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Location: SoCal | This one looks good....
http://cgi.ebay.com/OVATION-ELITE-MOD-1537-Highly-Collectable-Vinta... |
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Location: Tennessee | I think this is bvince's. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I was thinking the same thing. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | It is. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | You're Right :) I thought as long as there are so many up on this board, I might as well put it up on the Ebay Selling Block. I didn't have the nads to put a $2000 buy it now on it though. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | I'm really curious because I have an '83 1537 that is virtually flawless and unplayed but has paint chipping off the bowl.
The factory couldn't repaint it, they had to replace the bowl? |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | If they replace the bowl, they replace the top. I don't think you'd wind up with the same thing. John <>{ |
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| There's got ot be a simple way to repair the bowl paint isn't there?.. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | I bet a quality can of dark brown/matching enamel spray paint would do it. Question is, who would be brave enough to try it first?! |
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Location: Tennessee | There are some areas on my bowl where the paint has been rubbed through ... I prefer to think of it as "patina". I would never, ever, give up the top on my 1537 ... |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Originally posted by Joyful Noise:
The factory couldn't repaint it, they had to replace the bowl? Why can't they repaint the bowl? They just did my Adamas, and it is as new now. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I don't get it. In production, they spray the bowls AFTER the tops are attached. So how is this different than getting your bowl repainted on a finished guitar (they remove the neck).
Are you sure it's not the other way around? If you need a new TOP, you automatically get a new bowl?
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Location: Houston, Texas | Originally posted by jpcannon:
Why can't they repaint the bowl? They just did my Adamas, and it is as new now. I posted my question because Bvince stated in the auction:
It has wood inlays in the fret board, multiple exotic wood epaulets on the top, Gold Plated precision tuners, wood control knobs, brand new electronics replaced last year by the factory with original equipment, a new deep bowl that was also installed by the factory because the paint had chipped on the old one. I suppose this might be a misstatement or misunderstanding, since I can see no reason why it couldn't be repainted, except that I suppose getting all of the old paint off might be a problem.
One thing that is obvious from the chipping paint on mine is that the paint is very brittle with little flexibility. In addition, the paint is a textured type paint, and the bowl also has a texture to it. The texture of the bowl has a much different appearance than the texture of the paint. So in order to make it look acceptable I would think the whole bowl would have to be stripped. Doing touchups with spray paint wouldn't look too good in my opinion.
But I wouldn't think you would have to replace the whole bowl. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | I think it works like this...if you pay to get a new bowl cause the paint is chipped..then you need to have your "top"[head]examined!
My 1537 needs a new top and bowl...I could replace both and call it a fifteen thirty-nothing I guess.
...Rick, my expert opinion would be that you send me your paint chipped mess of a 1537 and find a better one! Hey, I have one we could swap...I'll custom paint it any color you wish (as long as crayon is O.K. with you).
Norse(Just kiding...I know you would really like to restore your 1537...I don't blame you, sounds like you have a great guitar there bro!)man |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | "My 1537 needs a new top and bowl...I could replace both and call it a fifteen thirty-nothing I guess."
Call me crazy but, while I recognize the benefits of an already opened 25 year old top, I don't think a new one makes it that much less than some of the other ones I've heard. My newly topped one is still, by far, the best guitar I've ever owned and much better than a lot of guitars I've had the pleasure of playing, including O's. And it's only going to get better with time. I think to write it off completely might be a tad shortsighted.
Just one opinion though... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Pictures Weaster??? |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | I know, I know - with some travel and this snow, I'm seriously behind in my brotherhood duties. They'll be coming shortly ('course I can pretty much guarantee they won't be getting done tonight either). Soon though... |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Hey Wease, did they put a whole new top on that 1537? If they did, I would be really interested in knowing if and how it differs from the original 1537s, for example bracing pattern, cross-section of the braces, and especially if it has the upper third of the top laminated. If you could get some pictures of the bottom of the top through the access hatch, that would be great!
Norse, I still feel bad about snatching this 1537 away from you but I don't think I would be willing to trade, even for a purple crayon colored one. I've probably put no more than about 6 or 7 hours playing time on it, but the more I played it, some minor string/fret buzzing has become apparent. I adjusted the truss rod to cure this, but I think that I actually need to shim the saddle a bit and readjust the truss rod to get it right. The paint chipping is really a shame, because otherwise it's practically mint.
I think I'll hang on to it, it's just such a fine sounding instrument and fantastic for recording. I probably won't do anything about the paint, at least for a while, but I am curious about my options where that's concerned. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Good question. I'll see what I can do for you on the pics, Rick. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | ...you didn't steal anything from anyone Rick...I certainly don't feel that way. I was outbid, and by from what I can tell, a great guy. I am MORE than blessed with the guitars I have. A few years ago, I came to this site looking for advice on a 1117 Legend I saw in a pawnshop. I never owned an Ovation before this time (although I've tinkered around with playing guitar since I was a teen). My only experience with an Ovation, was strumming my friends CC11(?) cheap little celebrity model over 20 years ago, and judged the whole lot by that one encounter.
Look at me now! As I state in the last line of my sig. "God is Good!" and so are the people on the OFC.
Don't you ever feel bad for me...I am very happy for you!
Norse(besides...that ugly thing has chipped paint on the back! :eek: )man1 |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | "If they replace the bowl, they replace the top. I don't think you'd wind up with the same thing. John" ...
OK, here is how it went, and what was done ... I sent the guitar to the factory to replace the electronics with the same (new)equipment. I HAD installed a battery compartment in the side of the bowl myself (worked fine). I also mentioned that the bowl paint had chipped and I wanted that repaired, along with a fret job and setup. As I recall, I invested over $450. When it came back it had a NEW bowl and the SAME TOP.(that is unless they also replaced the two existing finish cracks with identical ones) I know it was a new bowl because my self-installed battery compartment was not there. Everything now looks and sounds great. So as far as the discussion on replacing tops and bowls goes ... They apparently CAN do it. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Thanks Vince, that answers my question. So yours has the new re-issue electronics, a new bowl and the original top. Should sound sweet. I hope you get what you need for it. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | I know it was a new bowl because my self-installed battery compartment was not there. Everything now looks and sounds great. So as far as the discussion on replacing tops and bowls goes ... They apparently CAN do it. The factory could have easily filled in the hole from your self-installed compartment and then replaced it with a new one. Once the bowl is repainted it will look new, but it's still the old bowl. It's a whole lot easier for the factory to repair a bowl and repaint it than to replace the bowl. I'd bet that it's the old bowl just made to look new. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | Hmm, maybe new looking from the outside, but I don't think they would be able to hide the repair on the inside of the bowl, although it may be hidden somewhat by the new battery box. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | If you like it, and the sound; its moot. To wit (not "twit"!), my Ol' Faithful 1111 (no -# extension for finish)will never be leaving. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Originally posted by Joyful Noise:
Hey Wease, did they put a whole new top on that 1537? If they did, I would be really interested in knowing if and how it differs from the original 1537s, for example bracing pattern, cross-section of the braces, and especially if it has the upper third of the top laminated. If you could get some pictures of the bottom of the top through the access hatch, that would be great! Rick - the response from John Budney is "The entire top and bowl was replaced, it has the same bracing as the old one, quintad, but does not have the 1/3 laminate on the upper bout inside."
Pics to come. |
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | Hey, I'll take a closer look inside when I get home. If they DID repair the old bowl, that would solve any mysteries. |
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1537 on the 'bay