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Location: Moscow | Friends may those who have, drawings and diagrams springs (Ovation Custom Balladeer 1755) 1984-1990
there is a problem that can not figure out. whether there is a bar under the neck which abut the spring or not when I was not! as the time stamp falls from the string tension and a place to repair it.
Thanks for the info.
Sorry for the English use a translator Google. |
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Location: Tennessee | I believe you're asking about adjusting the "truss rod". On you model, there is a system called the "K-bar" which is inside the neck. To adjust the truss rod, there is a place under the end of the fingerboard inside the soundhole where a special wrench is inserted that allow you to change the amount of "relief" that the neck has under string tension.
There are some pictures and instructions here on this site that talk about how to do it. Maybe some other people here can post them up because I'm just using an iPhone now and i have a hard time doing it. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Excellent, G8r, not just for Denis, but many others as well. |
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Location: Moscow | G8r, thanks for the info, but that's not the tie-rods.
I'll try to describe the problem more deeply. I need time, that would draw the essence of the issue. |
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Location: Moscow | the problem was with my 1758, bar sag deck inside and adjust the sensor holder strings do not help, anchor rod was useless as it regulates only the deflection of the neck. distance between the last fret and the strings were critical and it was impossible to fix.
I put the scheme on the model of spring 1755 and strengthened the position for attaching the neck that would not be pressured into deck.
I have all the photos. I will publish them soon. You'll understand. |
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Location: SoCal | Are you trying to adjust the height of the strings? That's done by putting in or taking out a shim under the saddle..... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Denis, I am sending you a Private Message...my wife is Russian...just reply to my PM in Russian and my wife can translate for us...
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Location: Moscow | Thank you, and do) |
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Location: Moscow | 
Прилагаю картинку, белым я нарисовал давление на деку и как она прогнулась.
Нижняя схема взята с модели 1755 и установлена на мою 1758.
Ребята, проблема такая. Начнем по порядку) у меня есть элита 1758, купил я её на ebay, она пришла в Москву и я увидел в её конструкции некоторые недоработки( 1. дека прогнута во внутрь. 2. прогнута подставка. 3. невероятно большое расстояние между последним ладом и струнами, пьезо-датчик опустить ниже уже было невозможно он был без пластинок. 4. регулировка анкерного стержня также не дала результатов. В общем проблема была в том, что гриф от натяжения 12 струн, просто прогнул деку где то на сантиметр во внутрь, отстроить гитару было невозможно! Я поехал к знакомому гитарному мастеру, осмотрев инструмент он сказал, что все грустно и гитара нуждается не просто в ремонте, а в замене схемы пружин. Те кто знает раскладку пружин 1758, помнят, что она лютневая, сделана веером и не имеет поперечных пружин. Так вот гитару мне вскрыли и заменили все пружины на схему модели 1655-1755 и у крепили место крепления грифа жестким бруском и в распор приклеили ведущие пружины, конструкция стала правильной и способной держать давление грифа. Все поставили обратно, перекрасили гитару, сделали белый кант на грифе, заменили лады на более крупные, играть стало просто шикарно! удобно и легко.
Фото отчет, опубликую в самое ближайшее время, я думаю многим будет это интересно увидеть!
Для чего я ищу чертежи модели (1655, 1755) мне интересно выяснить были ли изменения в конструкции пружин в промежуток 1980 года - 1990 года. Это очень важно! Как как покупая например модель 1755, рискуешь столкнуться с проблемой которую я описал, я проверил на моделях с белой этикеткой брусок отсутствует и пружины идут не враспор.
Кто располагает чертежами моделей 1655, 1656, 1659, 1755, 1766, 1759. Прошу откликнитесь и помогите разобраться! Заранее спасибо.
Единственный мой минус, что отныне меня не интересуют гитары других фирм, мой выбор винтажный Ovation и очень благодарен Чарльзу Каману за его идеи и золотые руки. Он подарил нам крылья... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | For those of us who just check on "Today's Active Topics", that was really weird for a few minutes. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Denis: Пошлите жене Музикмишки частную электронную почту. Она может перевести для Вас на английский язык. Удача, и добро пожаловать! Элита, которую Вы имеете, - замечательная гитара!
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Location: Tennessee | If I understand the information above, Denis is looking for bracing patterns. Go here for a start: http://www.ovationtribute.com/Ovation%20Bracing/Ovation%20Bracing.h... |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by AlanM:
Denis: Пошлите жене Музикмишки частную электронную почту. Она может перевести для Вас на английский язык. Удача, и добро пожаловать! Элита, которую Вы имеете, - замечательная гитара!
Alan Alan, you just called Denis's mother a "donkey faced heap of parrot droppings". Please stop before you make it any worse. |
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Location: Moscow | stonebobbo,
14-Fret, 12 Strings, that such a scheme is now on my 1758.
Thank you for your valuable information.
Elite 1758 is a great tool and I love him.
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Location: Moscow | Guys, a letter sent musitsmishka, Thank you. |
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Location: Moscow | Here is her original state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AS4KD_FsBo&feature=relmfu |
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Location: Flahdaw | Hey Denis, You are VERY good.
Welcome to the OFC!!! |
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| Denis - great playing, great voice. Keep up the good work. |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by dark bar:
Originally posted by AlanM:
Denis: Пошлите жене Музикмишки частную электронную почту. Она может перевести для Вас на английский язык. Удача, и добро пожаловать! Элита, которую Вы имеете, - замечательная гитара!
Alan Alan, you just called Denis's mother a "donkey faced heap of parrot droppings". Please stop before you make it any worse.
And yet, if you look a mere several posts up, you'll see that Denis sent a private e-mail to MusicMishka's wife, just as I suggested. |
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Location: Rochester, NY | Hey Denis, that's amazing!! Very nice Rozenbaum style playing.. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Very nice, Denis. Welcome and keep it up! |
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Location: Newington, CT | Originally posted by Arthur_Nigmatulin:
Hey Denis, that's amazing!! Very nice Rozenbaum style playing.. Sounds a bit like Vysotsky. Good stuff! |
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Location: California | Nice song and rythm! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | OK, since I received the message from Denis and getting it translated by my wife, it looks like you all have been busy...patience works wonders.
Denis bought a 1758 from ebay and had it shipped to him in Moscow (remember: it's WINTER...).
The shipper shipped it fully tuned and between the tension and the cold, it warped the top and the bracing (Denis, they are called braces, not springs). In looking into this problem it was discovered that someone had changed the bracing to a 1755 bracing pattern from an Elite fan bracing...Denis has removed all shims and fully adjusted out the truss rod but it is still unplayable.
I would suggest sending it back to the original owner; contacting eBay about this if the owner does not want to make it right, and perhaps getting in touch with the factory to possibly have the guitar shipped for repair.
That's what the message said and thanks to Violetta for translating.
Denis, since you may not be able to understand this, Violetta is translating this back into Russian and forwarding it to you. Let me know what you decide to do; I will help getting it to the factory (we call it the mothership) for you, |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | "And yet, if you look a mere several posts up, you'll see that Denis sent a private e-mail to MusicMishka's wife, just as I suggested."
Alan: The private message was for me: it was translated by my wife which I asked
Denis to do in my PM to him...earlier this morning.
Unless I miss the meaning of the word it's called PRIVATE Message for a reason.
But thanks for the belated and redundant suggestion...
BTW: thanks g8r and Moody for great suggestions and a great helping hand...very nice stuff...g8r that diagram is seriously good: "righty tighty, lefty loosy" was never illustrated better! Well done! |
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Location: Moscow | Thanks guys. Do not expect such a heated discussion. I am still difficult to understand, but I'm trying. |
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Location: Moscow | Here are pictures of my elite 1758 after repairs.
As promised.
http://www.radikal.ru/users/denis-mazaev/1758 |
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