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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | This ad is on ebay 2080
But for some reason it makes my teeth itch. Would a reasonable person put it out there without a reserve, or do they use the "right to cancel at any time" to keep themselves safe.
This could be a real bargain for someone. |
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Location: NJ | the canceling the auction is a ploy to not pay e bay fees |
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Location: boulder | this seller has sold a few nice "new" ovations. No warranty I think. I am not sure how they get them for so low a price. I bought something from them a while ago and had no problems. Fwiw. peace |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Could be a great deal then....cool. |
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| ..I'm curious where an ebay 'power seller' gets a new O'? Is it really new, are they a dealer, is is a refurb? If they would provide the serial# we could ask the mothership, I guess.. |
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Location: NJ | well if it is new they are hiding from "map" pricing by not advertising the business. |
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| This is just strange that the other items at their ebay store are stamps, collectibles, and energizer batteries for cameras?...(as well as new Ovation tuners)...so perhaps they have some kind of 'arrangment' with an authorized dealer. Anyway, I would consider it a risk to purchase a new model USA Ovation from them. They may not offer the factory warranty... |
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Location: NJ | warranty is only valid when sold via an authorized dealer. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | If it sells for $1000 or less...who cares. There is not much that the savings of $700 or more (depending on the dealer) would not fix at the factory.
That is always the risk to buying anything used and that is the way you would treat this. |
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Location: NJ | agreed |
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| Jeees, I guess there must be something wrong with me (other than the standard list) because I like the woven gun metal look of the top but that's it. I think the 12th fret inlay looks like the "Nike" Sneaker symbol and I just can't get into the tear drop sound hole thing. I guess there is only so much you can do a sound hole shape no matter how many you can fit in.
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | It grows on you (after you own one). I don't care for the Nike Swoosh either, but live it is quite understated, so I decided not to go after it with a sharpie. As for the "cats-eye", I might have liked it better without the eyebrow, but .....overall it is a guitar you grow to like over time I am finding. I do believe it will serve the purpose as the "one" guitar I use for about everything from now on. But it took me a while to get there.
Live the entire effect is very understated (or so others have commented). Quite the opposite of most Ovations and Adamii with the epulets that look very showy. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I get such a kick out of the "Nike Swoosh"... I guess I was one of the few that got the fact that it matches the contour bowl and the sound hole, kinda brings the whole thing together. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I bid on that! Not much, but I bid. |
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| I think a nice inlay artists rendition of the flower or plant bloom they carve on the Adamas headstocks might be a nice tie in from the old to the new.
Sorry Miles even with your explanation I still don't get the use of something that looks so close to a famous athletic shoe symbol on a musical instrument.
I'll bet this guitar is a canon though. It's just the styling I can't accept. But hey who cares right... To each his own.
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Location: boulder | two things..
The lady who designed the logo for Nike lived here in colorado a while ago. there was a short article in the paper about sports as a business that included her story of designing the logo. She said basically she just did it and submitted it. She was paid a $50 flat fee. the rest is history yes?
The 2080 adamas is the one acoustic electric I would pick, if I could only keep one. flat out. with the VIP even, which I like btw (even if I whine about it). The 1187-247 (47RI)has a better voice, but the 2080 is a road worthy instrument that you wouldn't mind taking out of your house. And really, as much as I stare at my guitars, and think about my guitars, it's the tone and music that matters to me. "if it ain't got that swing, it don't mean a thing"
I would still buy a 2080 through your favorite trusted seller who is an authorized kaman dealer!! if yo are not going through a trusted kaman authorized dealer and say your electronics fail. it is your responsibility. Your trusted dealer will help you if any problems actually do arise. I am not so sure that can be said for every seller on ebay. (you's pay your money-you's take your chances). but the 2080 is a greaT GUITAR.
ok that was more then two things. peace mike |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | Mike,
If a person is value shopping (i.e. wants to spend money on more than just a guitar), then nothing wrong with buying used and taking your chances.
I have bought a couple of new instruments, and many used in the last few years and had just as much headache with the new (by the time you pay all the shipping to send it in for warranty work, plus being without in the interim) as I have used.
Further, when it comes to Ovation and Adamas, the factory customer service is spectacular, allowing me to replace my electronics at home...thus not losing the use of my guitar. Really, to me the risk of used is if something happens during shipping as happened on my 597. USPS trashed it. Despite insurance, the seller has to cooperate (which a seller didn't do on a used electric I bought that had some damage). In my case, I assisted the buyer in filing the claim, and once I got to know the buyer a bit, I even sent him his money back while waiting for the claim to process. Not typical....granted...but it felt like the thing to do.
So far, I have not been seriously burned by any new or used purchase I have made, and that is about 6 guitars in the last two years, of both varieties.
As for the 2080, however, I agree. My pretty guitar is the 1537, but it stays protected in it's case now...no more camping trips. My 2080 goes with me everywhere I play now, and it is stout enough to use as a door stop while loading equipment if need be (although I treat it with great respect...still a fine instrument) and the thing just does NOT go out of tune. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think buying new vs. used is a balancing act of several factors, including obviously price, warranty, condition, etc. Included in the equation is vanity. Often if economics allow it, there is somethng special about buying a NEW guitar vs. ANOTHER guitar.
A more important factor to me is where or who you buy it from. The seller needs to be someone of integrity and trust. Weather it's a used guitar on ebay, an online dealer, a vintage dealer, ma & pa shop, big box store, etc. To me the comfort in knowing who am dealing with is at least equal to the value of a warranty.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I don't like the Nike swoosh either and don't want to be associated with it. This really isn't like it but it sure brings the Nike Logo to mind. After playing the guitar for a while I got over all that. I love the cat's eye and the ebony overlay, very elegant. The guitar really makes a strong statement. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | Cancelling a no reserve auction is a tactic going back to the earliest days of ebay, used by sellers who were not content with the level of the bidding as the auction draws to a close. It can be an unstated reserve, viz., if I want a thousand and the high bid is $900 with a few minutes left to go, I cancel the bids and end the auction.
It's not a good practice, because of bidders who love that feeling of a last second winning shot, so they can kill it and drag it home. I also find it to be disingenuous, because the seller who will cancel an auction due to unsatisfactory bidding isn't really selling to the highest bidder.
I don't know if that is the case with this seller, so just add my comments as a long-time eBay watcher. |
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| 'Disingenuous' is an excellent description. And ebay let's 'em do it...it happened to me, 2 bids were cancelled by the same seller..some of us may remember the individual who came on the board and ranted about his actions being exposed to thousands of ofc members...(he'll never do THAT again :) ) |
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| Perhaps it's a legit auction. Nine pages of satisfied buyers, and a 100% rating. Just a bit curious that the sellers 'other items' mentioned before are now removed from their ebay store...go figure.. |
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Location: boulder | I think this is a legit aucton, although i can only say I bought a 2005 collectors from them and it was in perfect shape. serial number 011. No warranty cards as I recall, but hey the price was right.
I agree with having a trustworthy seller is far more important then new or used, warranty or not.
I still would like to know where this seller gets there Ovations and how they can sell them so cheap. when you see a turtle atop a fence post...you know it had some help.. |
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Location: Minden, Nebraska | There are people with connections to Kaman who get deals. In spite of what I have understood to be standing dealer agreements, there have been a couple of places on eBay who have routinely sold new Ovations for below wholesale on eBay for years. |
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| Maybe that's the agreement they have to make with Ovation, 'no warranty', and on a very limited basis. And if they do that, they likely do it with all the instruments they sell. |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | It's not an FRG is it? That would explain a lot, although don't FRG's have a 5-year warranty anyway? |
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Location: SoCal | It could be a "demo" with no warranty. Then again, how did they get a demo except from the Rep...hmmm?? |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | How convenient, don't you think.
"The seller ended this listing early because of an error in the listing."
Hope it is a legit error and just not cold feet over the low price. Quite frankly, I am not sure the world is ready for the 2080 yet, and I would bet they will command low prices until they get a reputation (or maybe stay low).
On the selfish side, it makes me feel better that it didn't sell for way less than I paid for mine. Whew!!!! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Usually that is the reason given when they cut a side deal with someone. My guess is that they were offered offline an amount they were happy with and ran with it. |
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Location: SoCal | Stephen, How much did you offer them :D |
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Location: Keller, TX | Few comments:
I didn't like the Cat's eye or the Nike swoosh either. But it DOES grow on you.
The sound is great! You should hear it on a 12-fret! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Noah....I threw a bid out for fun but as you know, I have the matching custom 2080D's on order so don't really need a third. |
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Location: East Wenatchee, WA | BMF,
I would love to hear it on a 12-fret. Why don't you ship it on up for me to listen too for a couple of months.
I even toyed with the idea of ordering one in a 12 string, but then I came to my senses and realized the reason I bought it in the first place was to have a one guitar arsenal (which means I might have to sell my 1537 to stay sincere). |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by JeffreyD:
I came to my senses and realized the reason I bought it in the first place was to have a one guitar arsenal (which means I might have to sell my 1537 to stay sincere). :mad: :eek: Blasphemer!! :eek: :mad: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Sincerity is overrated. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | And he really, really means that! |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | Jeff, Save yourself hours of counseling, you never recover from getting rid of a great guitar.
And OH YEAH! What Fred said! :mad: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | And as far as being true to yourself--who cares? |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | when you start getting these feelings of weakness, you need to call your buddy! We're just trying to help you get through this!
And OH YEAH! What Mark said! :rolleyes: |
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