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| OK all you dogs who flamed me when I had a 12 string Ovation to sell and asked for advice can now be nice to me .......lol
I am lookng for a good beginner guitar (Ovation) for myself to learn how to play. I want a 6 string ACOUSTIC ELECTRIC GUITAR.
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | How many beans you got, bro'?
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| Well lets just say I want the best for the least, If there is a $200 guitar that will be a good starter why pay more? |
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Location: ranson,wva | find a used celb or applesauce. if you came along a few months earlier i had a 1971 ballladeer that i let go for $200.00. just keep ur eyes open on ebay. ive bought quite a few US ovations in the past few months in the $200-$300 range.......jason |
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| wow... sorry man just missed one from me... just sold a very nice old '71 Balladeer for 350, and a nice green celebrity cc057 w/op24+ for 100,
keep trollin' the bay, you can get a made in USA O, for low money.. but you have to beat most of us to them...
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | I have a very nice 1621-4, with OHSC, near your price range. I also have a rather interesting Matrix refurbishment that will probably be available. It needs to be played. A lot (new top). I can send pictures of both, if interested. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | A little note to keep in mind . . . the better the quality of the guitar, the easier it will be to play, particularly for a beginner. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by e_a_g_l_e_p_i:
Well lets just say I want the best for the least, If there is a $200 guitar that will be a good starter why pay more? My factory-reject "used" GC057 was about that much. Ain't a USO, but it ain't bad for what it is.
They have Deep Bowl Applesuace, everyday, all day on Ebay for $199. Or you can be patient, and wait for the Lucky USO.
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Location: ranson,wva | if i was you i would take up the man from the lower baliwick up on his 1621......jason |
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| Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
A little note to keep in mind . . . the better the quality of the guitar, the easier it will be to play, particularly for a beginner. would a 1621-4 fall into that catagory ? |
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| I'm very interested in the 1641-4 and waiting for pictures, can someone tell me about the 1621-4
also I found this one on Ebay would someone take a look and tell me what they think?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ovation-Applause-AE28-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'd go for the 1621. I picked one up in Arizona last year that a friend bought off ebay. It was right around $200. It's not a great guitar, but for that money, it was one of the best things out there. |
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| I will most likely go with the 1621-4 if it's in good condition but I see I can get a Applause AE28 new for under $200 free shipping.
can someone give me the pros and cons on each ??
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| a new applause is a new applause, a low end starter guitar, plywood top, nato neck, poorer quality hardware, generally mediocre tone.. and almost always need a major set-up to not be a finger shredder... but if is what you can afford is better than a lot of it's competition in the same price range..
the 1621 is a much nicer instrument, used, even if it costs a little more than the applause. solid spruce top, mahogany neck(5 piece), better tuners and better all-around build quality and components. plugged in they sound great, and the solid top will definitely(almost) always sound better than a ply top... there are duds and jewels out there on both sides.
as long as it's in fair to good condition go with a usa model anytime over the offshores..
jmo tho
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Location: South of most, North of few | Sooner have an old USA model than a new overseas anyday. Even if it has that "typical Ovation" crack (whatever that is). If you're patient, you can find a very nice older model reasonable. Just remember, you don't want to have to buy it twice cause you saved a little the first time. BTW, welcome back e_a_g_l_e! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Careful, Gentlemen. The vicissitudes of "supply & demand" may affect the market on my oferrings.
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| Originally posted by seesquare:
Careful, Gentlemen. The vicissitudes of "supply & demand" may affect the market on my oferrings.
My humanitarian leanings are limited by my avarice. is your 1621-4 electic also? |
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Location: Up North | I just missed out on this 1976 Glen Campbell.
76 Glen Campbell
I had PM'd EaglePI, but it didn't have electronics. It would have been a great grab. A better sniper than I snagged it. Anyone here? |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Absitively, and they work, too! Volume-only-type, active preamp, with piezoelectric pickup. |
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| can you send me pictures and price I am about to buy a Applause so hurry with the pictures so I am not sorry |
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Location: closely held secret | If you buy the Applesauce you likely will be. |
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Location: ranson,wva | the 16 series were acoustic electric, 11 series acoustic only....they are players. i like the volume only preamps too...jason |
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| Jason,
I trust your opinion I am almost begging him to send me pictures.........lol of the 1621-4 I understand he may have to take them so I don't blame him for the time it's taking. I guess I want to know if it comes with a case also.
Hopefully he will email me soon...
Thanks for looking out for me !! |
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Location: ranson,wva | he said it comes with ohsc. i might have some pics of it in my e file but my main pc is down right now.
chris is probly at work right now so you will have to wait till he gets home this evening. but it it worth the price....jason |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Not all of us spend all day on this board. Seesquare is a good guy. You can get the Applause for that price with free shipping any day and there are thousands available. I'd wait for Seesquare's pics. As Glenn said, the 1621 is a better guitar. The Applause is definitely a starter guitar, but the 1621 is more likely to be a keeper, where the Applause, at best, might be something that would be traded up at a huge discount. At worst, it will sit in the closet or sold in a garage sale because no one was inspired to play it. |
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Location: CT | Just got a mid-70s A/E Custom Balladeer (1612-1) for 250 on the bay. A couple of dings, no cracks and plays (and sounds) better than any Celebrity I ever played. Monday I'll post some pics. Hold out a little longer for the bargain basement USA model. You might wind up regretting the Applause down the line, then would just need to sell and look again. |
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| I realize he might be at work and I want to wait for his photos but he has replied and didn't say anything about not being able to send pic's until later so I assume he would be able to send pic's. I'm not a mind reader and I didn't say anything negative about him I even said I didn't blame him for the time it's taking.. Also I don't spend all day on the boards either just today because I am off.
So take it easy on me ok... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | For Beginners that first player is all about ease of playing. If it doesn't hurt, they play more often.
At the office, in the cubicle jungle, I have two classical entry-level specials that a handful of us can play at lunchtime. They meet all the playability standards and allow for a no-worries inventory.
The big question to me is once a Beginner is ready for their next guitar - "Which way and how much?". |
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| I made my decision and here are the facts,
I have never played a guitar in my life, I don't know if I will like it.
Even if I did like it I would most likely end up buying a better quality guitar in the future anyways, as most of you have done.
I can get a used Applause AE 28 with a hard case for $200. This guitar looks new, it was bought for this guys daughter and she didn't want to learn how to play, he says it's beem played a few times.
Even if it's a plywood top, so what it's for someone who has never played a guitar
So I am going to buy the Applause. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Well, it isn't exactly "the cubicle jungle", but there IS a time-lock on my manacles. Otherwise, I would be at home, accessing my image files, corresponding with Our Needy, albeit impetuous, Brother on this adoption procedure. I've got a half-hour commute, each way, so I really can't make it on my lunchtime.
It will be worth the wait, I assure you.
And, there is dissent in The Menagerie. I have been instructed to thin the herd a bit, and this critter has been sent to the loading chute. No, the 1537, 1127, & JW are plenty secure in their respective niches. Calm down. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by e_a_g_l_e_p_i:
it was bought for this guys daughter and she didn't want to learn how to play Let us know when you figure out why she didn't want to learn how to play. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | E_a_g_l_e,
If the collective wisdom of the board counsels you to wait, perhaps you should heed what they're saying. I have yet to play an Applause that didn't feel like it was fighting with me, or giving me the least bit of cooperation. The Celebrities that I have played are easier, and surely you can find one in your price range. If you can hold out for one made here, that's usually the best. (And the last time I ignored the guitar advice of someone who knew more than I did, I lived to regret it.)
Just my two cents.
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| I appreciate all the input I get from you people on this board and even though I have made up my mind I haven't bought it yet.
I called 3 different guitar places where I live and everyone of the guitar guys told me why by a Lexus to learn how to drive. They all said the Applause was even more than I needed.
But Ok I did come here and ask for advice so I will take it into consideration before buying. I emailed Chris and told him to please send me pic's when he can and I won't buy until I see them.
Now can someone be nice enough to tell me about the 1621-4 and the difference in the electric part from those today. Maybe I am not seeing how great of a deal this could be because I don't know about guitars. Then when I ask others who are not Ovation fans I get all kind of different opinions... most knocking the back and how it is made with the same stuff helicopter blades are made with. So as you can see I am just a confused dude now..
Help me and tell me things about the 1621 besides how good of a guitar it is. what are the pros and cons about the style of electronics compared to the style they use in the new ones??? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was referring to myself spending all day on this board. An Applause is $199 on ebay every day. New. I didn't understand the hurry. Don't understand the decision, but it's your decision. My Matrix was my first Ovation and is still here 30 years later. It's just a step above an Applause. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Sorry, I posted at the same time as your last entry. If the Applause has electronics it is very basic. I don't care much about the electronics in an acoustic guitar, so I'm not an expert, but I think the preamp in an old 1614 is still going to be better than the preamp in a new Applause.
The helicopter blade stuff is way off. The helicopter blades were made of spruce, which is what's used on most guitar tops. Read up on the back issue if you want, but it sounds like you like the roundback anyway, so it doesn't seem relevant to your decision. If you don't care about the difference between a plywood soundboard and a solid spruce, then there's no need to explain. Solid sounds better. I don't get what you want explained. Better materials, better sound, better value, better resale value. |
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| Thanks mark for your explaination, I'm waiting for Crhis to get home and send me the pic's and get some more info about his 1621 and then I will most likely take all of your advice and buy it if we can agree on a price. we are not far apart so I hope we can.
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| also keep in mind the 3 guitar places you called today... sell guitars, do setups, etc... they're hoping for you to upgrade, make it playable, and sell you what you need next....
a 1621 in the guitar world is quite a ways from a lexus... more like a nice dependable middle of the road car..
sure you can buy a daihatsu or kia etc... for a lot less than a Lexus... but you get a lot less too don't you?
learning to drive you want it to be as easy and painless as possible, also reliable and worthy of the task..
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| Glenn,
10-4 it all makes sence, can't wait to see the pic's when Chris gets home and time to send them.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Don't sell yourself short, Ron. With a guitar that you really like, you might really get into it and be a virtuoso soon. I didn't play much for years then I bought another Ovation and got a bad case of GAS. That brought be back to the time I was just learning and would spend hours, days and weeks learning a song. Having a guitar I really enjoyed helped keep up the enthusiasm. Music is a great pastime. Enjoy it with a good instrument and don't limit yourself. |
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| I took the advice of this forum and just bought the 1621-4 from Chris. I'm sure I will be going nuts waiting for it to get here.
Thanks to all of you who talked me out of buying the Applause. I told the guy I would buy it but he had to go to work and was going to take it off Ebay tonight when he got hone but since then someone bid on it so that would have voided our deal. maybe the guitar gods were watching over me.......lol
Now all I have to do is learn how to play... I'll be here often |
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Location: CA | I have a very nice 1861 Balladeer (circa 1996) that the former owner hardly ever played. Color is 'plumburst' I think (sort of a violet tint). Not a mark on it, has the OP 24 pickup system, was recently set up by a pro shop with new strings and has Ovation HSC. Looking to get $400 and can sent pics if you want. Otherwise it will be on eBay next week.
My general recommendation to 'new' players or new-to-Ovation players is to get a USA made guitar as they have solid spruce tops and therefore generally sound better than laminated tops common on the foreign-built models. The better a guitar sounds, the more likely you will be inspired to play it. |
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THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!!!!!!!
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You will love it, Ron. Unfortunately, the 1621 I brought back for my friend was just the start. He now owns my old Applause 12 string and a 1537 I found for him. GAS can be abated somewhat vicariously. I hope that this is the start of a bad case for you. Enjoy the ride. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Okay, I read slow... But that was a cool drama.
I was just mentioning Applauses, not recommending one.
I was gonna recommend the 1621.
I have one. Now you do too...
I have newer guitars.
I have purdy-er guitars.
I have more expensive guitars.
But the 1621 is my best all around guitar.
No tuner, no EQ, But it don't need to be plugged-in.
And it sounds the same with or without an amp.
Nice, mellow, moderately loud.
Enjoy! |
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| Thanks, I can't wait until it gets here. I remember when I bought a 12 string peacemaker at a live auction and paid $280 for it. I never intended to learn how to play it I just thought , Damn that's a hell of a price for a nice guitar like that and because I am a Ebayer I thought I could make a few bucks. I ended up selling it for over $700 and then when I got the itch the first place I came back was here. You guys seem to know what you're talking about.. I just have to learn your lingo so I'll know what the hell you're telling me........lol
Thanks again for all of the input you made 2 Ovationfans happy today the buyer and seller.....lol |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | OK, the saga continues. The critter went through the chute, and was left in the FedEx corral for the weekend. Trucks off to its new home on Monday. There's a bit less grumbling from the remaining herd, too. Don't know where all that narcissism comes from- you clean 'em up, change their strings, adjust their nuts (careful there!), shim their bridges, polish their little knobs, and somehow they get all fussy, and entitled. Damned ingratitude, IMHO. |
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Location: ranson,wva | i got a new baby coming monday as well...i think my tele's are gonna get upset tho......jason |
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| Sorry guys can't relate I'm a only child for the time being.......... :)
BTW Chris, I got my tuner, chart and softball today ;) |
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