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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | I've got a question. Would it be out of line to have a silent auction here on the board? Here's the deal. I HATE Ebay and DO NOT want to list my guitar(s) for sell on it. I would rather sell them to one of the folks on the OFC. I was thinking about setting a minimun bid and have folks send me their bids via email or PM's and after a week or so sell it to the highest bidder. What are your thoughts? |
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Location: NJ | Sounds fair t'me . . . (but not my decision) . . . |
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Location: NJ | auctions run by different rules.
set a price advertise it for sale.
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | If you just characterize it as "Best offer" and set a time limit of a say two weeks with a threat that'll go on ebay if there're no "reasonable" offers, shouldn't be a problem. I've seen it here before. Seemed OK to me. An auction is a different thing. |
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Location: SoCal | I'd say, use the "Buy/Sell" section, post the guitar and a price, and a time frame before it goes on ebay.
I don't want this board to just become a marketplace. |
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | "Auctions run by a different set of rules"? How would it be different then what we do now? I mean:
I have a guitar I would like to sell for a minimum of $XXX dollars. Anyone who would like to consider this guitar please send me a PM or an email with the amount you would be willing to pay for said guitar.
How is this ANY different then what we do day to day? I'm not trying to "make waves" here, just courious. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | My opinion, if you want to auction off your guitar do it on ebay. You'll get far better visibility and probably a higher price.
If on the other hand you want to "keep it in the family" or cut a good deal for your brothers and sisters here on the board, then just list it for sale at a fixed price. You know what you want for it weather selling here or on ebay.
Interestingly, I've listed several guitars for sale here and got no interest from the members, but then I put them on ebay and OFC members bid and in several cases paid MORE than I was originally offering it for here. I don't understand this.
BTW, there is a BEAUTIFUL Bushman Jenny tenor ukulele in the forsale section right now. Don't let the "Fish Dicks" video scare you off.
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Location: Upper Left USA | :rolleyes:
Auction - Ebay
Straight Sale - For Sale |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Why don't you just list it for sale here higher than your "reserve" would be and add "or best offer".
We buy or sell here generally because we know this is a trusted group who love Ovations and take care of them. I think auctions tend to open up issues and potential conflicts, like we see on ebay all the time. We probably don't want a bunch of first time posters showing up just to auction stuff here.
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Designzilla-I hadn't thought of others coming on board just to sell something. That would not be good. In fact that is enough for me not to follow up on this any further. I'll just post it as "For Sale" and see what shakes out. Thanks everyone for your input.
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Location: NJ | Auctions are not a simple buy and sell. They involve numerous parties which can include collusion and other irregularities.
I am not real sure how to go about something like this. I know if I wanted to have an OFC bingo game that would be considered gambling and illegal unless our server was offshore or in a crab boat in the bering.
I am rather sure that with auctions you must insure the person bidding is of age etc and there is no real set up to verify that info.
I understand and respect what you say about e bay, I have a personal love hate relationship with it.
List the item on the sell/trade, ask for offers, take the one you like. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't understand the title of this thread. ARE SILENT AUCTIONS OK?
How can you auction off SILENCE ??? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I've bought people's silence in my Jersey days. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Yeah, They're digging for Jimmy in the wrong place. Dave |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | and should be using a teaspoon... |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Tuppy,
Some guys in dark suits,shades,and badges just left. They wanted to know when you were going to be back from the old country.
I tried stalling them, but they seemed pretty determined!
IXNA ON THE HOFFASA :p |
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Location: NJ | Jimmy's in the concrete foundation of the NorthWest corner of Giants Stadium in the Jersey Meadowlands . . . .
. . . EV'rybody kno's dat!
(HorseFarm . . . . duh!) |
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Location: Toronto | Whaddayamean - just yesterday I saw Jimmy Hoffa at a 7-11 eating a twinky and washing it down with a Big Gulp. |
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Location: closely held secret | You sure it wasn't a Tim Horton's, a doughnut and a latte? |
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Location: Denver Colorado | In keeping with my divine calling here, I thought I'd jump in. :)
As far as verifying everyone being adults, etc - hell... eBay doesn't even make an attempt to do that for buyers.
I tinker a little with balloon twisting, and there is a popular forum for twisters that does run an auction thread from time to time - and sometimes it gets to be a whole lotta fun.
Here's an example of an auction thread done through a forum thread like this (it's worth reading - it gets funny):
http://www.mbd2.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2020&KW=auction
Personally, I think this sort of thing could drive more traffic to this board - and that wouldn't be a bad thing, right? |
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Location: NJ | Sally
if you can research all the legal ramifications and contact an attorney that specializes in internet auctions that can verify that Myself or Miles would not be held liable for any misrepresentations or inproprities (don't think I spelled that right) I would be more than happy to appoint you in charge or developing an on line auction section for our site. In fact, if it works it may generate income for the site.
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Location: Denver Colorado | Hey Al....
Repeat after me:
This is only a venue.
This is only a venue.
:)
As far as you being liable for some kind of misrepresentations, etc... you're already on the hook the same for having a "for sale" section. I don't think the manner in which the final price is determined sways your level of responsibility.
Just add a line to your TOS's that clearly identifies that you're not responsible for the content here.
You're only a venue. :)
I also formerly belonged to a fiberglass travel trailer forum (I owned and sold a really cool 1969 unit)... anyway... I bought the unit from another member there originally and I also used that forum to sell it 2 years later.
That forum was a great place to sell a unit - and it was on an honor system of sorts to send the forum owner $20 after a sale. I know I sent him a check - I was grateful for how fast I sold my trailer.
Don't know why something like that wouldn't work out for you here as well if it's something that you're interested in doing .... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Sally, You've GOT to stop! I can't get this vision out of my head - you sitting there playing your Ovation in a fiberglass travel trailer, surrounded by twisted balloon animals. Oh the pain ...
Personal opinion - auctions on the OFC site will draw many people only interested in unloading a guitar or making a buck. These are not FANS. and FAN is a critical part of our club name.
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Location: Denver Colorado | LOL....
Add the weiner dogs (I own two - but babysat 2 more last weekend - it was a swarm of weenies running around here for 4 days) ... then add knitting, painting, beadwork .... and I bake a mean carmel roll.
Was gonna buy a scooter with a sidecar this summer - thought the grandbaby would love it - but it's looking like it's getting bumped back a year to make room in the budget for a 47RI.
Life is never dull....
You're really gonna go nuts when you eventually find out what I do for work.
It's hard being the funnest grandma on the planet.
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Pot_Stirrer:
Hey Al....
Repeat after me:
This is only a venue.
This is only a venue.
:)
As far as you being liable for some kind of misrepresentations, etc... you're already on the hook the same for having a "for sale" section. I don't think the manner in which the final price is determined sways your level of responsibility.
Just add a line to your TOS's that clearly identifies that you're not responsible for the content here.
You're only a venue. :)
I also formerly belonged to a fiberglass travel trailer forum (I owned and sold a really cool 1969 unit)... anyway... I bought the unit from another member there originally and I also used that forum to sell it 2 years later.
That forum was a great place to sell a unit - and it was on an honor system of sorts to send the forum owner $20 after a sale. I know I sent him a check - I was grateful for how fast I sold my trailer.
Don't know why something like that wouldn't work out for you here as well if it's something that you're interested in doing .... yes we are a venue that uses a trade name and trademark with permission.
when you get all the information to me I can review it and then see if it is something we can add |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Silence is golden, Paypal preferred! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Pot_Stirrer:
Life is never dull....
You're really gonna go nuts when you eventually find out what I do for work.
LOL Heh heh heh heh ;) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by alpep:
Sally
if you can research all the legal ramifications and contact an attorney that specializes in internet auctions that can verify that Myself or Miles would not be held liable for any misrepresentations or inproprities (don't think I spelled that right) I would be more than happy to appoint you in charge or developing an on line auction section for our site. In fact, if it works it may generate income for the site.
thanks Don't ask me, but if you get sued in Idaho, I'd be happy to defend you. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by cliff:
Jimmy's in the concrete foundation of the NorthWest corner of Giants Stadium in the Jersey Meadowlands . . . .
. . . EV'rybody kno's dat! I always thought he was in the End Zone. That's why the Giants never scored much. didn't want to step on his grave I guess.
My personal opinion. No Auctions.
Go to the sell/Trade section
Price it.
Post it.
Sell it.
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Location: SoCal | Sally, imagine the vision Dave would have if he saw you in your trailer now playing an Ovation? |
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Location: NJ | It IS in the EndZone.
The foundation under the Northwest corner EndZone . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Pot_Stirrer:
LOL....
You're really gonna go nuts when you eventually find out what I do for work.
I haven't been that active lately and it would take an evening to read all the threads I've missed...
I just assumed that your business was common knowledge and the guys were minding themselves and their manners. |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by cliff:
It IS in the EndZone.
The foundation under the Northwest corner EndZone . . . Cool. :cool: It still was a part of the field the Giants never used much. :D
I'm originally from upstate New York. I always cheered the New York Team'(s) on
The Bills !!! ;) |
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Location: Eugene, Oregon | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I'd say, use the "Buy/Sell" section, post the guitar and a price, and a time frame before it goes on ebay.
I don't want this board to just become a marketplace. I agree. :) If someone really wants the item, it will sell for a fair price here. If there is no demand, throw it to the dawgs. :D
I am working on purchase number 2 from an OFC member. I know I may be tipping the mushy-XX factor, but I really appreciate knowing that a guitar purchased here, arrives with some Love.
Now as far as the GAS problem here.... :rolleyes: I have become very needy and sneaky since joining. I am blaming that, ALL on the XY influence. ;) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Noah,
No her profession has not been openly discussed. I will assume that all who attended the Denver jam listened when she mentioned her line of work.....Tony might know from conversations the two have shared.....but probably no one else. |
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Location: SoCal | Heck, Dave could be one of her best clients... |
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Location: Orange County, California | I'm pretty sure Dave is afraid of "her type"... :D |
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Location: Orlando, FL | OK Sally, since no one has asked directly. What do you do for a living?? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Heck, Dave could be one of her best clients... Heh heh heh :D
There is so much truth to that statement ;) |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hey D'z......that's kinda rude!
Like askin a lady her age :eek: |
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Location: NJ | Did a little investigative work of my own some time ago & figured it out . . .
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I'm still waiting for an invitation into the trailer ;) |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Oh OK. Did the reseach. Cool!
How does the Balloon twisting fit in?? |
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Location: SoCal | Sally, the thought of you sitting in your trailer, playing your Ovations and selling your wares is almost too much.... |
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Location: Tampa, FL | According to what I've been able to root out, you are one of: a CFO for the USDA in Spokane, WA; a Lasik surgeon in Salt Lake City, an anthropologist in CO; or possibly something entirely different.
Perhaps you are all of these. Kind of a feminist Frank W. Abagnale.
I think you're also likely to be an Ovation enthusiast. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | Just a brief injection on the original topic...I think there are probably a bunch of people who have become "members" of the OFC just to try to sell a guitar. When they're done they go away. I don't like that.
Now back to our conversation. John <>{ |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Were I to make a serious attempt, I would rule out all of those. Except "possibly something entirely different" and "Ovation enthusiast".
I'll go back and be quiet again... |
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Location: Denver Colorado | For all the curiousity seekers, I would have posted a link to my website... but the sucker is down right now. I was moving the domain to a new server this week, and obviously something has gone wrong.
Stay tuned....
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Interesting week. Miles gets the Photo Gallery back up (THANKS!) and all of our personal sites go down. Coincidence ???
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by dvd:
uhh, I don't think you register serial numbers on Sally's site, Dave! heh, I could be wrong. :) google cache to the rescue. I have no clue what you are talking about. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | sorry, you were noting how yours and her site were similar in that they both are down at the moment. I was noting how they're different. ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I have not seen Sally's site but hopefully it has step by step instructions how to make that balloon poodle I've been craving ...
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Originally posted by bauerhillboy:
Just a brief injection on the original topic...I think there are probably a bunch of people who have become "members" of the OFC just to try to sell a guitar. When they're done they go away. I don't like that.
Now back to our conversation. John <>{ I have seen some boards make people wait a certain time limit, 30 to 60 days, after registering before they're allowed to post for sale ads. Sometimes, they also include participation minimums, like posting in five threads during this time limit, before posting for sale ads. This substantially reduces the "I registered just so I can sell" participants.
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Location: SoCal | If I decide to put a couple of my guitars up for sale this year (emphasis on if), I will give OFC'ers the first chance.
I will put out my minimum price, a short time frame for offers (? 48hrs), then accept the highest offer over my minimum. If requested, I will publish the last offer that I received so that someone can up his or her offer if desired. Then, if not sold, either sell locally or eBay.
I remember several guitars (to include a long neck Adamas)that the "seller said make me an offer". For the Adamas, I think I offered $1,650. Seller acted as if I insulted him. Believe it sold for about $1,900.
Couple of guitars, the seller listed his price...as I was the first to meet his price (within 15 minutes of his listing) - sold. Yet, some of us can remember one sale where another OFC'er would have paid higher than my offer. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
I will put out my minimum price, a short time frame for offers (? 48hrs), then accept the highest offer over my minimum. Tony, Starting (minimum) price, highest offer. Isn't that an auction? |
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Location: SoCal | Bruce...kinda, that's my point.
Especially since I've never been "silent" |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | But if you sell them use the proceeds to buy something nicer, it really helps you quickly forget about the loss.
Recent activities:
Sold 05 Collector, bought CLCB
Sold CLCB, bought CLCB slothead
Sold 1681, bought U681
Sold D18VS, bought HD28VS
Sold Artist 1121, bought John Lennon Legend
None of these upgrades were bank breakers and I don't really miss the ones I sold because the ones I replaced them with are so nice to have.
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Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Tony - That is exactly what I was talking about doing when I started this thread. It sounds like the majority is against it but I still don't see the problem or the difference from what has been done in the past with no complaints. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Dave, that was a nice set of upgrades. I said the same thing to my waitress at dinner last night ... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | I've read about them and thought it was pretty funny but my question here is why were you interested in samples, Dave? You know you can hold your head high here despite, well, you know... |
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Location: SoCal | Dave posted I have not seen Sally's site but hopefully it has step by step instructions how to make that balloon poodle I've been craving ...
Don't think so but based on past posts, might be something else you've been craving. :p |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I didn't know we were supposed to sell guitars. My wife won't read this board. She thinks it just promotes buying Ovations, not selling them. Telling her that you have a guitar for me to buy hasn't had any effect in the past. |
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Location: Eugene, Oregon | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
also solves the WhaddayaLickAllDay problem.....
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Question: Are silent auctions OK?