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Location: Northwest Arkansas | If I hear one more person tell me Taylor is twice the guitar than an Ovation is, I think I'll puke. Everyone has their own taste. So quit makin' fun of my round back. I just had a friend tell me Ovation was fiberglass junk. He's a crappy player, so it didn't make much difference. Why do they have such a bad reputation? I own 4 and I love them. |
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Location: NJ | just ignore them.
that's what we all do |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by mymartind35:
He's a crappy player....
So now you know how informed his opinion is. :rolleyes: |
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Location: south east Michigan | Whatcha gonna do.
What can you do?.
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I'd be happy if Taylor fans would just be neutral about other guitars. But I wouldn't expect even that to happen.
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Maybe, through evolution, we Ovation fans have developed a thick skin to the criticism.
I do believe that Ovation fans are more open and less negative to other brands than any other faction of guitar geek.
And I'd also bet good money that "we" are more informed, too. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Just when he starts going on about how shitty your Ovation is, stop him in his tracks and say "Oh! You must play a Taylor" and walk away. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Or let him go on about how great his spoofilled Taylor is and then say,
Yeah, I like Taylors too, they're like a warm glass of skim milk.
My Ovation is like a thick, cold milkshake |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My buddy bought a Taylor and did me a big favor when he told us what he paid for it. I paid less for my first 5 Ovations total and I had 5 different guitars. |
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Location: seattle, wa | I own a Martin, a Taylor and an Ovation...each has it's very own personality but all three are well built, beautiful sounding instruments.
Statements like that are from ignorence or jelousy. |
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Location: sitting at my computer | Originally posted by mymartind35:
If I hear one more person tell me Taylor is twice the guitar than an Ovation is, I think I'll puke.
Puke on your "friend". I bet that'll shut him up! ;) ;)
Originally posted by Slipkid:
I do believe that Ovation fans are more open and less negative to other brands than any other faction of guitar geek.
I agree. Ya gotta stay open-mined to all your options. There are lots of excellent guitars out there (including Taylor), from the big brand names and from the smaller, more boutique crafters. I've had the good fortune to attend the Florida's Newport Guitar Festival both in 2008 and 2010 and there were awesome, amazing guitars everywhere you looked!!! But most were way beyond my meager budget. For the price, I haven't played anything I like better than my acoustic Os and A. Their tonal quality, resonance, sustain, playability and affordability keeps me coming back. I think they're a bargain (especially the older used ones)... I don't really care what they build 'em out of, as long they keep sounding so great. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | No they are from fact,
Taylors suck, (yes they are well built and all that)unless you want to play girlie music in a Nashville sort of way
They are a Xerox copy of a guitar
as flat as the paper they are printed on
they are two dimentional(or is that demented?)
They have no soul
no personality
but then what the hell do I know?
I just used to sell jet fuel.......
and would rather have a Collings.
or an old Martin
or a Merrill
or a Laskin
or a Blazer and Henks
or a Schoenberg
or a Tippin
or a Osthoff
or a Caleb Smith guitar
or a Takamine, my Blewgrass Tak will sweep the floor with any Taylor
Yeah, yeah, I know.....I gotta go anyway, there's another plane wantin a top off..... |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I almost never seen a convertablized plane!
As fer git boxes, they's so many kindsa
gitars cos they's so many kinds of people.
We'd all look pretty boring playing the same
git-ar and wearing the same bowl haircut.
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Location: Texas | The only Taylor I would be interested in is the Pallet guitar. Tremendous coolness abounds. But, of course, thats like saying the only Bentley that I would be interested in is the Mulsanne. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | If I want to spend Taylor type money, there are many other brands I prefer.
I am not a Taylor hater but I think (notice I said I) that they are overpriced for what you get.
Great necks, pretty tops, thin sound. |
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Location: seattle, wa | Stephent28 might be right about some of the Taylors...I do hope my GA4-12 develops a fuller voice than it has right now...it is thin, but the neck is heaven...then again, so is the neck on my country artist. The nylon voice of my country artist can overpower the Taylor right now and I am a little bit bothered and suprised by that. |
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Location: Massachusetts | I like my Taylor 710ce, I also like my Custom Balladeer and my N769 Custom Legend. The fact is, they are all excellent guitars, but I would not pay the price for another Taylor. My Ovations play and sound just as good as the Taylor for a fraction of the price, and I'm not ashamed to bring them out anywhere I go. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I like the necks on my 1939 Martins, but then again I like Louisville sluggers.
They're good for hitting Taylors out of the park.
I did have one that wasn't that bad about 20 years ago, it was a burled walnut back and sides and a redwood top. OMish body shape, kinda pretty. Had one each of their 20th anniversaries, blah....
I just don't like them
Like I said, a warm glass of skim milk. It will work in your coffee and on your cerial, even take your thirst away on a hot day. Given a choice, I'll go for the milkshake. |
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Location: Seacoast NH | Originally posted by mymartind35:
. He's a crappy player, so it didn't make much difference. HA! I know what you mean...I was at a jam a little while ago and this guy had brought like $10k worth of high priced collectible electrics and amps -- couldn't play a lick. Meanwhile I had my cheap little electric and a 5 Watt practice amp and held my own pretty well. Sorry, but I'm not impressed that you have enough money to buy the most expensive gear available unless you can actually play it well enough to deserve it. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I fooled around with a Taylor 914 cutaway at NAMM a few years ago and decided that if the price was right on the used market, and I didn't have my eye on anything else, then maybe. But for about the same money, I was more impressed with all of the Collings OM models and a Martin OM42. When I found a little money a few months later, I thought about it some more and ordered a custom Adamas 1187 SSB. A year later when I had the same choices, I ordered a custom Takamine 760. On boh occasions, I shut my eyes and went with value and tone over hype, although I do intend to someday own a Collings and a Martin OM42. |
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Location: Route 66, just east of the Cadillac Ranch | A while back one of the local mom and pop music shops hosted the Taylor Road Show where the factory crew demonstrated the current lineup and gave folks a chance to play the guitars. The only guitar that appealed to me was the 714CE, but there was too much noise in the room to really hear it. The salesman thought I was interested enough that he brought one in from their other location in Lubbock. When I went in to try it out, I carried my 1689 to compare. From both sides my 1689 sounded better and everyone in the room agreed. It worked out for the best because I don’t like cutaways; if my left hand is anywhere near the body of the guitar, it’s lost and has no business being there. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | whenever I play out if I am not using a Collings I ALWAYS take an Adamas (85-90% of the time). Most of the haters have never actually seen one (much less heard one) so they are more inclined to come up afterwards and tell me how great the guitar sounds.......
then when they find out it is an Ovation, there is not much they can say putting it down cause they let their ears make the initial impression instead of their eyes. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by alpep:
just ignore them.
that's what we all do +1 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I haven't heard the Taylor praises in a long time, maybe since I quit visiting Guitar Center. I have had a couple people question my Ovation obsession recently. One was my guitar teacher who asked if I was brand loyal about everything and I said yes. Another saw my guitars and asked if Ovation sponsored me. Unfortunately, no. New Year's Eve a friend asked why the Adamas that was on stage (not mine) had the funny holes. I explained that in more detail than she wanted. Finally, when someone heard I bought another Ovation and asked why, I said it was because that's what I know.
I've learned a lot about other guitars since I've been on this site, but the only one I bought for me was a Hamer and I sold that because I wasn't using it. |
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| Originally posted by mymartind35:
... He's a crappy player, so it didn't make much difference. Then tell him it doesn't matter what kind of guitar he has because he's never gonna get anything out of it anyway. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
On both occasions, I shut my eyes and went with value and tone over hype... To each his own but I'm in the Prof's boat. You want the "WOW" factor (as a guy in my office calls it), you STILL don't go for the Taylor. Yeah, yeah, I know. Nice guitars. I've played a few that I thought were pretty nice. NEVER played one I HAD to have. But, then again, no one ever needed my opinion before they started building a guitar.
Go with what you like and don't look back. And, if someone says something about your O or A? I believe the term is "STFU". |
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Location: Northwest Arkansas | You all made me feel a lot better. I've had an Adamas W597 for 6 years and I literally love it. I own a '79 D-35 Martin that will literally smoke any Taylor made. I own a CS 2000 Celebrity, A GC 057 Celebrity, A CC29S-4C with a contour bowl, a 3/4 size Gretsch, a EG334 Takamine, and an "old" Yamaha classical that I learned on. I know what a piece of crap sounds and plays like. I'm happy with every piece of gear I have. Funny thing is, I hardly ever play my '63 reissue Strat. I am an Ovation guitar player and damned proud of it. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally by Mark in Boise:
I've learned a lot about other guitars since I've been on this site, but the only one I bought for me was a Hamer and I sold that because I wasn't using it. I had a nifty Morgan Monroe inspired by Alison's (Canterbury Strings) sig line.
I got some BC Rich's after seeing Miles' (Mr. Ovation) even though he really has Moser's.
And now I've got a Peavey cuz Damon (Damon67) has one or two.
But the Morgan is gone... All of the BCR's are gone except for one Bich... Can't predict about the Peavey.
But I got a few Ovations and a coupla Adamii... NO TAYLORS! :p |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by mymartind35:
I am an Ovation guitar player and damned proud of it. And if you like others, that's fine too. Just simply recognize that the quality and value of an Ovation or Adamas make them a very relevant player in the game. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I just keep coming back to Ovations. Was in the local music store today (where Ovations get no respect) there were three Ovations (all non-USA) Standard Balladeer, Standard Elite, and an Elite T. All had Op Pro preamps - two were jammed in the wrong way (LH side in first).
I decided the Elite T was the best of the bunch (aking price $1,200 AUS - slightly more in US$). The only other guitar that matched it (that I played) was a US made Martin ($2,500). A Korean Breedlove ($1,300) looked nice, but was nowhere near as good as the T to play.
I can't remember the last time I went into a music store and thought I'd swap something at home for one of these. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | If we didn't have our shared enemy
how would we know which was ones was us? |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Well after playing all the different model Taylors, the only one I was really impressed with was their Nylon String model NS74ce. It was the closest thing I could find to a real concert level classical guitar, without spending 4 grand for the real deal. So I purchased a new one at less than the going used price. All my other guitars are Ovations, and I feel pretty content with what I have now. The only other one I have coveted recently was the Custom Legend flag guitar, and that was mainly for the look. |
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Location: ms | I'll go with what Beal said. I've had a few great Taylors just ask Dave but for the most part i don't care for them. I did play a near mint older Legend in a pawn shop yesterday. Guess i'll be making a trip back. |
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Location: Nashville TN. | I find bland ...... If I want a wood box I play a Guild |
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | arguably the best fingerstyle player in Texas has an acoustic Taylor he bought recently. I wish you could have seen his enthusiasm when I stopped in to show him my 40th anniv Balladeer. He picked the hell out of it and was extremely impressed with it. He asked if he could borrow it to record it sometime. That was the only Taylor vs. Ovation I had to witness. Stan Nowlin knows his guitars and I was proud he gushed over my O so much. |
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Location: Flahdaw | DING, DING, DING!!! That makes it the lucky 10th time you've mentioned Stan Nowlin. You win a plush Stan Nowlin snuggle doll. |
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Location: Fort Worth, TX | DING, DING, DING!!! That makes it the lucky 10th time you've mentioned Stan Nowlin. You win a plush Stan Nowlin snuggle doll.
I didn't realize this type of statistical recording was part of the OFC culture. Stan is a friend of mine and a well respected finger picker. I promote him every chance I get in hopes people will google him and find his website and purchase his cd's. Just because I like you, I won't mention him again. |
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Location: Flahdaw | Sorry...couldn't resist. But if you want to promote him, add his website to your signature. People can click on if they are interested in hearing him. Constantly mentioning him in your posts is not the best way to promote him, imho. |
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| I've played a few Taylors from (relatively) inexpensive models to the more than my house payment models. The upper, upper end ones are nice guitars, but I'll stick with my modest Koa Celebrity for depth, clarity, balance and feel. |
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Location: Colorado | Saw John Denver at the Fox Theater in Atlanta - couldn't have been more than a couple months or so before he ran out of gas. He had two twelve strings on-stage - a light colored Adamas - which is still probably floating around for sale, and a Taylor -Kottke model. He played the Adamas on Calypso, and the Taylor on Annie's Song....I don't think it is a stretch to say he felt there were a lot of pros to each guitar - probably strumming sound on the Adamas, and notes sound on the Taylor. For the record he also in the same show played a Gibson Chet Atkins Nylon string, a Koa Taylor Six String, and an old Mossman Golden Era Dreadnaught that even Beal would have raised an eyebrow or two at on the bluegrass song he picked on it...btw - his main guitarist played nothing but Collings. There is a lot of room at the inn...both in the Hyatts, and the Holiday Inns |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Interesting discussion....the worship leader for Sundays showed up at Wednesday where I and Kathie lead worship. My 2008 Collector and a keyboard. He uses electrics to lead, his main axe being a Gibson solid body of some sort.
He was complimenting the Adamas (I think the youngster pronounced it A-Dam-Ass...or maybe he was calling me a name....) and said it sounded fantastic compared to other live acoustics, but said he didn't own an acoustic as he was an "acoustic snob". He would only own a Martin, but was too cheap to pay the price.
I can't resolve all of these statements other than...people get prejudice. Most prejudice is not based on facts or experience, but perception and bad information.
So it is with Ovation/Adamas. My son-in-law is another one. He loves my Ovation/Adamas guitars, but "had to have a Martin". It is $1200 worth of CXE000 or some such and sounds like it is being played stuffed full of wet cement...just dull and "thuddy".
The aforementioned worship leader noted specifically the clarity and articulation of the Adamas (man I can here every note in the chord as if it is played by itself).
But, alas, they won't be caught dead playing one.
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Location: Flahdaw | I love any and all guitars. If it's got a great neck, a 1-3/4" nut, good action, and sounds beautiful, then I'll love it. |
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Location: south east Michigan | A couple days ago I stopped by the music store to re-visit that D-scale EliteT. Again I spent some time admiring the high end Taylors on the wall. Love 'em or hate 'em, they make some fine looking wall hangers. There's some very nice and attractive detail work to be seen.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, at 4k plus for the Taylor I could custom build a number of other brands of guitars. Also, back in the real world, I don't think I'll be dropping 4k on any guitar any time soon. |
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| Hello:
I can speak to this topic - I purchased a Taylor 210 two weeks ago so I am an Ovation Celeb CS257 and a Taylor owner.
Love them both. Totally different look, completly different sound.
Why would anybody have negative things to say about either brand... both brands and product line are awesome.
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Location: Germany, where delicious wine is growing (Rheinh) | dark bar wrote:
I love any and all guitars. If it's got a great neck, a 1-3/4" nut, good action, and sounds beautiful, then I'll love it.
+1 !
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