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Location: Atlanta, GA. | After much deliberation, I've decided to offer my Adamas "slothead" For Sale.
Model # 1687-8 Ser # 0045-92 with OHSC.
under edit:
re: OHSC -
This Ovation hard case is the plain tan version and does not have the gold speckles on it.
A NOS case cover has recently been acquired and is included.
I won't bore anyone with a description, but I must disclose what I consider to be issues with the instrument.
1 - The strap ring at the base of the neck was broken off when I bought the guitar. The screw portion remains in the neck. samova graciously donated a replacement ring which is included.
2 - The joint where the neck attaches to the block on the body has a slight ridge to it. There is no separation between the joints, it's just that you can feel the ridge when rubbed with your finger.
I've attempted to capture both of these items in the photos.
$10,000.00 if shipped within North America
$12,500.00 if shipped anywhere else.
Sorry, any trades will not be considered. Thank You. |
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Location: NJ | too cool
colin
please contact me I would like to get some pics of your guitar and the information of how you got it for a project I am doing.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Good luck. Just curious, why does it cost $2500. to ship it outside North America? Dave |
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Location: NJ | Yeah, . . Good Luck with this, Colin.
I'm gonna be down in Flah next week.
Gonna have to make a concerted effort to periodically "check-in" and see how this transpires . . . |
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Location: NJ | WAKE UP EVERYONE
someone posts the holy grail of Adamas guitars for sale and it gets only 5 responses???????
some pretzel gets 30???????
Is anyone even interested in guitars out there anymore?????? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | As I don't have 10K at the moment, unless someone wants a great deal on a 2004 Moto Guzzi Ballabio that I have for sale..... what is there to say? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | A pretzel is something I can relate to. 10 ger for an adamas isn't. But it is a very nice guitar. Dave PS, I DID account for 20% of the responses so far! |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | If they were selling for a penny-a-piece, all I could do is run up and down the street hollerin'......"That shore is cheap!!" :( |
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Location: SoCal | What do you want me to say Al? I drooled on my keyboard and thought about the OFC'er. I can't afford 10 grand and am hoping to get away for less than half that for the OFC.
Believe me, if I had the money, I'd have this guitar. But I have a wife, 2 kids, 2 dogs, and a mortgage I can't afford. And on $200 a day plus expenses.... |
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Location: NJ | mooody
and i have a wife 2 pickups a moat etc
every one has expenses just be excited about this guitar |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Where's Eensy-Weensy? :rolleyes:
Pretzels I can afford. |
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Location: SoCal | Without ever seeing one, let alone playing one, yet recognizing what others have said - hard to justify. Yet, will be consoled with the Serge's CA, Hamer Newport 12, 2005 Collector's, 12-fret Adamas, and the OFC.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Tony, your good at picking up orphans until they can find a new home!
Grab this one and I will provide the wall space for you until you get some of those swing out Hercules hangers to free up more space. |
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Location: boulder | Well,
I have a few questions, maybe anyone could answer.
1 Is the neck a one piece or not?
2 Is that an ebony strip running down the back of the neck?
3 It appears the neck and bridge are gloss finished, is this right? Or is that bridge similar to the impregnated walnut fingerboard?
4 Is the binding similar to the pick guard (substance wise), since they seem to be the same color?
5. lastly, how many slotheads have the speckled bowl coloring? It is kinda cool.
I hope someone at OFC ends up with it, but as for me, OFC reissue is much more realistic.
besides I think the frozen burrito that looked like satan was more real looking then the pretzel that looked like the madonna and child., even if it did "only" sell on ebay for $1000.
Good Luck Colin, peace mike |
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Location: Midland, MI | I'm with T28, Tony can pick it up, and we'll put our names on a list and send it 'round to everyone...just like the book. Sound good? Great! Just remember, my house is first stop on the tour. :) |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by fugot:
[QB] Well,
I have a few questions, maybe anyone could answer.
1 Is the neck a one piece or not?
no
2 Is that an ebony strip running down the back of the neck?
that ain't no ebony that's graphite!!!!
3 It appears the neck and bridge are gloss finished, is this right? Or is that bridge similar to the impregnated walnut fingerboard?
gloss
4 Is the binding similar to the pick guard (substance wise), since they seem to be the same color?
don't think so
5. lastly, how many slotheads have the speckled bowl coloring?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | In the 5 years that I've been aware of it, exactly 5 slotheads have sold or changed hands in one way or another. So, likely this trend will continue and we'll see another one of these beauties available sometime next year. The re-issue will probably hurt the value. This guitar is worth every bit of 10 ger to someone, but frankly to me the re-issue is MUCH more appealing. |
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Location: France | this guitar is a dream, but like a dream, it's often dificult to realise, too much money, and Al said the re-issue 47 price will be sold about 5000 $, so, I'm thinking like standingovation, it is more appealing and...cheaper
ugly baby jones |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | It's a beautiful Guitar. Believe me, Like everyone else, If I had the cash, I'd own this guitar. I think i like the idea of everyone chiping in and let it reside say, 4 weeks of the year with each member who donates cash for the cause. It's be a first.. but it may keep fellow members from drooling all over their computer keyboards. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | alpep,
Thanks for answering Fugot's questions far better than I could have. I'll e-mail you about your request.
StandingO,
More of a clumsy attempt to keep it close to home...
If nothing else, this certainly squelched all the inquiries I was receiving! |
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Location: NJ | 3 Wouldn't call it a "gloss" neck (as in what you see on other O "gloss" neck). I believe it may be the impregnated walnut that's been waxed, but not positive (Sam? Bill??)
4 The binding around the top is a one-piece ring of fibreglass that has a pattern carved into it, and also has a bit of gold accents applied to it (some are more gold than others).
When I'd heard the news that there was gonna be a SlotHead Re-Issue, I had mixed emotions. I was very glad that these fabulous guitars would be a available to wider group of people (especially the fanatics enrolled herein), but I was somewhat reticent in that the re-issue would have a bit of an adverse effect on the "street value" of the original SlotHeads.
In reflection, I've come to the realization that having the reissue available will probably mean a good degree of potential buyers (who are looking for this as the KICK-ASS guitar that it IS) will probably opt for the re-issue (which I assume will be a substantially lesser price). This means that the prime target audience will become a more finite concentration of Ovation/Adamas Fanatics/Collectors that will want this for the the GUITAR that it IS, but more importantly, the guitar that it REPRESENTS. Without running the risk of offending any of our Japanese brethren (not my intent), I fear that this guitar will end up leaving the country and end up there.
In a private e-mail exchange, Al made a very good analogy in that there have been numerous re-issues of '59 LesPauls that have all sold rather well. Ultimately, it had no adverse effect on the collectibilty/value of the original '59LP's. People STILL covet them for both the guitar itself, and the "mojo" contained therein . . .
Cwk2 once made the analogy that these original guitars were Ovation's version of Martin's legendary Pre-War HolyGrail. They are tangiable testaments to Charlie's (and Bill's) "Master Stroke". I would readily assume that they were executed with a great degree light-headed enthusiasm (a degree of which was probably resin fumes :-) Caution was thrown to the wind, and all talents and resources were thrown AT these guitars to make them the best they could possibly be (sonically and aesthethically). The result was nothing short of absolutely STUNNING.
Granted, there are NOT a lot of people that'll readily plunk down TenLarge for the guitar itself. But I would like to think that there are those out there that would appreciate that value of posessing a piece of Ovation History in which Charlie probably "sighted" and carressed each neck for possible imperfections, and that somewhere in between the layers of hand-laid fibreglass you might find a strand or two of Bill's hair (when he had more of it ;-)
Do I think it worth $10K? Yup.
Do I think somebody'll pay that much for it?
Not right away (I don't think).
But I do think that eventually it will sell.
Sadly, I think it'll end up residing somewhere over the meridian . . . where Ovations get the respect that they deserve.
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Location: NJ | Hey, Colin!
When you have some time, could you do me a favor??
On the backside of the headstock is a little brass screw. Take a small screwdriver and unscrew it. This will release the carved walnut truss rod cover on the front. Remove the cover, and let me know if there is a number scratched on the backside of the cover and/or inside the the truss rod cavity in the peghead. Mine has a number "20" carved in both. Up until I'd found this place, I was under the impression that mine was #20 (my guitar doesn't have the lable in it anymore). Trying to figure out if the number had something to do with numbering the necks during production, or something.
Just curious if yours says anything.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | These fingerboards were not impregnated, just plain walnut. The neck is one piece but the heel is added on so it's not a "one piece" neck. There is a strip of grafite down the back and two more under the fingerboard making the neck like an I beam, when one stretches the other compresses and hopefully keeps it straight.
All the bowls were speckled as were the cases. I don't remember seeing any comments about the case or case cover, Cholloway, can you help us here? You got the original case and cover?
The binding was a tanish/brown epoxy resign with glass cloth under it. The pickguard is just clear polyester. This one has yellowed a bit. (so what, it just proves this is an old guitar)
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Location: NJ | how many times have they reissued the 59 les paul???? answer a bunch
has it effected the price of real 59's? yes they are more popular and worth more money now
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | I have to disagree with you guys about the reissue hurting the value of the original slotheads.Did the D-45 being reissued ever hurt the value of an original pre war D-45? No! in fact they have been climbing in price thru the years.Also we are assuming that the reissue will be a "dead on" accurate example of the preproduction model.Also we are assuming that it will sound the same as #47 or other early slotheads.So,i dont believe the slothead price will be effected at all by the reissue.Collectors who want them will buy them over the reissue and i see the preproduction adamas' climbing in value thru the years.I would still want to buy more of the early slotheads if i can but have no interest in the reissue at $5000.... |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Bill, i can answer you about the case as i saw it here at my home.It does not have the spekled case or the case cover.He does have the original sales slip from where he bought the guitar at a msic store and also the repair slip from kaman from when he sent it back to have it refretted.. |
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Location: NJ | Sam;
I've seen the sales slip as well . . .
(pretty f&^%#g AMAZING, isn't it? :-)
Lemme reiterate that my INITIAL thoughts were that it would affect the "value" of the guitar.
I don't think that'll be the case.
If anything, it'll just lessen the "audience" a bit to the more discerning, intrinsic collector(s).
Sam;
While I've got you "on the line" as it were:
Do any of yours have a number under the trc's?
Don't remember if I'd asked you . . . |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Sam is correct... I only have the hard case that the salesman brought out of the storeroom at the
time of purchase. No doubt he didn't know any better than I did!!!
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This thread is finally catching up to the pretzel! |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Cliff,
#12 looks to be scratched on the back of the cover only. No where else. |
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The mystery continues . . . . |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | On Value, I am going to have to agree. In fact, I think the re-issue may even boost the value in the collectors market. The reason I believe this is that very few people even know anything about this guitar. Hopefully these new guitars Ovation is making and re-issuing will get the conversation going. Then the challenge would be out. Instead of a few people in the know attempting to find a rare guitar, there will be many people looking to find "the orginal" version.
Like Al said, you can buy Gibson reissues all day long for a couple grand, or you can buy an original for over a 100 grand, and they all sell. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I would agree that the reissue will have no effect on the price of these originals other than to create more awareness. That could play out as Miles has said here, to increase the value. Keep in mind that we are on the front end of this bubble. Who knows where it will go in 10-20-30 years. |
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Location: boulder | Well on one hand,
Did anyone in 1905 think about Martins or gibsons as investments, maybe a select few. In 2005 is anyone thinking about Ovations as an investment, maybe a select few. I always figure, if I really like something, I am not the only one.
On the other hand,
investment and collecting for investment is all about perceived values. Reality is, some of us would give $10K in a heartbeat to own cholloways guitar. Others wouldn't give $100 because they 'perceive' it as plastic and inferior.
Wasn't there a guy who swayed public opinion about Ovations by putting them in the right spot at the right time for the masses to see and become aware of?
(ZZtop at sturgis playing racing stripe elites comes to mind, or just give some new good ones to string cheese incident,)
I mean I just watched a 20 year old guy the other day buy a pretty looking Ibanez hollow body over a much better sounding celebrity model. Those were his choices, because the store mostly carries celebrity's and ultras and maybe a balladeer. They stock those because they sell those the most (I know what comes first chicken or the egg). It seems like most people perceive Ovations has being celebrity's, when that changes, the demand for O's will increase and then the price.
Hopefully the catalyst to change will be all the new models, both a and o, and the surrounding publicity. I still love playing them regardless.
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Location: NJ | ". . Did anyone in 1905 think about Martins or gibsons as investments . ."
Ask Moody - he was around then . . . |
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Location: NJ | The Adamas is the flagship of the line. The slothead the holy grail.
IMHO what has happened to the Adamas in the past 10 years was a disgrace. Now with the anniv models they have a chance of gaining back some of their former glory and when that new one gets released I am confident you will see a whole new group of Adamas and Ovation users out there.
What is the best way to drive up the price? create a shortage, or a mystique.
How many of us have actually played an original slothead adamas? Maybe 50? But how many of us want one maybe all 50?
but what the hell do I know I am just an idiot that sells gear for a living and I never took any business classes, plus Michael Wong says I am the worst business man on earth. |
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Location: SoCal | ". . Did anyone in 1905 think about Martins or gibsons as investments . ."
Ask Moody - he was around then . . .
Well, yeah. That's why I have a 1914 0018 Martin. |
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Location: NJ | Speaking of which . . .
Master Wong has been noticeably absent from this thread.
Michael . . . . . here's your chance. |
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I have had enough abuse without michael yelling at me again. |
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Actually, I love their cover of 'Gin and Juice.' Nothing beats bluegrass rap. :D |
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Location: SoCal | To bring this thread back around, what's the lastest on the sale of this slot? |
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I'm outta here for a week.
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Location: NJ | yes you still have a wife kids dog house and car so you can't buy it |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | Two kids but only one dog and no mortgage...still can't buy it. Woe is me. :(
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Location: So. Cal. | Cliff,
I am more interesting in talking about the slothead's history, construction and sound. The fact that somebody thinks it's worth 10K or more eludes me. As a collectible or antique, the price is whatever somebody is willing to pay for it, there is no yardstick. As all of us agree and hope (in vain!) Ovation is not quite Martin yet on the collectors market. Most people wouldn't pay more than a couple of thousands for any Ovation (Adamas or no Adamas).
Anyway, the slotheads that I have actually played (an honor, no less) are all wonderful instruments. But they are not out of this world. There are equally amazing sounding Martin's and countless boutique brands. It is special to us because we are Ovation fans. For 10K, I'll add a few more and find that '33 OM-45. |
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Did Colin ever sell it? |
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Here is the continuation:
Slothead #45 For Sale |
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34 WOW only 34. How many other members, besides Cliff own one? |
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http://www.ovationfanclub.com/slotheads.asp
Also check out http://www.OvationGallery.com look under original slotheads.
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