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Location: Jersey, Channel Islands | Its been a while so i thought i would ask again really want an ultra GP is any body willing to sell. Will to pay a fitting price.
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Location: NoHo, CA | Yeah me too (after Embers of course). I'm looking for a honeyburst mostly but I'll take whatever comes along. |
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| Here, me too. I'm trying to track one down for over 4 years now :( Black would be best, but any color that comes along is ok.
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Location: NoHo, CA | Hey all. There's a wine GP on e-bay right now. Got an opening bid of $1,700 and a 'Buy It Now' of $2,000. I've already got a wine one and truthfully, it's not my favorite color. But here it is none the less.
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| Hey ickygoo,
thanks for the link. Unfortunately the guy will not ship to an APO address :( ( Also the price is a bit high (at least for the color ;) ). So I guess I'm back to waiting and searching...
Maybe it's the one for Embers.
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Location: montreal | yeah, and he wants 2000$ and the bidding starts at 1700. that is just rediculous! I got mine for 455$. anyways good luck to you guys, it is the best instrument ever created. |
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Location: Scotland | I would qualify that by saying the GP is among the best $400 guitars ever created. Some idiot will probably give this guy his $2K. The GP's are alright, but they ain't worth what they're fetching. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I guess with anything it's supply and demand and the last few (at least 6 I know of) on eBay and off eBay have all sold for between 1600 and 2500. I have looked at mine closely, and although there are better built guitars out there, the GP can hold its own with the best of them. It does not look or feel like any $400 guitar out there. Frankly I really don't know how they made them so inexpensive originally. I guess it's all in the assembly which I understand was in the US. I've had three so far, and couldn't find a workmanship flaw anywhere. And for some reason, they don't sound exactly like you'd expect a quite standard looking two humbucker guitar to sound. Maybe it's the combination of the bridge and pickups and overall weight, I really don't know, but for playability it's closer to a Hamer or BC Rich than to a . I think what surprises me the most, is that of the three I have had, they all played identical. Really really low action with NO string buzz, and perfect intonation. I am as baffled as anyone cause years ago I kinda wrote them off as a cheap import... but the retail was nearly $600 in '85 which is pretty steep in those days. Guess it was just overlooked then. |
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Location: montreal | I cant see how this instrument, as amazing as it is, could fetch 2k. The only market that exists for it are a bunch of Josh Homme wannabes who have done nothing but jack up the prices so that collectors such as ourselves cant logically put down the money for them. I dont know, guess I am a little bitter that I may never get my 2nd GP. It still sucks anyways. |
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Location: montreal | yes....being calm....wow I do feel better ;)
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Location: NoHo, CA | First off I'd like to say that GP's are worth what they're fetching otherwise they wouldn't be going for that much. Simple economics kids, the market will only support what the buyer can bear. Supply and demand, etc. I've paid as little as $500 for a GP and close to $2000 for one. I've owned 5 and for what I want and what I do I've yet to find a better guitar. $2000 seems a little steep for the one on e-Bay right now, but then again wine is my least favorite color. Moral of my story, who cares if they're going for a lot of money? They're good guitars and if there were a lot of them that any jackass with a couple of hundred bucks could buy, then what would be so special about them? |
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Location: SoCal | I agree somewhat with the above point of view. The market determines the price of any commodity. Right now, GP's are going for a lot of money. But I suspect that the price will come down when the artist who plays them cools off. Maybe he won't cool off and maybe the price will stay high. Who knows.
But price moves around with demand and supply. I've got a friend, who 20 years ago bought a nice house in Denver for $250K. 5 years later, he couldn't get $175K for it. Both were fair market prices for the times.
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Location: NoHo, CA | Ahhh houses, guitars, and cars - all things that have truly subjective prices. From what I've heard GP's were being sold around the $1,600 range well before QOTSA became somewhat of a household name. Well, that is if the people who had them knew what they were. You could argue that it was the O.G. cult Kyuss and QOTSA fans that drove the price up, but I think not. Now a days it's pretty difficult thanks to e-Bay and the Queens to find a GP for $300, but it has happened and not that long ago. Simple math of it is that GP’s are rare and collectable - two great tastes that go great together…for a seller. Paul's right, it's all about patience. That goes for any collector of anything though. |
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Location: Somewhere in cyberspace | Hello,
can somebody please explain who the heck is Josh Homme and why does everyone seem to want an Ovation GP these days? What's so special about these guitars that makes them so desirable all of a sudden? Surely they cannot be worth more than a Les Paul? |
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Location: NJ | Josh is a guitarist for a band called queens of the new stone age.
Everything is worth what you want to pay for it. there is another thread on the bulleting board look that one up it has some good comments about the gp on it |
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Location: Somewhere in cyberspace | Al, thanks for clearing that up. I haven't heard of that band before. So I understand that a young hot shot started out using an off-beat guitar because he could get it cheap, and now every wannabe wants it, which makes it worth more than the guy would ever have paid for it in the first place. And now every opportunist will crawl out of the woodwork demanding crazy inflated prices for this model. Another flavor of the week pricing trend, same as what happened to the Univox Hi-Flyer courtesy of Curt Cobain. Do I have the situation pretty much summed up?
It's so ironic. All it took was for one famous player to discover something that I've known all along. When I bought my GP in '86, the music store clerk actually laughed at me for wanting a "Partridge Family guitar". My baby was priced cheaper than a Squier and they were anxious to be rid of it, it was so uncool at the time. Sure is nice to be vindicated after all these years.
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | If you only knew how much he paid for his guitars and then to have them modified to have the strings through the body. Also, FYI, Josh Homme has been around since about 1988. He's had a revolving door band of some decent players for many years. I only learned of him recently, and kinda wondered why he's been hiding. Good music and a good egg from all accounts I have heard. I guess he plays an Ovation, he can't be all bad. |
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Location: NoHo, CA | Okay now you're treading into my teritory here. First of the band is called Queens of the Stone Age. Before that Josh had a band called Kyuss. He's played a GP all along since he was 11 I think. He bought it in a pawnshop in Idaho; it was either that or a banjo. Cost $100. He's claimed that it is a huge part of the sound that is Kyuss and Queens. He's also bought a few at a very high price, well before you never heard of him. And this crap about every wannabe trying to get one is just plain silly. It's a cool, rare guitar. People paid a lot of money for them before Josh was famous. Now does that mean that everybody who wants a GP is a Josh Homme wannabe? That's pretty fuzzy logic. Does that mean that everybody who plays a Strat wants to be Jimi Hendrix? Or everyone who plays a Les Paul wants to be Les Paul or Jimmie Page? Hmmmmmm...I think not. You find out about shit in different ways. I found out about the GP because of Kyuss and Queens. Looked like a cool guitar. Never seen anything like it before. So eventually I got one. It took a few years, but I did it. I really liked it, so now I own a few of them. Sure there are people who want it just because of Josh, I?ll give you that. But you can?t say he?s the only reason the guitar has some value. Don't be so quick to judge, especially about things you know very little about. It's the mark of a young mind or an old mindset. |
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Location: Somewhere in cyberspace | Ickygoo,
don't take it personally, you've read more into my words than I intended. A bunch of wannabes seem to have driven up the price recently, as I have just learned to my shock, but the GP has ALWAYS been a cool guitar. It just wasn't ever desirable by the vast majority of guitarists. No, not everyone who wants a GP is a wannabe.
Nothing against the Queens or Mr. Homme, either. I'm feeling rather sarcastic about the situation, but I won't presume to judge a player I haven't even heard yet. See my post in the general section. |
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| Hey hey, I got some rather unsettling news about a GP today from my friend over in Seattle. He picked up a black GP for 100 bucks from some guy trying to sell it to Guitar Center. There's still hoep to find them at reasonable (or ridiculously low) prices! Don't give up, I still haven't. |
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Location: Scotland | The fact is, that given the materials & build quality, which are exceptional for a Korean guitar with a list price of around $400 when new, they should be fetching $500-600 maximum, even given the JH connection. The UK11 is a far superior guitar & struggles to fetch $400.
I paid £160 for a GP recently and traded it for an early 70's Martin D18 & a recent Gibson J45, which I sold for over £2K (over $3000 US) Madness, total madness. |
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Location: Houston, TX | Ick...ask yourself these questions:
Do you think the price would have risen to this level if Josh Homme had never played one?
Do you think the value would tank if he started playing something else, like a Guild or something?
To me, the answers are definitely "no" and "yes".
Keep in mind that in the No One Knows video he has a different guitar - no sign of the GP.
Without Homme, the GP would sell in the same range as Bwinners and Deacons - around $400 or $500 with an occasional rare spike to $750. It would be ridiculous to think they would sell for $1500-$1800 without Homme.
To say that the guitar stands alone and would retain its value without Homme is to reveal an inner fear of being one of the sheep.
Good guitars - I look forward to having one in a few years for $400 when the Homme disciples dump theirs. |
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| Rationally I think the GP has only two qualities that makes them a valuable gutiar:
1: it's playability and relaiabilty
2: it's rare
I want one because of 1. 2 is a obstacle in getting one ;) I mean in sense of quality, wood, etc. it's not worth 2000 bucks or so (at least not for me). I also want one because it was my first guitar and it played so nice. I dumbass selled it because I "needed" a high-end metal-axe at this time :( (that was at the time I wanted a guitar because it looks good ;) ). But I never found guitar playing so nice. Actually I don't care who also plays a GP, because It must fit to me, to my style and and not to anybody elses.
I currently play a Ibanez Artist 300 from the early 80ties. A very, very nice guitar too. You must instantly fell in love with the guitar when you grab it for the first time. And that's what happend to the Artist and the GP.
Anyway, I think intermetroman is right. Josh Homme and because the guitar is so rare makes them so pricy. I think if he'd not use it, the price would also be around 700-1000, just because it's so rare. But 1500-2000 bucks, hell, that's just sick.
I think things will calm down soon when all the kiddies realize that it's not the right guitar for them. don't blame them - everybody had phases like this in the youth, including me (at least i don't know much excpetions).
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Location: NoHo, CA | Scott / intermetroman
To answer your questions and statements
Do you think the price would have risen to this level if Josh Homme had never played one?
Right now I would say that they are at an all time high because of the Queens exposure, but people paid a large amount for them well before that. That is if the seller knew what he was selling. Previously a lot of buyers and sellers weren't aware of the rareness of the guitar and some people (like me) got to reap the benefits.
Do you think the value would tank if he started playing something else, like a Guild or something?
Well he does play other guitars and they haven't skyrocketed in price. Are people paying a lot of money for Gibson Marauders? Nope. Are Maton electric guitars the new 'it' guitar to have in outside of Australia? Nope. Are Epiphone Dot 335's in ultra high demand? Nope. So if Josh has the Midas touch, why aren't these guitars worth alot? Hmmm...maybe because they aren't rare and collectable (slight exception with Matons). And while several of the other ovation solidbodies are great guitars, they weren't made in the limited numbers that the GP was. Collecting 101 limited availability = $$$.
It would be ridiculous to think they would sell for $1500-$1800 without Homme.
Nope, they sold for about that in certain circles pre-Queens.
To say that the guitar stands alone and would retain its value without Homme is to reveal an inner fear of being one of the sheep.
Are you flirting with me? Sorry man, I'm straight. But nice try with the Jedi "I can read your mind" shit. Disagree with me all you want, but I think calling me names in a passive aggressive way is a little silly.
If you can pick up a GP for $400, more power to ya. I did that once. I've also paid alot for a GP. Heck I even started a thread on are GP's worth what they're going for. Who cares? They're cool guitars, get one if you can. If not oh well there's hundreds of cool guitars out there. And this whole I'll get 'em when the Queens are all washed up stuff sound like sour grapes to me. It's like you want all Ovation guitars to be fetching high prices and you're pissed off that the GP is and the others aren't. I'm not saying that's definitely what it is, but it's what it sounds like. |
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Location: Somewhere in cyberspace | Andi,
I feel your pain. In '88, my band members persuaded me to trade in my GP for something that looked more "cool" and had a Floyd Rose. I took it to several music stores and not one dealer would offer me more than about $100 in trade (not even in cash). If anyone had taken me up on it, I would have traded the GP for some pointy head, idiot-stick horror ten times over. But no one wanted it, so I went back to my guys feeling really mad and told them that if they wanted me in the band, they'll have to deal with my GP and tough luck if they don't like how it looks. A year later, when I had a little more experience with other guitars and realized that mine was better than anything else I had ever played up to that point, and that I had never seen another guitar like it, I got interested in its history. That's when I decided that I will never sell it. I still break out in cold sweat when I think how I once may have foolishly sold it. My first electric guitar, my only guitar for many years, and it's gonna be my last one when they bury me. |
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Location: Scotland | Yes they're cool, yes they're pretty good guitars, yes they're rare. They still ain't worth what they're fetching, but then nor are 50's Gretches, 59 LP's, early Strats & Teles, pre-war flat-tops. The vintage/collectors guitar market has never been easy to figure out. |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by ickygoo:
Scott / intermetroman
It would be ridiculous to think they would sell for $1500-$1800 without Homme.
Nope, they sold for about that in certain circles pre-Queens.
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Location: Houston, TX | Ick - I would guess that the "certain circles" you speak of are probably Kyuss fans, by and large.
He plays other guitars, sure, but he is identified with the GP. If he quits using them altogether, I bet the price would drop drastically.
The Breadwinner limited was a small run - 500 or so. They top out at around $500.00. One sold last week for $462.00. My logic is that rarity in an Ovation doesn't necesarily beget high price.
The sheep comment was meant to imply wishful thinking. It seems like wishful thinking to say that the GP would sell for $1500 without Homme.
You are mistaken when you say that I want Ovations to rise in price. I prefer them to stay where they are, so they are easier for me to acquire. I am not pissed off at all that the GP's are selling for a premium right now. I choose not to pay the going rate. My choice, and I'm comfortable with it.
Finally - no, I was not flirting with you. Actually I have re-read my original post and I can't find any homosexual overtones anywhere. Really, how did you come up with that one? If you want to examine latent homo tendencies, start with how in the world you found homo references in my post - then we'll examine your choice of screen names. |
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Location: NoHo, CA | Scott,
The certain circles I mentioned were guitar shows and that's just what I've been told.
He plays other guitars, sure, but he is identified with the GP. If he quits using them altogether, I bet the price would drop drastically.
I'm not saying that it's impossible, but if your argument is that the underground fans of Josh and his bands drove the price up, then the price will never really go down that much even if he stopped playing them all together. They're will still be people who want the vintage Kyuss sound.
My logic is that rarity in an Ovation doesn't necesarily beget high price.
True but when dealing in rarity I think when unique (GP) versus ugly (Limited), unique will fetch a higher price. And yes I know my opinion is of what is unique and ugly is subjective.
The sheep comment was meant to imply wishful thinking. It seems like wishful thinking to say that the GP would sell for $1500 without Homme.
Okay if you say so. Sounds like backpedaling to me.
You are mistaken when you say that I want Ovations to rise in price.
Actually that's what I said it seemed like. I made it clear that I in no way thought my opinion was gospel.
Finally - no, I was not flirting with you. Actually I have re-read my original post and I can't find any homosexual overtones anywhere. Really, how did you come up with that one? If you want to examine latent homo tendencies, start with how in the world you found homo references in my post - then we'll examine your choice of screen names.
Someone's getting a little defensive. You Texas boys are so easy to rile up. Settle down sweetie, it was just a joke. Kisses. |
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Location: Houston, TX | Allright, I'll flog the horse a little more...relax ick - flog is not sexual. Not for me anyway.
Now, upon further questioning, the certain circles of high rolling GP afficianados who paid top dollar pre-Homme and appreciate the guitar for its aesthetic value and placed no emphasis on the Homme connection are now revealed to be...something someone told you about a guitar show? I didn't see the spike in value until about 4-5 years ago, with a huge uptick in interest and traffic after the Guitar Player issue.
I disagree with your statement about the GP retaining value if Homme dumps them. I would speculate that most of his fans would want whatever he chooses to play next. I think very few would keep allegience to the GP and spurn Homme's new choice. I think they would transfer their allegience to his new guitar.
I wasn't backpedaling on the sheep thing. Just explaining, which I'll do again. You get defensive when someone points out the obvious - that the guitars have sharply risen in value because of Homme. It just seems that you don't want that to be true. You protest too much.
Now, as far as the homo stuff and the "relax" and getting riled up...Go back and read the posts. You pushed first, and when I pushed back you started squealing about me pushing you. Come on, you look silly. I'll trade barbs with you - but let it be a good debate. Don't start whining that I'm being too rough. Shit boy, I haven't even warmed up on you yet. I don't want to embarrass you, so let's just talk about the guitars, OK? |
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Location: NoHo, CA | Now, upon further questioning, the certain circles of high rolling GP afficianados who paid top dollar pre-Homme and appreciate the guitar for its aesthetic value and placed no emphasis on the Homme connection are now revealed to be...something someone told you about a guitar show?
Buddy, I don't want to be "that guy" but seriously that is one crazy sentence. Anyway the answer to your question is it was a discussion on this very board. I was just clarifying that I have no 1st hand knowledge, just reporting what I've heard. Hell, I've never even been to a guitar show
I disagree with your statement about the GP retaining value if Homme dumps them.
Okay. Now we're talking. We exchanged ideas. You disagree, no worries. It's all theoretical anyway. Who knows maybe you're even right.
You get defensive when someone points out the obvious - that the guitars have sharply risen in value because of Homme. It just seems that you don't want that to be true. You protest too much.
No, I agree that they have risen because of Josh. In fact I said that they are at an all time high because of him. I am also saying that I've heard that the guitars fetched a pretty penny in the past as well. Without a doubt he is a famous player who uses them and has one as his main guitar. This has made GP's much more visible and much more in demand. Heck on the Queens board someone is always asking "What kind of guitar does Josh play?" So once again I'm saying yes, GP's go for a lot because of Josh. I'm also saying that it's harder to get one for a deal because more people now know what they are. But from what I've heard people have paid a lot for them in the past, just not as often are as high as now.
Now, as far as the homo stuff and the "relax" and getting riled up...Go back and read the posts. You pushed first, and when I pushed back you started squealing about me pushing you. Come on, you look silly. I'll trade barbs with you - but let it be a good debate. Don't start whining that I'm being too rough. Shit boy, I haven't even warmed up on you yet. I don't want to embarrass you, so let's just talk about the guitars, OK?
Nope I wasn't squealing, but if that's how you took it - fine. I was just retorting back. The problem with written words is there's no inflection. I'm more than willing to have a debate, in fact that's what I've been doing. I don't even mind poking fun at each other, I just think there's a way to do it. This 'shit boy I haven't even warmed up yet' stuff. Come on. I'm trying to keep it light here. This is a damn guitar forum. And you’re calling me silly for stating my opinion and calling you out for trying to be a pigheaded bully 'cause I disagree with you? Look if this is gonna turn into a 'fuck you, you wanna piece of this' dialogue, then great I can't get enough of those. The fact is I don't have a problem with you, we just disagree about a guitar's value. Really not earth shattering stuff if you ask me. So whatever, think I'm a silly, protesting whiner. You're opinion of me probably matters as little as does my opinion of you. But like you said if you wanna talk guitars, cool. If not I'm sure we can keep this amazing exchange going for awhile. |
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Location: Houston, TX | OK, the crazy sentence...when you made reference a couple of times to the GP selling high before Homme "in certain circles", you sounded as though you were speaking from experience. I was facetiously pointing out that you were mostly speculating.
How about a montage of icky quotes...
"And this crap about every wannabe trying to get one is just plain silly."
(How many first time posters to this board have been Josh fans asking about a GP? How many GP bidders on eBay are Homme fans? I would speculate that ALL of the buyers in the last couple years have been Homme fans- SK)
"I found out about the GP because of Kyuss and Queens." (I think this is true of most bidders -SK)
" Sure there are people who want it just because of Josh, I?ll give you that. But you can?t say he?s the only reason the guitar has some value. Don't be so quick to judge, especially about things you know very little about. It's the mark of a young mind or an old mindset."
(No one said it is the only reason they have some value - it was said that Homme is the reason they have their current high value. By the way, it was along about here in your post where I decided to respond and push back a little, because you started sounding pretty pompous and seemed to go on the offensive with someone who disagreed with you. - SK)
"Heck on the Queens board someone is always asking "What kind of guitar does Josh play?" So once again I'm saying yes, GP's go for a lot because of Josh." (Well, which is it? Do you agree or disagree with me? -SK)
OOOHHHHH - I get it now, you're from Los Angeles. Now I understand the cause of the waffling and the circuitous reasoning.I bet you voted for Gray Davis, didn't you?
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Location: SoCal | Would you guys both just grow up! What the hell is this need to be right and get the last word in?
You sound like my 11 and 9 year olds fighting. Hey Miles, how about just deleting this thread. It's getting real old real fast. |
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Location: Houston, TX | Paul,
Hey, I've always enjoyed your posts, and you've been on the board a hell of a long time. I'm sure you understand that you don't have to read or take part in this conversation.
I'm done with it anyway, I was just trying to bring it around to a conclusion before I signed off.
Besides, what is the limit on number of posts back and forth? If he responds twice and I still don't agree, would I be crossing some line to respond again? And isn't it a bit childish of you to appeal to Miles for help instead of just leaving the thread? I don't want to pick a fight with you. If you don't like this particular discussion - go to a different thread and leave this one alone.
My apologies for the "shit boy" comment - I actually thought it would get a laugh if taken in context. Even ick mentioned that you can't hear inflection on the screen. I was being absurd in order to demonstrate absurdity. I'll clean it up in the future. |
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Location: SoCal | ..Besides, what is the limit on number of posts back and forth?
You can keep going until you piss off Miles or Al.
I know both you guys from your posts which is why I'm stepping between you. Time to stop it before it gets nasty. I don't want you guys to get pissed. This board can't afford to lose either of you.
Don't make me squeeze a buck out of Al to hire me so I can thump on both of you (I only do it when I'm getting paid 'cause I'm a cheap bastard!).
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Location: Houston, TX | I hope I'm not thought of as a hot-head. I'm pretty sure the only other time I went off was when somebody was giving the French guy a hard time, just because he was French.
Sometimes I disagree with things that are said here - and this time I actually felt like sticking up for the guy that ick was talking to.
Once I started, I wasn't going to throw one grenade then run. I decided to stay and talk it out.
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Location: Scotland | Here's another perspective: Back around the time the GP came out, Fender started the Squier range but fucked up and put the Fender logo on the headstock alongside a tiny little Squier logo. Fender USA were at a low point and the Squiers were killer, the logo thing soon changed, as did the quality of Squiers. Around then Tokai were doing the Strat's, Tele's & LPs that got them sued. All of these guitars in terms of build quality & materials are way ahead not only of the GP, but also comparable to or better than contemporary Gibsons & Fenders. They currently fetch realistic market prices which are considerably less than the prices of the US guitars on which they were based. Why? because the real things get played by the big names & those particular Squires & Tokais, as great as they are don't, and are perceived as "copies". It's the hero worship thing. Having said that the hero worship thing sells a lot of Squiers & Epiphones or whatever to beginners who will aspire to the real thing, so that's OK. I just don't see a GP as the "real thing"
I look at this as a bystander, I have no interest in owning a GP except as a dealer to turn a profit, which I have, a big one (thanks Josh) & no interest in JH and his music. I think the GP's are very good guitars, which have held their value very well. Try selling an early 80's Korean guitar and see what you get, the Ovation Ultra GS is a perfect example. Finaly, and this will be my last word on the subject, promise. Anyone who buys a guitar or amp or whatever in the hope of sounding like their hero is deluding themselves. Sound is in the hands, heart & head, not in a bunch of wood and wires. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "Sound is in the hands, heart & head, not in a bunch of wood and wires."
So nice, worth saying twice.
FYI Moody...
I wish you wouldn't infer that Al or I EVER delete posts. We don't, and we won't unless it's extreme and vulgar and most importantly requested of by several members (that has only happened once). We pride ourselves on not having to police the boards. If folks want to get into it, that's ok with us. This is a big community and occationally folks disagree. That makes it interesting. Kind of like watching an episode of Monster Garage. Yep sometimes people get nasty about it... that's life. But I digress. I don't want anyone to feel they can't say what they want to (within reason of the terms you agreed to when joining) without being policed. |
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Location: Austin, Texas | 16 years later and they're still going for $2K-$3K. |
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