see, once he removed himself from the self-imposed cross, what music John Lennon would have produced. Too much of his post Beatles music focused on John the activist celebrity, instead of John the songwriter and singer. He produced a lot of crap on his post Beales albums, and a few very good songs. Personally, I love the Beatles music and the play it all the time. Also, post Beatles music by Harrison, especially, can be found all over my ipod. |
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Location: Denver, CO | I admire John Lennon's contribution to music. I've never thought of him as anything but a great poet and writer. Whether he is considered to be the spokesperson for a "gauzy, ill-defined, amorphous vision of I-like-you-you-like-me, ephemeral vision of world peace." I don't know. However I respect anyone who advocates for peace, equality and world harmony. Advocates for such noble causes plant the seeds for others to act upon, they don't actually create world peace or harmony. John's membership in the "fab four" - I believe - leaves, even today, an undeniable presence in modern music. |
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Location: NJ | Well as my mother would always say, there is chocolate AND vanilla.
Lennon choose to use his celebrity to bring attention to the causes he felt most strongly about. world peace, the end of war etc. Idealistic, perhaps but an intentional effort to focus on the needs of the world and its inhabitants as a whole.
Lennon was always my favorite Beatle, the one I felt was the most honest and had the most edge. McCartney's songs lost something without John's edge to drive them.
With that being said he also took risks. Doing music with Yoko, and trying to take things to another level. When you bought a solo Lennon LP you never got the feeling that any of the songs were written with the intention of being on the radio or being hits but they were there and just stood out for you to evaluate and enjoy or not.
With that said, yes not all of the stuff was listenable. And some outright horrible, if you take away the "artistic" part of the equation. But I am glad that he did it, even those records opened my mind to listen to composers that were not in the norm and unconventional.
I too think the iconic level that he is held at is rather uncomfortable and I would venture to say that he would also think so too, but again he used his celebrity to influence causes that were near to him. did it work, well probably not but then again if we look at the regard in which he is currently held then it did work. His message and legacy of world peace is brought out at any opportunity to promote it. Rather powerful IMHO.
I saw a blurb on Nobel and his prize. He invented many things that most influential was TNT. When his brother died the newspaper mistook it for him and call him the biggest merchant of death to modern man. He saw that as a sign to do something and directed his money in the Nobel prize which promoted literature, science, and ultimately peace.
Lennon did not need to do this. He lived his legacy and it followed him
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Originally posted by DenverSteve:
Interesting. Every musician I've ever seen interviewed, major or minor, acknowledges that the Beatles (aka John Lennon) had a major influence on them and their music. They say the same thing about Michael Jackson. |
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Location: Newington, CT | alpep: agreed, and thanks for the additional perspective. I feel that I should add: to murder him was just a horrible thing.
I agree that it's just a good thing to try to promote world peace, or diminish violence, or defeat hunger and disease, and that, effective or not, those who work sincerely toward those goals should be applauded.
There is no indication that Lennon was anything but sincere. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by cholloway:
Originally posted by DenverSteve:
Interesting. Every musician I've ever seen interviewed, major or minor, acknowledges that the Beatles (aka John Lennon) had a major influence on them and their music. They say the same thing about Michael Jackson. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | No disrespect, but peoples legacy usually tends to get inflated when they pass away. More so if the death is a tragic one before it's time. Lennon, Croce, Denver, Morrison, Coban, Hendrix, etc. would never have achieved the notoriety they did had they still been alive. That's the way I see it. |
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| hmm...someone who influenced his generation, still inspires admiration (and derision) in generations following his early and untimely death at the hands of another, and whose main message was that we're all in this together and should try to live in peace...where have I heard that before? Most underwhelming, for sure. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I agree with Dave.
Choose your heroes well!
And when I'm gone I know that each of you will wish you had bought one of my guitars... |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by MWoody:
I agree with Dave.
Choose your heroes well!
And when I'm gone I know that each of you will wish you had bought one of my guitars... Wrong!
I BOUGHT one of your guitars!
I wish I'd bought more! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | :D
So I can go peacefully now... (like Hell!) |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by MWoody:
:D
So I can go peacefully now... (like Hell!) Nope. If you make more like the one I bought, I'd like to have more...so you have to hang 'round for a bit. |
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Location: SoCal | I, too, have one of Woodrow's guitars. So I'm ready for his passing.
I always thought the Lennon needed McCartney and vise versa. They balanced each other. Separately, neither of them appealed to me that much.
On his own, while I admired Lennon's passion for his causes, his music did nothing for me...... |
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| Lennon and McCartney are already up there with the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century. Nobody's opinion will change this.
Record sales and radio plays and cover versions prove this beyond doubt.
I was a great fan, aged 11, of the first album and all the way through to Rubber Soul. After that I lost interest. But what does history care about what you or I think?
On a personal level I think Lennon and McCartney were/are assholes. Ringo is Ringo and George was plainly the most interesting and in terms of individual talent maybe the best. He certainly didn't have Lennon's talent for self-promotion and he certainly didn't have Lennon's talent for punching women. But hey, nobody's perfect.
And Mull of Kintyre and The Frog Song should condemn McCartney to songwriter's hell for eternity. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I looked for a good YT video of the memorial party at Strawberry Fields...
When I couldn't find one, I gave up on posting of John's death.
I have a bunch of Beatles music on my computer that I never listen to.
I met John multiple times in NYC, and he wouldn't give us any change.
We actually talked to him at length from our doorstep on Bleecker Street.
Seems like a nice enough chap though, when you got him alone. Just Cheap.
Not to speak ill of the dead (but I am about to)
John had an over-inflated sense of his own importance.
Do I really care to see you having a Bed-In for Peace?
Like Dave sez, Many an artist's standing is raised in Death.
Even more so in Martyrdom.
George Harrison is Dead too... Is there gonna be a big party for his birthday?
"The Beatles" were influential to so many people because they were so well Marketed.
Frank Zappa made a profound social statement with his parody of the Sgt. Pepper's album cover! :p
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I met John multiple times in NYC, and he wouldn't give us any change.
Now THAT'S funny! |
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Location: Ohio | Better writers and musicians had gone before and after and did not get the recognition that Lennon and the Beatles received. Never a Beatles or Lennon fan. In my mind, just better promotion than other groups. Of the 4, Harrison was my favorite. The quiet Beatle. Yes, sorry Lennon is gone, and sorry about the way he dies, but he is dead. Lets get on with our lives..... |
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Location: NJ | wow you are panhandling and you get pissed at someone who does not give you any $$$$
maybe a job was the order of the day. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Gee Al... Let's see. John Died 30 Years ago.
I believe that I last talked to John in November of 1978.
We were sitting outside of Gillie's Pub (now defunct), listening to music, drinking beer and bumming more beer.
We did that Often, when we weren't doing the same thing outside of CBGB's or the Other End.
And nowhere in that post did I say that we were 'pissed' at John.
We met him multiple times because he would play at Gillie's with Yoko and David Peel.
But I still need a Job, which is why I am busking for rent money. |
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| This goes out to Moody:
All that we're saaaaying...is give peas a chance" |
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Location: Ohio | Elvis is dead, Morrison is Dead, Croce is Dead, a LOT of great musicians are gone and will go in the future......
They will be missed, t=but they are not gods....
Look to those that are still with us and be happy they are!! |
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I hate this thread. Agreed. |
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Location: On the Coast - Halfway between SF & OR | I'll always remember the day Lennon was killed.
I was the hospital in Landstuhl Germany recovering from some gunshot wounds and was still fading in and out of consciousness when I overheard a doctor telling a nurse about someone dying from gunshot wounds. I couldn't fully wake up or move although I could partially hear voices floating past me.
I just laid there saying to myself, "Well, I guess I'm dead. This is really strange." Then I totally passed out.
Two days later I finally woke up and found out they were talking about John Lennon and not me. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I listened to and liked Croce and Denver while they were alive. Still like them. The others, including Lennon and add Janis Joplin, I didn't like so much when they were alive and didn't like them any more after they were dead. I liked Eva Cassidy's voice the first time I heard it and I didn't know she was dead. So I don't fit Dave's theory, but I don't usually fit most. |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Gee Al... Let's see. John Died 30 Years ago.
I believe that I last talked to John in November of 1978.
We were sitting outside of Gillie's Pub (now defunct), listening to music, drinking beer and bumming more beer.
We did that Often, when we weren't doing the same thing outside of CBGB's or the Other End.
And nowhere in that post did I say that we were 'pissed' at John.
We met him multiple times because he would play at Gillie's with Yoko and David Peel.
But I still need a Job, which is why I am busking for rent money. you were the one that said he never gave you money not me.
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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA | Heard two versions of "Working Class Hero" on the radio today (not by JL, but excellent covers...).
A brilliant song and a personal fave from an often mis-understood artist.
It's sad that perhaps his last contribution to the music industry is the way that artists relate to their 'fans' in public... Multiple bodyguards, almost always 'tooled up' and anyone getting too enthusiastic at close quarters is likely to get hurt... Better safe than sorry.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | 1963: first heard the Beatles on WGH AM radio in Newport News, VA. on my Silvertone transistor radio...I was 11 and it changed my life...but it was the Beatles Music and the band as a unit that did that not the individuals...
I agree completely with Schroeder on this: I also moved on to other groups and other Genre's...I became enthusiastic about the singer songwriters: Taylor, Croce, Denver, Stephens, Chapin, Young, Prine, all of whom left an indelible impression on my life and music.
I remember Lennon's death because my band had just come off of the road after 2 years and we met at the apartment in Richmond, VA of our bass player to hold a memorial of our own: not because we idolized him, but rather because we felt that a part of our innocence and youth had passed along with Lennon. Truthfully: Chapin, Croce, and Denver's deaths affected me much deeper on a musical level than did Lennon's...
I watched the last part of the 1972 Concert at Madison Square Garden last night on Pladia...Sorry but I thought is was a complete waste of time...horrible and hard to listen to...an exercise in excess...but at least it reminded of what a talent George Harrison was ...Lennon's post Beatles rant/romp with Yoko just never resonated with me and still doesn't...however, he lives on in Julian who is the spitting image of his father.
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Location: Alagoas, Brazil | "Imagine" was the first song I learned back then when he was alive.
At that time all we needed to get a nice girl was a geetar, a song and a t-shirt with the right message on it.
With "Imagine" I had all the three.
Those were the days...
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | There was a time when knowing 'who's your favourite Beatle?' told you as much as you could know about another person.
When they were still together it was George for me.
Later it was John.
and until I 'got' that Silly Love Songs was
more than semi-literate, I decided to like Paul too.
.....but who can't LOVE Ringo?
But well marketed, hard working guys? You'll never find better. I always loved the quote from John about the "Tune in, turn on, drop out '60s"
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Location: Location Location Location | #1-Hey Bob, My mom died today.
#2-You know, Bill, I never liked your mom.
#1-Yes, Bob, but she meant so much to me.
#2-Well, Bill, she didn’t mean anything to me, so why don’t you shut up about her already.
#1-I guess I was wrong Bob. Yeah, she was my mom, but I guess she wasn’t so great. |
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Location: Ohio | What do Yoko Ono and Ethiopians have in common?
THey live off of dead Beatles........ |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by nikon4004:
What do Yoko Ono and Ethiopians have in common?
Neither would give OMA any change |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by nikon4004:
What do Yoko Ono and Ethiopians have in common?
Neither would give OMA any change |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by nikon4004:
What do Yoko Ono and Ethiopians have in common?
Neither would give OMA any change
(Poor People will always give you change. It is rich people who are cheap) |
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You need a shirt more than they need a meal? |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by nikon4004:
What do Yoko Ono and Ethiopians have in common?
Neither would give OMA any change
(Poor People will always give you change. It is rich people who are cheap)
Perhaps if you are pestering people on Bleeker especially John Lennon and he gave you a dollar then he would have a trial of people wanting a dollar from John Lennon. I think it was John's internal survival skills that made him possible to live in NYC and not get pestered and what ultimately did him in at the end.
I have several customers that are very wealthy and I treat them the same way I would anyone else with courtesy and respect. Nothing special and they don't demand any more. I don't charge more because they can afford it and I don't make a big deal out of anything.
At one point in my life I was ill my wife on her death's bed in the hspt and other stuff was piling up. I get a call from one of these guys who was just checking in and well I spilled my guts, I needed someone to talk to and he was the one. A few days later he called me back to see how things were and offered to help me out. He wanted to know if he could pay my mortgage. Not the payment the ENTIRE MORTGAGE. I was floored and declined but thanked him and assured him that if I needed some help I would indeed call him.
Well I never did, I just got up earlier in the day and stayed up later worked harder, sold some stuff that I should have kept for less than it was worth and worked through the hard times.
Ultimately, you are responsible for yourself no one else. Unfortunately there will always be an element of society that for whatever reason is indigent either by legitimate or illegitimate means but anyone with a sense of pride takes care of their self and their family. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thank You Al...
But I made one statement about John not giving me change.
And BTW-- The first time we met John, I didn't know he was John Lennon.
He just looked like a normal person, no entourage, no press.
Mr. Lennon used to intentionally stop to talk to us cuz we didn't treat him like anything special.
We shared our beer with him. (You could get a 12-pack for about $3 back then)
I never asked him for an autograph, we mostly talked about ourselves cuz he was interested.
He did pay for our beer once at the local Mom & Pop store down the street.
But he still wouldn't give us any change.
He said "My wife doesn't let me carry money. All I got is Plastic!"
Also... Years of experience has taught me Rich People Are Cheap.
Poor People will give you the last pennies in their pocket cuz they have "been there".
I know that I will.
Rich people will tell you to get a Job.
Rich people were cheap in the Past.(Mark 12:41-44)
Rich people will be cheap in the Future.(Check-out the current financial crisis)
Rich people look at High Unemployment as an opportunity to lower wages.
Rich people are Jealous that Poor People might get surplus food for free.
It is the nature of the Beast.
The more someone has, the cheaper they get! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Rich people are Jealous that Poor People might get surplus food for free. Yes, there's an entire segment of society jealous over government cheese. |
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Location: NJ | arthur
your story has now morphed 3 times.
although I will never be rich I do not share your thoughts on "the rich" I think they are generalizations and oversimplifications.
can you say the same about the poor?
the more poor someone is the more they expect someone else to bail them out?
the poor will tell you they are starving "artists" and should not have to work.
the poor will tell you it is a sin to make a living.
the poor look at the high unemployment as an excuse to do nothing.
The poor are jealous that they can't afford fine dining?
This is sarcasm but damn why throw stones at either side?
At one particularly low point in my life, I had a co worker who's husband was very well to do (she really did not need the work but loved teaching) put a 100 dollar bill in a christmas card with the instructions to take my wife out to dinner buy her something she wants and have a good time on her. I tried to give it back to her but she insisted. My wife and I had a really good dinner on my friend and our mind was taken away from our troubles.
I think when charity comes when least expected it is the most valuable. Kinda nice to have people thinking about you and caring. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Quick! Gotta sneak this in before the thread gets closed down! (I got a nickel says it'll close before the day is over)
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Boy! THIS thread sure took a turn for the irrelevant! |
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Location: Tennessee | I have no problem with cheese. It's all the pork I don't like.
I can't stop and give change to every panhandler I come across. I most times stop and consider donating to a street performer if they are sincere and giving it serious effort.
But I ALWAYS stop and buy a glass of lemonade or kool-aid, or art, or gummy bears or whatever it is that some young kid has set up a curbside stand to try and make a little money. Encourage entrepreneurship.
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Location: NJ | I take one statement back.
I am rich.
I have love and family, a wife, friends, good food and drink, a home, I live in a beautiful world with many sites and many wonderous creatures, etc etc etc |
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People who will work make welfare possible. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
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Also... Years of experience has taught me Rich People Are Cheap.
Poor People will give you the last pennies in their pocket cuz they have "been there".
I know that I will.
Rich people will tell you to get a Job.
Rich people were cheap in the Past.(Mark 12:41-44)
Rich people will be cheap in the Future.(Check-out the current financial crisis)
Rich people look at High Unemployment as an opportunity to lower wages.
Rich people are Jealous that Poor People might get surplus food for free.
It is the nature of the Beast.
The more someone has, the cheaper they get! OMA, where do you get this tripe????
I was monetarily rich once but due to unforseen medical issues with both my daughter and wife (at separate times) that well exceeded my health insurance policy limits, I am now borderline poor.
I was definitely more generous when I had the means to be. I frequently donated both time and money to various organizations. Now I have no discretionary funds to give to others....I have to take care of my own.
Your generalizations about the rich are just as bogus as the generalizations about the poor.
If you are out of work, you are a lazy no good for nothing bum that is just living off the government while waiting for your next handout or welfare check.
Sound familiar?
People are people... whether rich or poor most of them would act and be the exact same way whether they had money or not. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | So? Would John Lennon Approve of the Direction of This Thread?
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Location: NW Washington State | "Taxman" - The Beatles (George Harrison) |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So? Would John Lennon Approve of the Direction of This Thread?
btw, Lennon wasn't exactly "poor" when he was killed... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Waskel:
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So? Would John Lennon Approve of the Direction of This Thread?
btw, Lennon wasn't exactly "poor" when he was killed...
I said that John Lennon wouldn't give me any change! :eek: :p |
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Location: Ohio | When did this thread get political???
Lets get back to music guys and gals!!!!!!!!!!!
If I want political, I'll call Rush Limbaugh!!! |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Yeah... That's what started this whole thing.
I said that John Lennon wouldn't give me any change! So... why should he have? And did that make him selfish and greedy? Maybe he was jealous of you for getting surplus food for free?
Personally, I resent your playbook generalizations concerning people who happen to have more money than you. I was poor, when I was young. Then I worked. My ass off. Now I enjoy the fruits of that labor, and I'm supposed to feel guilty about it? |
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Location: Connersville, Indiana | This is over the top I just don't know what to say. Being in law enforcement for years I have seen just about everything to make you smile or a billy goat sick. By now most people know I am disabled on this thread. Karen and I bought our house through a mortgage company that was stealing the money. We were given an eviction notice because our house was going to sheriff's sale, at no fault of ours. I receive limited income, Karen's 18 year job at ford moved to Mexico. She is getting gov't assistance to pay for nursing school, which she graduates in May. She is also working full time at the hospital. My Neighbor, a Doctor, thought so much about us that he bought the house at the Sheriff's sale and is now selling it to us on contract until our money gets more flexible. Just like the only reason I was able to buy a preacher and viper was because Iffy sold it to me on the Iffy pay as you may plan. So The lesson learned is:
There are two types of people in the world and only two. Good people and bad people. And that's it. It does not matter if you have money or not, you are either a bad person or a good person. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Is he dead? Sit you down Father, rest you. Yup. He's dead.
Don't know if this was ever posted, but it cracks me up. "Play like you're mad at your guitar".....
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Location: Alagoas, Brazil | Back to music:
Gonzaguinha - Youtube
He sings, to the end of the song:
"Dê senhor uma esmola
A um pobre que é são
Ou lhe mata de vergonha
Ou vicia o cidadão"
In a loose translation:
If you give money (alms?) for free to a healthy poor person, you either will ashame them or you will give them a bad habit.
I've learned a long time ago not to give money on the streets. I will give food, and things, but never, ever, money. Money has a bad habit of making its way to drugs, all by itself. And, being in law enforcement, I can't stand that. |
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Location: Ohio | O-Sighting......
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=wQCbiFuR_y8&feature=related
This guy has quite a few vids posted of him doing Beatles material....
Will he be missed as much when his time comes????? |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | The mystery has now been explained...
Cool Video! |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | What's a bunch of kids in China & Japan got to do with it??? |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by cholloway:
What's a bunch of kids in China & Japan got to do with it??? I believe the children are our future... |
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Location: Newington, CT | Can this inane thread make it to the magic number of 100 posts before the inevitable hammer falls, and it makes its wretched way into digital oblivion, there to lie, forgotten, moldering, unmourned, unlamented, until, phoenix-like, it surges back to life when some poor sap does an unfortunately configured search and bumps it by accident?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by AlanM:
Can this inane thread make it to the magic number of 100 posts before the inevitable hammer falls, and it makes its wretched way into digital oblivion, there to lie, forgotten, moldering, unmourned, unlamented, until, phoenix-like, it surges back to life when some poor sap does an unfortunately configured search and bumps it by accident?
Well, can it? Way to keep it alive big guy!
Meanderings ye tarriers, meanderings! |
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So close!
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Slipkid:
What's your beef Alan??
Ya got your 2 cent worth in so you're done? ...AND I got Kim Keller to post one!
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Don't F it up over xmas or caps.
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Location: south east Michigan | Originally posted by AlanM:
I got Kim Keller to post TWICE in two days! This is a guy who posts an average of FOUR (give or take) posts per year! That's like one post every three months! Yes Alan... you are very special. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Well, crap Alan ... you've gone and wasted a half a year's worth of posts on this inanity. ;)
Numbfingers ... well played, sir. Lol!
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Originally posted by alpep:
chatty cathy? There's a lot of folks here who wouldn't know what one of these was. |
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Location: NW Washington State | Chatty Cathy |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by AlanM:
It's been a year of few accomplishments for me; I wanted to be able to point to SOMETHING! Huh? What about Meditation # 3,876,362??? |
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Location: NJ | My sisters had them |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | It may have been the first multiple-phrase talking doll on the market. A string pulled from the back tripped some sort of cheap loop which then played one of maybe a dozen different short phrases. Like Al, my sister had one, too. That's our story and we're sticking to it. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I had a a Manager like that once... |
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Location: Flahdaw | That's why Hasbro had to come out with the G.I. Joe....too many boys were found alone in the closet playing with their sister's Chatty Cathy |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Left a scar, did it dB? |
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Location: Tennessee | My sisters had them too until they went missing ... they were found in the trunk of the car with duct tape across their mouths. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
... they were found in the trunk of the car with duct tape across their mouths. Pretty much sounds like the conclusion of every date you ever had. |
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Location: liverpool ,england | as john said "life is what happens when your busy making other plans" |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by stonebobbo:
... they were found in the trunk of the car with duct tape across their mouths. Pretty much sounds like the conclusion of every date you ever had. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | nevermind.
I was perhaps rude enough to get this thread shut down. Let's pretend I was. |
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| Originally posted by fillhixx:
I was perhaps rude enough to get this thread shut down. Apparently not as much as some 'players'. |
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| Originally posted by gulfcrow:
Originally posted by fillhixx:
I was perhaps rude enough to get this thread shut down. Apparently not as much as some 'players'.
Take an afternoon or two, go back and read - really read - the archives from this board's beginning to about 2007. You'll see a vibrant community with lots of good-natured humor, more than adequate self-policing, and just plain fun. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | gulfcrow, welcome aboard. Haven't noticed you here but you're welcome to jump in anytime, I'm sure.
Most of the conversation posted above started inside my own head....so no one would be expected to follow. I typed something, posted, and changed my mind. Unfortunately, there is NO delete post function here....all should be reminded like I was. I suppose an empty post was another option, but I'd never do that.....except when properly trained by an expert in media manipulation. (like that mind control geek Standing Ovation)
Caustic humour used to be really really common here. Many of us miss it, but Mom said it scared the kids....so there ya go.
But I still think this thread has had it's day ...
....so I'll have a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster and forget about it completely. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | With that said, let's withhold the caustic humor 'til after 11 p.m. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | In which time zone? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by G8r:
Originally posted by gulfcrow:
Apparently not as much as some 'players'. ?? Not sure I quite understand what you're trying to imply. I'll assume by your post count that you don't peruse the board often |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "But I still think this thread has had it's day ..."
Me too. |
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Happy Birthday John Lennon