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Location: here, there and everywhere | Hi, I've been checking you guys out for a while and this seems like a great site. Congratulations to all of you.
Now my question;
I have an old Ovation cutaway and want to learn to play higher up the neck but the action seems too high. Should I pull out one shim or two from under the saddle?
The company I work for has recently been through a downsizing and I now find myself home all day without much to do. Might as well relearn the guitar. It does make the wife and rest of the family a little crazy but I am the man of the house so I do what I want. And I want to play guitar! |
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Location: NJ | Whatever you take out from under the saddle will lower the action by HALF that thickness at the 12th fret. Use that as a "guide" . . .
(Or, just trytaking ONE out & see if that's enough)
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Location: NJ | ". . but I am the man of the house so I do what I want . ."
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I am the man of the house Trailer Trash ... house... 
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by Trailer Trash:
... but I am the man of the house so I do what I want. Me, too. Until the woman of the house tells me otherwise. |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | ". . but I am the man of the house so I do what I want . ."
Me, too, as long as I get permission first... |
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Location: here, there and everywhere | OK, maybe I went a little overboard. I do what I want around the house as long as the wife approves.
Thanks for the answers about the shims. I guess I'll take one out and see what happens. Do you think it's a good idea to put on thinner strings at the same time? I have a package of new Martin strings which I think are supposed to be pretty good ones. |
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Location: here, there and everywhere | I'll pull a shim out when I get around to restringing the guitar this afternoon. I got to have my wife drive me downtown to the court, a little unfinished business, and I'll get to it later. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Stupendously Associated:
the court, a little unfinished business Like changing your user name from Trailer Trash to Stupendously Associated? |
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Location: big island | from "caravan rooubishe" to "trailer trash" to a mock of glenn's old handle, "amazingly detached". |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Stupendously Associated:
I got to have my wife drive me downtown to the court, a little unfinished business. This raises an interesting question concerning your Driver's License.
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Originally posted by lanaki:
from "caravan rooubishe" to "trailer trash" to a mock of glenn's old handle, "amazingly detached". I'm waiting for Bipolar to make an appearance. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Stupendously Associated:
I got to have my wife drive me downtown to the court, a little unfinished business... Watch out for those Maricopa County court rooms. I hear the prison industry is second only to tourism in that state. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | The Sheriff\'s Office there has a pretty unforgiving website also. |
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Location: Jet City | "Mugshots reflect bookings within the last 3 days. Individuals booked prior to that time will not be displayed."
WHEW, I won't be in there then. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Those pictures are never flattering. And the typeface for the numbers, so boring........ |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by cholloway:
The Sheriff\'s Office there has a pretty unforgiving website also.
Don't think I was arrested in Phoenix, but y'know...
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by Damon67:
Originally posted by Stupendously Associated:
I got to have my wife drive me downtown to the court, a little unfinished business... Watch out for those Maricopa County court rooms. I hear the prison industry is second only to tourism in that state. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Sheriff Joe Arpaio, one of my heroes! 
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| and I missed all this? cool.... :cool:
CR aka etc, etc, etc,........
just what is your particular and specific gripe with me?
just wondering.
Thanks,
btw... we sold the trailer, :p
I haven't been to court in over 8 years, and I turned myself in and plead guilty, and served my time like a man on that one, which was simple vop on an old dwls..... on a 10 yo dui charge.. I'd like to see you do a couple of months in Sharpes and on the Farm you might grow up a bit.,
so... here there and everywhere man...
Bite Me!
or at least tell me what's up your craw.
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Location: Texas | look at the mug shots for the day - Dang - there is a lot of drinking going on in Maricopa county :eek: |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I live in Maricopa country. Sherif Joe is a cult hero around here. I love the guy. Doesn't take crap from anyone. Today he stripped Shaq of his deputy badge because of some cus words that Shag used in his rap song banging on Kobe.
A few years ago the ACLU was all over Joe because he was spending $1.00 a day feeding the guard dogs and only spending $.90 a day feeding the inmates. Joes justification "the dogs deserve better than the inmates because the dogs never broke the law." You gotta love that!
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Location: SoCal | And, your question is?
Geez, every once in awhile we get a "newbie" Junior Member that can't can't remember what the toilet paper is for.
Well, maybe I should have more understanding...he probably is suffering from the heat out there. :eek: :p :p :eek: |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I know this Sheriff Joe stuff is OT, but Dave I gotta warn ya. I'm currently doing my PhD in criminology and the short term gain of Sheriff Joe is going to lead to long term pain in terms of crime rates. Will probably take a generation or two and buckets of money to reverse the damage. That simplistic sort of stuff appeals to voters but it just creates a stonger "us v them" mentality in the offenders, which is a key risk factor for further offending. Its no coincidence that the US has the highest incarceration rates in the world (and is no safer than any other western country despite locking up so many people). |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Something about shims....
And Yes, if the action is too high, I would take out a shim or two depending on how many you've got in there.
I would also consider putting D'Addario EJ15 Extra Light strings on there. You will not have as much Boom, but they will be a bit easier to start-out, until your fingers get strong and calloused.
And Sheriff Joe is an ass. It is a red-neck response to a real problem. Poverty and Homelessness. Some may think that the criminals deserve it, but most of the people in his Tent City are just Poor! If they could afford a real Lawyer, and Bail they wouldn't be there. Oppression always seems cool, until you are the one eating green baloney in a tent when it is 116 degrees outside. A rich person gets a hundred dollar fine and they pay it. A poor person gets the same fine, and ends-up doing 30 days in the desert. |
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Location: SoCal | Richard,
I can always refer you to some good studies by NCJRS or NIJ that reinforce taking responsibility for actions...
It is actually amazing how much criminal activity (non-substance) is not prosecuted or sentence is mitigated (whether juvenile or adult).
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Hi Tony,
I've read heaps of stuff from all sorts of sources over the last 12 years. A quick and ready summary is:
1) Detection appears to have a significant (good) effect on recidivism;
2) Various forms of punishment tend to have a slightly negative effect (e.g. incarceration, boot camp, tough probation) - although fines seem to reduce recidivism, but possibly because fines tend to be more likely given to prosocial people whereas tougher sanctions are delivered to the more criminal types;
3) Treatments (enforced) can reduce recidivism rates by up to 30% if they target higher risk offenders, address the factors related to recidivism and are delivered in particular ways. Properly designed treatment regimes can save more money than they cost.
4) Ignoring crime does not do anything useful.
The reason punishment doesn't work in the criminal justice system is because punishment is most effective when it is inevitable (most crime is not detected); immediate (even Sheriff Joe delivers punishment way too late - the ideal time is 1/2 second after the behaviour); understood to be related to the behaviour (most real criminals believe the crime is not their fault, hence they blame their punishers rather than themselves); alternative actions are seen to be available (again criminals often believe they have no viable alternative to crime); and severe.
Joe gets 1/5 and its not good enough for the punishment to deter the behaviour. In fact it tends to breed more resentment making points 3 & 4 even less likely. When punished, particularly if it is perceived as unfair, people are motivated to seek revenge.
If Joe's approach worked, the US and Maricopa county would have lower crime rates than other similar Western countries. They don't. |
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Location: SoCal | Sorry Richard, for the last eighteen years, I have been working with juveniles and adults assigned by the courts and probation. Face to face.
In the Marine Corps, I conducted Summary Court Martials, to include sitting on Special and General Court Martials.
Yes, we do not have enough enforcement...we can not place in effect all of the tools...must protect their civil rights.
However, we are not talking about NEEDS, we are talking about WANTS. Not impulse, most are premeditated crimes by predators on society. Their perceived wants are more important than those of the victim. These are not crimes for bread. We have transfer payments that are available.
They evaluate the odds (again, need for enforcement and consequences). Felony/Auto Theft...juveniles (17-18) would tell you that they were doing it UNTIL THEY GOT CAUGHT and until they were 18 (they were well aware of the difference in sanctions)...as a lark, to run drugs for their mother's boyfriend, etc. At the worst, unless adjudicated as an adult, they could only be incarcerated until age 25. Burglary, arson, armed robbery, carjacking, etc...same. In fact, for some, they only concern they have is the consequence. They have no remorse or concern for the victim or society in general.
There is an article tonight from Scottsdale, AZ of a gal clocked by cameras speeding 22 times in less than 2 months...finally given jail time for criminal speeding, reckless driving, and endangerment. Same article, gal from Chandler, AZ who threw away more than 70 speeding notifications - she said she didn't think anything would happen to her if she threw away the tickets. We have DUI programs, yet we eventually have to look at other measures, to include jail. Why has there been a reduction in DUI's? Some social stigma. Yet, most of the reduction is due to progressive sentencing, to include high fines/fees and jail time.
NIJ statistics state that the average juvenile perpetrator has committed a crime 4.3 times prior to the 1st arrest. What about the individual who continues as an adult?
Two basics...most people change for intrinsic (self) or extrinsic (external). If they won't or can't make the change themselves, for those who have the capacity to change, there needs to be sufficient external factors to effect change (incarceration and loss of freedom, fines, etc.)
This is true for theft, assault, etc., as well as motorists on our roads. For the motorist, fines, fees, higher insurance, and (eventually) suspension or recinsion of their license. If necessary, then incarceration (driving while suspended, manslaughter, etc.)
We have a juvenile justice system that has a lot of programs in place to help the young perpetrator change, that allows the criminal record to be sealed at 18. As an adult, there needs to be progressive consequences (especially for a repeat offender). No change...get them off of the streets. In California (as in most of the states), when they are allowed to reenter society, there are active reentry programs to help them get jobs. Even then, there is a high recidivism rate.
I mentioned "capacity to change"...yes, there are issues such as mental incapacity and substance. And, this does require a different approach. However, at some time, their actions may require removal from society.
I hear a lot about protecting the rights of the perpetrator...how about protecting the rights of law abiding citizens who are the victims? Personally, I believe protection of society and innocents is more important than the rights of an individual who intentionally breaks the law.
Sheriff Joe has a lower recidivism as his wards do not want to come back...sure, maybe they just move on. Or, maybe they are a little more aware of the consequences. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Tony,
I'll send you an email to avoid taking this list OT any longer.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I reckon the best guitar to use in an Arizona tent prison would be an Ovation.
Actually, make that a Celibacy.
No, what am I saying? - an Applesauce. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey, somebody posted about maricopa county and Sherif Joe, so I just commented for those that might now know that I in fact live there and I am a huge supporter of Sherif Joe. Just my opinion and certainly not worthy of unleashing the international dogs of war over. |
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yeah some are rants, some OT, some just plain stupid.
but we do kinda get to know each other a bit, and we keep coming back, and there is a lot of camaraderie and knowledge and genuine concern here...
plus a lot of great information about Ovation and Adamas guitars.... and important other facets of many of our lives.
maybe sometimes we should just shut up and talk about guitars, but just talking about guitars is not what makes this forum in my opinion, the best fanclub or discussion group on the www
Thanks Miles, and Al, and all of the rest of you for making it what it is.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Hey, somebody posted about maricopa county and Sherif Joe, so I just commented for those that might now know that I in fact live there and I am a huge supporter of Sherif Joe. Just my opinion and certainly not worthy of unleashing the international dogs of war over. So Sorry!
But when one person's rights are violated, we all lose a bit of freedom.
[I wish some of our "leaders" would realize this!]
As Americans, we are supposed to be raising the bar, not succumbing to revenge and glorying in beating people when they are down. We are supposed to represent the highest ideals of Freedom and Compassion. It is a slippery slope when you enjoy vengance.
"That will teach all them drunk leeches not to come to Phoenix!" (or where-ever)
"As you do unto the least of these, you've done unto Me"
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Location: SoCal | Arthur,
Just remember that this civil servant runs a short-term holding tank (jail) for individuals that average less than 10 days incarceration.
And, their actions against the victim and society resulted in their incarceration. They are responsible for their own actions...can't do the time, don't do the crime. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | My oldest grew up liking the Beach Boys and the songs I played on my Ovation. Then she dated guys who liked Korn and Slipknot. The most recent were both drummers. She and the current drummer recently moved to California and he didn't take long to get arrested. I'm wishing they had chosen Maricopa county.
I'm not very understanding when it comes to these bands whose main goal is to sell music to kids so that it pisses off their parents. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
can't do the time, don't do the crime. And dat's da name of dat tune.
As a former Maricopa County resident, I formally endorse the sheriff and his efforts. I'm sure the sheriff will rest easier at night now that he knows he has my full backing.
If you don't agree with me, that's OK. The world would be a pretty boring place if we all had the same thoughts and beliefs.
I also want to set the record straight as I was the one who started the whole Maricopa thing. I said it as a joke thinking this poster was in fact our own beloved Gallerinski (FKA Tupperware). I now know that it is not.
Apologies to you for the assumption Dave.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | No apology necessary. Heck, there were a few CR posts that even had me assuming he was me.
Back to Sherif Joe. No question that he is a polarizing figure. And it really does not matter where you stand on the topic. But a very interesting facet to his controvercy is that by a significant margin, the folks like myself who are touched by him in our own neighborhoods on a daily basis strongly support him. The critics are by-in-large from afar and judging from a distance. No disrepect Richard, and I congratulate you on your PhD, but you are judging Sherif Joe from fucking Australia. I'm judging him from living down the street from the guy. Doesn't make either one of us right or wrong, just highlights that our vantage points are significantly different. Sherif is an elected position and Joe has been re-elected umpteen times. If the people he touches on a daily basis did not approve of his actions they would not continue to re-elect him. Yes, rich law abiding white guys vote and poor minority criminals do not. But the fact remains that every single person eating green bologna in a 100 degree prison tent voluntarily chose to be there by their actions.
OK, let's talk about guitars.
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Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime.
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point. My main point is that the actions that Sheriff Joe is taking (although well intentioned) have been clearly associated with higher recidivism rates than the alternatives. Higher recidivism means MORE victims.
The choice is simple, go with Sheriff Joe (and the like) and you will have more victims. Sometimes you get a clearer view from a distance.
I've never tried to even remove an amp from a guitar. Taking shims out is the most exciting thing I've tried. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Waskel, come to the PNW gathering with a 12-string. I'll bring my OP-Studio. Either it'll work, or we'll get a little fireworks show. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard ):
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point.
OP Studio, not Pro, Dave. Just curious whether the compressor/exciter would make a 12 more interesting, or just muddy. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard ):
Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
Richard and Arthur... the criminals ARE NOT THE VICTIMS of a crime. Actually, most are, but that's not my main point. My main point is that the actions that Sheriff Joe is taking (although well intentioned) have been clearly associated with higher recidivism rates than the alternatives.
I don't believe that they are correct, and I have a very difficult time believing that the Sheriff would be re-elected over and over again if he wasn't effective in the fight against crime..... |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Moody,
I'll email you before Al jumps on me/us for going too far OT.
Anyone else feel free to email me too.
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | My main point is that the actions that Sheriff Joe is taking (although well intentioned) have been clearly associated with higher recidivism rates than the alternatives.
Well, I'm not getting my PhD, but I'd bet that research in this area goes either way. But, let's take an extreme example, which is what we engineers typically do to simplify very complex problems (issues). If you are suggesting that tougher penalties lead to higher recidivism rates, let's look at countries with extreme penalties, like Saudi Arabia. Their crime rate is/was much lower than "western" countries, as the penalties are so severe. They are a real deterrent. I've read that, in the last couple of decades, SA has "relaxed" a bit, at the same time, the crime rate has significantly increased. Coincidence?
Does anyone know where the post is that explains, step-by-step, how to remove shims without needing to restring (using a capo)? I did a search, but couldn't find it. |
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Location: Jet City | Does anyone know where the post is that explains, step-by-step, how to remove shims without needing to restring (using a capo)? I did a search, but couldn't find it. [/QB] As this thread is now treading on a thin sheet of ice, I'll stay away from the near-political topic and dive into this one.
I don't know where the thread is, but just hearing that it involves a Capo, I can get a pretty good idea of how it's being done, and what a GREAT way to do it. I've always wished for a third hand. Now I won't need to.
I would imagine it involves slacking the strings as much as possible, then pulling the slack towards the bridge, then capoing the strings as close as you can to the body.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
but you are judging Sherif Joe from bleep Australia. I'm from farking Australia too and I reckon the sheriff from farking Arizona is farking great. :cool:
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by muzza:
I'm from farking Australia too and I reckon the sheriff from farking Arizona is farking great.
But I'm from farking Australia so what would I farking know? How to throw shrimp on the barbie? |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I also know how to take an OP Pro out of a 2005ES collectors, but that would be going off topic. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm going to have to excuse myself from this conversation because quite honestly I don't know what recidivism is. But if anyone wants to know about eigenvectors I'm your man.
This has actually been a fun thread and I've enjoyed the banter. But it's time to put a lid on it.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | OT or not (considering the originator, eff the topic), I'm having mixed emotions as I type.
First of all, a perp as a fvcking victim?!?!?  My gawd, have any of the hand wringing libs been a direct victim of a crime?!?!? Eh?
The only aspect of the criminal system that bothers me is the WoD. What a fricking sham and waste of our tax money (granted, not the only waste)!
Now as to the flip side of my emotional outburst, the Second Amendment is alive and well as intended by our founding fathers.
OK, enough for now. I'm on vacation in the Keys and don't need nor want one in the OFC... 
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
But if anyone wants to know about eigenvectors I'm your man. Didn't Clint Eastwood star in that? |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
the Second Amendment is alive and well as intended by our founding fathers. Doesn't the fact that an amendment was needed imply that the founding fathers got it wrong? I'm only a foreigner from farking Australia, but you guys seem to have quite a few amendments. :D
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by muzza:
Doesn't the fact that an amendment was needed imply that the founding fathers got it wrong? I'm only a foreigner from farking Australia, but you guys seem to have quite a few amendments. :D
[/QB] The original intent of maximum personal freedom and of limited government was so brilliantly captured in the Constitution and it's amendments. IMNSHO, the Founding Fathers really got it right! They understood human nature very well indeed. Not all the later amendments were improvements, though. There was the 16th Amendment, giving us the income tax, and the 19th (?) which gave us Prohibition (outlawed alcohol). |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
The original Constitution allowed slavery. It was hardly perfect. Washington and Jefferson were rich land and slave owners. They were far from the mythological heroes they are often painted to be... They just didn't wanna pay taxes!
"Taxation without representation.." HA!
The only ones who could vote originally were "Land-owners".
That did not include "Settlers".
The only way you were a "Land-owner" is if your land was given to you by King George, or sold to you by someone who got it from King George.
Most of the real population of the Colonies were "indentured servants"... (Slaves to the Land-owners)
"For the People and by the People" was not actually put to a vote by the general populace.
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by muzza:
Doesn't the fact that an amendment was needed imply that the founding fathers got it wrong? The fact the Constitution is able to be amended tends to imply the opposite. |
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Location: Jet City | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
So, What kind of Guitars did the Founding Fathers play? Why that's an easy one OMA...
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Location: SoCal | As the 1st cousin of Thomas Jefferson (6 generations removed) and related to seven other signers (to include Light Horse Harry Lee and his brother)...my remaining a/e Patriot has a prominent position in my living room...it is just that nice.
Paul B., this is the one that I had you sent direct to the factory...Kim and crew worked miracles to bring her back to life. One of 176 that were a/e.
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Arm everyone.... even children. |
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Location: closely held secret | All my children had arms. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | How many arms? |
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Location: closely held secret | Oh, the usual. Two each. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | My guitar count is just about the same as my firearms if I count the parts I have to build several more AR-15s and FALS.  |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Make Your Vote Count... Use a Bullet! :rolleyes: |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Make Your Vote Count... Use a Bullet! :rolleyes: Nice leap of logic... along with an unwarranted 'stoke of a wide brush'.
Pardon me, but your lack of historical knowledge of our nation's birthing pains and the resultant Preamble, Constitution and the BoR is showing.
May I humbly recommend the reading and study of the Federalist Papers...
Before we get too embroiled, may I say that I accept your right to state your opinions and that we'll not convince the other to change. But I will not stand by and let your statement slide...
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| and with just another week to Independence Day...
doubt this thread's dying anytime soon, but the ice here is getting thin..
re: changing shims while strung, capo at the first, back off all tuners about eight turns or so, and on elite models go in through the access door and push upward on the pickup lead while lifting the strings over the saddle, you should be able to get the edge of the OPP clear to swing sideways and remove the shims.
center hole models are a little tougher, but same technique but I use a small piece of soft thin poly to slide under the OPP or grab the thinline with a set of hemostats. ;)
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | Thanks, Glenn. I've got some shim removal to do this weekend... |
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Location: Las Vegas, NV | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
But if anyone wants to know about eigenvectors I'm your man. Only if you talk about those exciting eigenvalues at the same time! |
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
The original Constitution allowed slavery. It was hardly perfect. True, but the Constitution would not have been ratified by southern states had slavery been outlawed instantly. Instead, there was a sunset clause, or more accurately a defined protected period, beyond which slavery could be outlawed. And it was. Without the ratification of the COTUS, slavery may have existed far longer than it did, and there would have been at least two countries instead of one. It could be argued that the original compromise was the best step forward possible for southern slaves. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | You had to have COITUS ratified? :eek:
Oh, sorry. Wrong glasses. :rolleyes: |
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Hi There! Newbie with a question