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Location: NJ | I have a 1651-7 available. it is a john Lennon reissue model made for the Japanese market. It has all the corresponding accoutrements in English and Japanese. it has the original 2 knob pre amp also. includes HSC
The guitar is in perfect condition but is considered used. if interested e me, if no response it will go on e bay soon.
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Location: SoCal | 
SOLD!! 100 for Japanese market only
Legend Limited Histrical Re-Issue
MODEL:1651-7
FINISH: Nutmeg Gloss
TOP: Sitka Spruce
BODY: Deep Bowl, Non-Cutaway
SOUNDPORT: Center Sound Hole
ROSETTE: Original Style, Pearloid Inlay
NECK: Mahogany / Maple 5 peace
NECK FINISH: Natural Gloss
FINGERBOARD: Deluxe grade Ebony
INLAYS: Original Legend Type Pearloid Inlay
BRIDGE: Walnut
MACHINE KEYS: Schaller Gold Ovation
PICKUP: OCP-1 Original Patented Pickup
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Location: Tennessee | I saw these in various stages of production at the factory tour ... beautiful guitars! |
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Location: SoCal | Photos of John and his Legend:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.wata... d%2Breissue%2B%2B1651%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8" target="_new">Legend |
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Location: SoCal | Gollee...didn't realize that this is a Legend Limited or Ltd, last made in 1983.
Made last year, has AAA spruce, ebony fretboard, deep bowl, and A brace...seems to be a less frills Custom Legend.
And, all but one of the 100 were sold to Japan...too bad I can't read Japanese. |
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Location: NJ | as crazy as this may sound I have another one of these guitars on it's way to me. I am NOT sure if this one is part of the 100 limited Japanese guitas but it will have all the same physical accoutrements. This one will carry a 5 year frg warranty.
If you are a Lennon or Beatles collector, this is a guitar that you want. if you are not a Lennon or Beatles fan you will want it because it is a beautiful looking and sounding instrument.
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Location: NJ | Just got the word that these are from the limited run of 100 and I will proably have a couple more come my way. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Back in your court, Du...I mean Sir. :D
(That is you have more mail, Al.) |
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Location: SoCal | Well, has # 2 sold?
And, I thought I had the only one :confused: |
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Location: SoCal | are you sure you didn't get all 100?????
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Al - did my buddy commit to grabbing one yet? If he does, mail it over to me and I'll get it to him, k? Puuhhhllleeeeze? Hell have it by Christmas, I promise! :D |
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Location: NJ | tony
when the smoke cleared I found myself holding 6 guitars. I am still stunned at how that happened.
weaser
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Location: SoCal | What the heck, you might end up being the Japanese Dealer of the Month.
Did they give you a volume discount? And, they didn't have to ship them very far... |
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Location: NJ | the only volume discount I got was when I yelled at my salesman on the phone |
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Location: SoCal | :rolleyes: :p :eek: :p :rolleyes:
Gee, maybe you should join a John Lennon Fan Club and casually mention the rarity, the purpose and the special fan club special mark-up ($3,500 without case). :p :p
In all seriousness, won't have mine until Tuesday but a Legend Ltd in new condition - great opportunity for a more than "reasonable" price. I believe that the last Limited (noncutaway, AAA spruce, deep bowl, A brace) production model was in 1983. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Dave, you'll have to start a serial number page for this one. I only make pages for models that I own.
PS: look for the page to be ready soon ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Oh, there are plenty of models I have never owned (some I've never wanted to). Ironically, I have never owned an Adamas I. This may be blasphomous but I personally think the whole carved headstock thing is pretty ugly. Just does not do anything for me compared to the sweet tapered Ovation standard stock. Just my own hangup. Of course that's not to say I don't lust over a slothead reissue.
Back to the subject of this thread, and the reason a wrote "I only make serial number pages for models I own", was my way of letting you know that I just ordered one of the John Lennon guitars from Al. Complete impulse buy. Why battle the mall crowds on Friday when I can just do my xmas shopping right here with Al.
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| "This may be blasphomous but I personally think the whole carved headstock thing is pretty ugly. Just does not do anything for me compared to the sweet tapered Ovation standard stock."
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Location: SoCal | Three more available?
If Al puts them on eBay, his minimum price should be above what he is offering these for.
This isn't a Legend, it is a Legend Limited.
Only way to get a NEW deep bowl, non cutaway, AAA spruce, ebony fretboard, A brace without buying a 1769-ADII (DiMeola) or the 1719-30CM (2004 30th Anniv CL) - if you can find one and for a lot more $'s.
From what I understand, these were never offered to the U.S. market. Pretty rare, only 100 made.
Issued to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Lennon's death (12/08/80), these were selling for about $2,300 USD or more in Japan. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Al and Tony - have you (or anyone else onboard here for that matter) played one? What can you say about the voice of this particular model? Is there another model that has a similar build and voice to compare it to or is it unique to the family? That is, is this guitar special more so as a collector's item or a player? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I played a used Legend Limited a few years ago at Milano's. To me it sounded pretty much like a standard A braced Legend. As I recall it was pretty cheap ($350?) but I thought the nutmeg finish was ugly. That was before I had seen photos of John Lennon playing one. My how opinions can be changed.
Collector or player? I think both. For the price of a new Legend LX you get a bullet proof 1651-7 with a little bit of history to it. And maybe due the rarity could escalate in value. It would be interesting to know of the 100 made, how many didn't go to Asia (at least 6).
This was a guitar I absolutely did not need. But something about the opportunity to own one just felt "right".
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Location: SoCal | As to how it sounds...should get mine Tuesday. Do not believe that I will be disappointed.
We know the basics...type of pre-amp, deep bowl, non-cutaway, ebony fretboard, neck, AAA spruce, A bracing, etc.
It is a Custom Legend without the abalone which looks good but doubt if it makes it sound different.
Other than anything they may have done (?scallop bracing), finish should look close to the '76 Patriot (beautiful) and it should sound like a Custom Legend (beautiful).
In line with some of my other posts about wanting to try before buy...this is different. We are talking about known factors...I have deep bowl, non-cutaway CL's and two Patriots.
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Location: Tennessee | I mentioned earlier that I spied these when on the factory tour. I told somebody that day (might have been Moody?) that of all the guitars we saw that day, if I could take one home that would be it. What surprised me was how light it was when I picked it up. Which leads to the question of whether this has the LX technology ... it does have a truss rod. Does the CM-30 have the LX neck ... if not, maybe that's what they used. And yeah, it definitely looks a LOT better in person than the pictures. |
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Location: Tennessee | Maybe I asked the wrong question ... I know the 1651-7 has a "normal" deep bowl, not the contour. But I was wondering if it has the new "micro-bubble" bowl material, and if the CM-30 had it then the likelihood is higher. Especially if they use the LX neck system. |
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Location: SoCal | I wanted to have a Legend LX built using a deep bowl and the older Legend (read that as larger) inlays built. Was told for almost a year that it would have required a new mold to be built and it wasn't going to happen. Turns out that Ovation was preparing the contour bowl instead. |
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Location: closely held secret | Paul, why are you always wishing for what they tell you you can't have? |
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Location: Le Havre (France) | Originally posted by Standingovation:
I do believe Mr. PI is right. Never seen a deep LX. Dave The 2005 Collector has a LX and a contour bowl, isn't the contour bowl a deep one ? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Contour and Deep are different. I think I was told that the cavity volume of a contour is between a mid and a deep. In total the bowls from smallest to deepest are Supershallow, Adamas upershallow, Artist, Mid, Contour, Deep, Adamas Deep.
A side effect of the Ovation process (as Moody states) is that tooling up for a new bowl is a BIG deal ($$$). That's why you can't just pick up the phone and order a Lefty Deepbowl LX, for example.
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Location: Tennessee | Confusion breeds confusion. Did Ovation just put the dual-action truss rod in an old neck design? Or if it is the LX neck, how can they fit that to an old style bowl since all other LXs require the new bowl design? I'd just wait for the guitar to show up, but the deal I made with lady stonebobbo was that she could confiscate the box upon arrival and hold it for under the tree. Al, did she make a deal with you to mark the box "Do Not Open Until Christmas"? ;) |
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Location: Le Havre (France) | Thank's Dave !
Silly question : have you ever heard about an Elite or Legend with and Adamas deep bowl ? |
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have you ever heard about an Elite or Legend with and Adamas deep bowl ? I read somewhere here that a few of the early 1537's had adamas mounting ring. |
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Location: SoCal | The pain...UPS didn't deliver until 8:25pm, was wondering if it would come in.
# 596187
Wonderful guitar...Stonebobbo, you are right, lighter than I expected. Another great example of Ovation's quality. Great voice.
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Location: SoCal | only thing that it is missing is the abalone :p
it is an exquisite instrument...great neck, workmanship, voice.
can only appreciate it by playing it...
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Location: SoCal | Anyone else get their guitar yet?
This is a different bowl...feels very thin even compared with the 1719-30CM (30th Anniv Custom Legend).
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Location: Tennessee | Got mine and lady stonebobbo was kind enough to let me do an "arrival inspection" before it was put away for Christmas. Bowl does feel thin, and the finish on the bowl is different than any of my other O's ... seems thinner and somehow smoother and less "pebbley" but it's hard to really describe it given I only had a few minutes with it. The s/n seems to be printed on the headstock and not embossed?? Did you also notice the truss rod adjustment hole on the bracing inside the soundhole ... although I think the truss rod adjustment is at the headstock. The top is absolutely gorgeous in nutmeg. Schaller tuners, not Pings! You're right Tony, nice voice!
I'm stoked ... the only downside is I have 18 days to wait until I can really put it through it's paces. :( |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Did you also notice the truss rod adjustment hole on the bracing inside the soundhole ... although I think the truss rod adjustment is at the headstock. I think it has the new dual action TR |
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Location: Tennessee | MUCH lighter, Paul.
I'm just an idiot who buys guitars instead of living ( ;) ), but I thought dual action just meant that it adjusted two directions, not that it adjusted from both ends. :confused: Maybe a primer on how dual action truss rods work is in order. |
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Location: Tennessee | Well, I'm still stumped. Thanks BruDev for the link but the picture didn't show me enough to help me understand. I did a pretty extensive web search and got a lot of info about how a dual action truss rod adjusts both directions, but I did not find anything at all which shows or even alludes to adjustment nuts at both ends. I went to the Ovation site and checked out their pictures of the LX series (with the dual acting truss rod) ... they only had a picture of an Elite style neck but there was no adjustment nut at the body side of the neck, only at the headstock. Dumb and getting dumber. :o |
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Location: SoCal | Well, there is a hole in the horizontal bracing. Same hole as in the 30th Anniv CL. Has to be one long wrench to adjust.
Have never seen Ovation's adjustment instructions for the dual rod. As I had the trc off of it, definitely ability to adjust at the headstock. |
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Location: Tennessee | What a nightmare it would be to have to adjust a truss rod using two different points. Brings back bad memories of trying to synchronize dual Webers on my old 356. To get it right required either a really good mechanic or hours of aborted attempts, backfires, and cussing.
MIB ... I'll send it to you as long as Al assures me the results of your work will be covered by the factory Warranty. :-) P.S. Did you see the story on the Cayman in Road & Track this month? |
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5409 cc (5.4 liter)
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0-60mph = 4.5 seconds.
Vrooooom
and $1,156,000 less than the other "cover story" car - Bugatti Vetron 16.4 :p :p
By the way, R&T Best Car 2006 is the Corvette Z206 (0-60 in 3.9 seconds) |
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Location: Keller, TX | So, who has one? Al still has mine. He is holding it so it doesn't sit on a frozen shipping dock in Chicago over the holiday. Should get it on Friday.
When I ordered it from Al, he said that he now has one left.
The list I have is:
Tony Calman
Dave Witko
stonebobbo
ME
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whoever shantisf9 (361) is?? |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | I did have a friend who wanted one but I couldn't close the deal. He's definitely new to the sickness of GAS and was thinking he'd like to pick something up in the $400 - $500 range. I took him shopping and he opened his eyes to what a couple more dollars could get him and I had him seriously considering the Lennon. Then - and here was the killer - he spooke to his older sister - the NUN, who doubles as a diehard Martin freak. (She has two and is actually very good but wants no part of a "plast...", well, you know where that is going). Anyway, he shrank from the pressure. Too bad but I showed him no mercy - I told him it would probably go to a better home anyway... ;)
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Location: Maryland, USA | Man that looks like a sweet guitar...unfortunately, I have no money at all to spend on ANY guitar...one day...I'll hope to own an Ovation acoustic.
And a John Lennon one would be superb, if I ever found a used one once I get some more cash. |
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Location: Maryland, USA | I don't think I'd ever forgive myself is I sold or traded the D-18...it was the first "real" acoustic I ever had.
When I was a child I had an inexpensive children's acoustic. 5 years later I picked up my first electric (Ovation Viper 1271), and never touched the children's acoustic because I was too big for it...
Then a couple years later, I decided I wanted an acoustic again, and I saved my money and shopped around and chose the D-18.
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Location: Keller, TX | Tony, Dave, Bob, ?
Any of you have photos of yours that you could send to me. All I have is the one at the beginning of this thread. Won't get mine until Friday - If Al shipped it today.
Any comments on the sound, how it compares to the 1681/1581?
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Go to my website. There is a whole page of photos.
You can't compare to the Adamas guitars. Different animals. To me the Lennon sounds more like my Custom Legend LX. The thing I was the most impressed with about the Lennon is how perfectly it was set up. All Ovations come well adjusted, but this one just seemed extra perfect.
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Location: Tennessee | I have some pictures but they are in the camera not on the computer so I can't send any right now. Mine was set up really nicely like Dave's was. The thing that I've noticed about my Lennon is that it is very percussive ... far more than any of my other acoustics. I get great tone and volume from palm/finger mutes and wide tone variance as you move your picking hand from neck to bridge. There's nothing like a deep bowl! Only bummer is that the preamp is not working quite right. :( But that can be fixed. The rest of the guitar is a dream (#9). |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Pre-amp? Geez, never plugged mine in yet. Sounds too good acoustically, why screw it up. Dave |
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1651-7 john lennon model