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Location: closely held secret | Jerome, go for it!!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | This was on ebay about a month ago. I think it didn't hit reserve. Dave |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | quote from the auction; "I reserve the right to end this auction at any time if the right bid comes along. I also reserve the right to end the auction if the bids are not high enough"
This is another auction where the seller doesn't use a reserve but states that he'll end the auction if he doesn't get what he wants for the item.
I didn't think you were allowed to do that?.....
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Seller can end the auction at any time he wants to. I've done it myself. Nobody can force you to sell something against your will. Sure if you are interested in something and it disappears you're going to be disappointed, but that's life. If you wanted it bad enough you would have made the guy a sweet offer already. It's no different than putting your car out in front of your house with a "for sale" sign on it, somebody looks at it and is kind of interested but when they show up the next day to check it out again you tell them you changed your mind and it's off the block. Dave |
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Location: Tennessee | I bid on this when it was on eBay a couple of months back. I believe it went for over $2K. This seller in France is not the seller from before, so either it's a quick flip or it's a scam. |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | I thought that if you put an item on ebay (or any auction) with no reserve that you "agreeing" to sell it to the highest bidder no matter what the item brings.
If a bidder wins an auction,he's "legally bound" to uphold his end of the contract and pay for the item......Isn't the seller also "legally bound" to sell the item he put up for sell to the winning bidder?
I don't beleive it's right to bid on an "no reserve" auction and win (after 6+ days) just so the seller can say...."Oh! I'm sorry,I want MORE for my item that what you bid so I'm pulling it"
The guy selling his car in front of his house is selling for a set price (reserve?) He states what he'll take and either you want it or not, unless he has a sign in the window saying "For Bids".... |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Trboy:
The guy selling his car in front of his house is selling for a set price (reserve?) He states what he'll take and either you want it or not, unless he has a sign in the window saying "For Bids".... The feeBay analog to that scenario would be the 'Buy It Now' listing with the 'Make An Offer' option. I've thought about running one that way, but whenever I've listed anything, I never seem to remember that it's available. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Trboy:
I thought that if you put an item on ebay (or any auction) with no reserve that you "agreeing" to sell it to the highest bidder no matter what the item brings. That's only after the auction comes to completion. Prior to completion there is no agreement. I think ebay stipulates that you can't pull the auction within the last 24 hours, but up until that time the seller is free to pull it for any or no reason.
The car analogy is that I've got a car sitting in front of my house with "For Sale $5000." on it. A guy comes to the door with 5k in his hand. "I don't want to sell it". "But you have to, it says For Sale on it". "No I don't". "Why not". "Because I want $7000 for it". "But it says $5000." "So what" ...
Maybe I'm the odd duck here, but I see no problem with cancelling auctions early if that's what the seller wants to do. It's HIS guitar, and we have NO rights to it UNTIL we win the auction. Now, to have someone WIN an auction and then refuse to sell it to them like asswipe hector did, THAT is against ebay rules and against any common decency. At least I hold myself to a higher standard.
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | historically, sellers are protected more than buyers, even in legally binding contracts, even when they refuse to sell. That's just the way it is. |
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Location: Paris/France | This guitar will be too expensive for my budget...
The seller bought it 01-OCTOBER FOR 1999$!
It's a very interesting guitar for its beauty and its history.
J :) |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Originally posted by Tupperware:
....Maybe I'm the odd duck here, but I see no problem with cancelling auctions early if that's what the seller wants to do. It's HIS guitar, and we have NO rights to it UNTIL we win the auction. Now, to have someone WIN an auction and then refuse to sell it to them like asswipe hector did, THAT is against ebay rules and against any common decency. At least I hold myself to a higher standard.
Dave Dave,I agree with you :cool: that the seller can end his auction early if he wants to. My comments were prematurely aimed at the seller. (auction is still open)
I jumped the gun in assuming that the seller is planning to "pull a Hector" at the close of the auction by thinking his disclaimer statement gives him the "right" to refuse to sell to the winning bidder 'cause he didn't get what he wanted for the guitar or he had a better offer.......We'll find out in roughly 6 days!
It is a beautiful guitar and I hope that Jerome wins it! :D |
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Location: ms | Who is Jol Dantzig ? |
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Location: SoCal | Some guy over at Hamer..... |
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Location: closely held secret | :D |
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Location: SoCal | John, hush... |
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Location: closely held secret | Jol is... oh, gosh, would you look at that. Lunchtime. |
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Location: ms | wabbit, it would do you good to skip lunch :D |
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Location: closely held secret | It would do me better not to get squashed by a certain PI. |
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Location: Tennessee | Originally posted by paulmac:
This guitar will be too expensive for my budget...
The seller bought it 01-OCTOBER FOR 1999$!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | That lable looks fishy to me, the signature, well, I just wouldn't want anything to do with that. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by gulfcoast:
Who is Jol Dantzig ? Just some dude :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jol_Dantzig |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Bill, I still can't figure out how you got your hand through that hole to write on that label.
Dantzig must be an OK guy if he races vintage Porsches. His racing website doesn't look too active lately, though. |
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Location: SoCal | I wonder if the 2.5 liter engine is a 4 or 6? |
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Location: closely held secret | What's that name? Looks like "Cukaman". How appropriate. |
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Location: ms | Thanks Mr Ovation, I guess you can tell i know little about electric guitars. |
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Location: Hagaman, NY | Kind of cool to see that Adamas/Ovation built a guitar for Jol right around the time Kaman Corp. acquired Hamer guitars (1988). I guess Jol returned the favor later on when he suposedly (according to the Hamer serial number database) had a custom green Hamer Duotone built for Bill Kaman back in the mid-90's. That is one sharp looking Adamas for sure! |
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Location: closely held secret | I suppose we could ask Bill Kaman if it's true.
Naw. He'd never stoop to talk to the likes of us. He's like, a god, or a super-hero, or something. I doubt he ever comes around here. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | He probably doesn't remember anything about this guitar. Must be getting old, suffering from demensions. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by cwk2:
He probably doesn't remember anything about this guitar. Must be getting old, suffering from demensions. I know that feeling. Lately I've been suffering from increasing dimensions in the X and Y axes, but not so much in the Z axis. :( |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | "Z Axis Blues" |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Well it's back again.....
New BLUE BOY Auction
RELISTED DUE TO NON-PAYMENT BAD BIDDER
Bad bidder is/was "printman29" from the Old BLUE BOY Auction
If you look in "printman29" and "guitarmanvintage"
(seller's) feedback (around Oct'05) you'll see they have done "business" a few times in the past (both live in France also) and no negative/nonpayment feedback left for printman29.....
....Hmmmmm,I wonder if printman29 is bidding in the new auction!! :rolleyes: Since ebay now hides the bidders names you'll never know! (unless he "wins" again :D ) |
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Location: Colorado | I actually posted the "Adamas I C/A on eBay" topic yesterday about this very guitar. I must have missed the first couple of auctions on this thing.
Here's my last post in that topic:
I noticed a 24 fret neck. I also noticed that the holes in the epaulets on the cutaway side are closer to cutaway edge of the bowl than the ones on my Adamas are. The cutaway epaulet also looks to be cut off at the top, once again compared to mine.
It's too bad that this thing appears to be a suspect-at-best auction, but it also sounds like this person wants $5K+. |
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Location: Colorado | It also looks like the new auction is the original Hotelito auction page with additional text in it. |
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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Nobody can force you to sell something against your will. Actually, I know a few guys who can. |
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Location: NJ | ". . Nobody can force you to sell something against your will . ."
I'm sure there are several generations of NativeAmericans (and a few inhabitants of Briney Breezes, FL) who'll argue that point . . . |
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