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Location: Chicago | My "mystery seller" in last week\'s thread out of the blue writes this. Am I caught in a Catch-22? Check it out:
"THIS IS THE DEAL. BECAUSE I DONT HAVE MORE THAT SOME MONTHS WITH EBAY,
PAYPAL FROZEN MY ACCOUNT FOR 21 DAYS BEFORE I CAN ACCESS THE FUNDS.
I HAD TO REFUND EVERYBODY'S MONEY. WICH I DID.
THE PROBLEM IS: I DONT TRUST ON ANYBODY AT THIS POINT, BUT IF YOU CAN SEND A TRUSTFULL FORM OF PAYMENT LIKE CHECK (WITH FUNDS), OR A MONEY ORDER, I WILL SHIP THE ITEM AS SOON AS THE FUNDS CLEAR IN MY ACCOUNT.
BUT THE FASTEST WAY IS DEPOSITING DIRECTLY TO MY CHECKING ACCOUNT WITH BANK OF AMERICA. I AM WILLING TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL INFO LIKE ACCOUNT NUMBER, ADRESS, AND YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT AT THE BANK WITH NO PROBLEMS.
PLEASE REPLY." |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | I'd say walk away. They will get paid when the first of 3 things happen, according to the new rules:
1) 3 days after delivery is confirmed if they enter the delivery tracking info at paypal
2) as soon as the buyer provides positive feedback
3) 21 days
Either they are caught up on the 21 day thing and overlooking the other two, or they are trying to take advantage of the confusion about this to scam you. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Smells fishy. I never trust anyone who types in all caps and can't spell. That eliminates most people. |
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Location: big island | Originally posted by FlySig:
like your ass is on fire instead of your guitar... :D |
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| quote: "run"
And don't look back. And block further emails from this "seller." Or if you have the time and energy you can scam the scammer as did this person . He/she is undeniably a scammer, since he/she originally claimed to have already shipped the guitar. Now the poorly spelled (Nigerian, anyone?) story claims to need payment before shipment. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I gave up on a Nice Takamini Travel Guitar for less provocation...
In your final email (should you choose to bother sending one) you could point-out that if he/she had sent the guitar, they would have gotten their positive FB and gotten their Money.
I wouldn't trust this person anyway... How long has this been going on now?
If they just wanna sell a nice guitar without PayPal/eBarf, why don't they just list it locally? |
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada | "...SHIP THE ITEM..."
To lazy to even detail these blanket emails with the word "guitar"...probably forgot just what exactly they were scaming you for. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | SCAM! Just move on, it's a crime waiting to happen, maybe report to ebay? But no more communication with the seller. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I agree with most that it's probably not worth the risk... however... I have seen some pretty weird stuff on PayPal lately.
As example, someone bought a pedal from me. He paid with PayPal, but PayPal states the funds won't clear until June 20th. He made the payment on May 31. Now, I'm obviously not shipping anything until the funds clear, and I sent a message to the person letting them know. I have no idea why it would take 21 days for a payment to clear. I have people use eChecks all the time, and the most I have ever seen is a week to clear, so this is odd.
I am also fully prepared for negative feedback or at the very least a hit on my shipping time, because it's going to be over a month before he sees the item he paid for... and I can't do anything about it.
I can't even be trusting if I want to, because PayPal isn't showing the shipping icon and there is a clear warning...
"This eCheck payment will post to your PayPal balance once the funds have cleared from the sender's account, which usually takes 3-5 business days. (Estimated completion date: Jun. 20, 2008) Please do not ship any items until the funds have cleared."
This is what PayPal and eBay call "improvements."
I just hope they don't take too long to sort all this out. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by g8r:
Now the poorly spelled (Nigerian, anyone?) story claims to need payment before shipment. Don't get me started on Nigerians. I have a long story about my trip to Cape Town |
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Location: UK | But .......
PayPal also froze my account, very annoying when it was full of cash and I could not spend any of it!!! Apparently I had reached a milestone and they needed to confirm I was real. Simple enough, all they had to do was phone. Yep, but when the phoned the line went cut. I phoned them. No sorry, they can only use the phone method once. What .... !!! ? They had to send me a letter, up to 21 days, with a code number. Took two weeks before I got it back. Still, as I suffer severly from GAS it saved me a fortune.
On the other hand, don't part with anything until money is in your bank. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I, too, would walk away from this and nver look back. Nonetheless, based on Miles' post, it is unfortunate that changes have been made not necessarily in the best interests of buyers and sellers. Maybe eBay is making something on the float. If all this is true, it will do one of two things, among others. First, it will change the expectations of the current delivery model for eBay purchases using Paypal. Second, it will cause a lot of folks to go back to alternative forms of payment which then opens the door for the possibility of more scams. Power sellers may find it more convenient to set up a Visa merchant account and bypass Paypal altogether. |
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Location: NJ | click. |
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Location: The State of Hockey | Scam, "run away" as is the Holy Grail. They told you they shipped it, they have already lied to you. Block this person from your ebay account and your emails.
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Location: Chicago | The elders have spoken.
I'm outta there.... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | All the more reason to attend local gatherings and purchase from OFC Members.
If a Northwest Member lets you down Me and Big D will, for a minimal fee - Paypal accepted, go over and kick their arse for you. |
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Location: Chicago | I ONLY deal with Members. Most recently Temp and Stphen "28". This auction concerned a Boss 1600CD recorder which I requested HERE (under "FOR SALE") nearly a month ago. No one responded so I turned to the bay. |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Yes, I'd be very wary - PayPal don't muck about like this without any reason, you've either got funds in your account or you haven't.
BUT I DONT NO WOT MARK MEANS ABBOUT TIPING INCAPPITALS AND NOT BEEING AYBLE TO SPEEL |
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Location: Chicago | Yeah. What's wrong with a nice African banker who wants to give me two million dollars? The only thing he asks is my bank ID, the address, the checking account number, routing number and (preferably) details on two credit cards: numbers, codes, and balances. What possibly could go wrong? You guys are mean and suspicious! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Uhhhhh.....NO! |
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Location: Jax, Fl or lost in Ga woods, again… | DOBRO does sound fishy, but about PayPal for anyone,
I just went through the "new Policy"
It sucks, I just sold an Reverb unit, my money was "Payment Held" or "until Positive Feedback & Canfirmation of Delivery" gues what still no release of funds, after 2 phone calls and Numerous Very nasty emails to EBay & Paypal my money was finally released today, 2 weeks later.
IF YOUR UNDER 100 transactions this will happen due to "New Buyer Protections" (BS)
TIP: I also just sold a $2500 Strat via EBay & PaPal got my money imediatly cause; I sent a payPal Invoice for Goods or Services" DON"T let your buyer pay via EBay check-out or Ebay Invoice if your under 100 transactions & you get your money ASAP,,,,hope this helps.....
SOAP BOX think of all the intrest PayPal is now making holding up funds for up to 21 days on top of the fees !!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Jax, Fl or lost in Ga woods, again… | Yes my spelling is BAD, I still get mad thinking about this,I had to wait on my money for 2 weeks,while they made intrest, someone needs to start a Class Action on this ,,,OK, OK I'm done sorry |
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Location: Chicago | There is no arguing with the logic and caution here. I have bid on another Boss 1600cd. Better price, too! |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Second, it will cause a lot of folks to go back to alternative forms of payment which then opens the door for the possibility of more scams. Power sellers may find it more convenient to set up a Visa merchant account and bypass Paypal altogether. EBay have anticipated this and are moving to remove the options of other forms of payment. They are testing this out in Australia, where, in a few weeks time, the only acceptable payments will be cash and Paypal. This is being challenged by the regulatory body here (ACCC). Stay tuned for the outcome, if they are successful here, they'll probably roll this out across the world. :mad: |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Looks like that idea got put on ice , at least for the time being. |
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Location: Scotland | Ebay UK bans the solicitation of cash payments by distance sellers. As for removing the acceptance of credit card payments by merchant account holders, this would be seen under UK law as "Restraint Of Trade" and would be laughed out of court. I hope the ACCC are succesful. |
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Location: Chicago | Is there a similar "restraint of gig bag" for suckers in the US? C'mon... I await the item, DUDE. |
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Location: Scotland | Greg, I'm a dumbass, I should've had Cliff bring one back over and ship it from NJ. I'll get back on it, promise, and apologies. It's out of the usual system (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it) |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Greg, I'm a dumbass He finally admits it. Somehow when you get married, it's much easier to admit things like this..... |
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Location: NJ | it's the ConstantReminding . . . |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):
They are testing this out in Australia, where, in a few weeks time, the only acceptable payments will be cash and Paypal. First i've heard of this Dicky, but I haven't sold anything on eBay for some time now.
I've ALWAYS used direct bank deposit for selling AND buying. The only time I use PayPal is for overseas purchases. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by cliff:
it's the ConstantReminding . . . ...aka 'nagging'? |
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Location: NJ | "...aka 'nagging' . ."
WHAT did you SAY???
. . . nothing, Dear. |
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Location: Chicago | Really: the bag looks superior. I don't care if it takes a few extra bucks. Also my Fender nylong bag is TOTALLY shot, I mean... GONE. |
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ebay saga continues