How NOT to market an Adamas
Beggin
Posted 2007-07-09 1:23 PM (#314081)
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Check this Ebay Auction out.

No previous sales or transactions of any kind. Nice leadoff picture of his case. Yet, already has an opening bid of $2000.00.

Anyone here going after it?
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-07-09 1:42 PM (#314082 - in reply to #314081)
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Don't know if that's a real bid or not. Heck, for all we know, it could be somebody in the area who's been to see the guitar.

Or it could be bogus. I donno know......
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-07-09 2:05 PM (#314083 - in reply to #314081)
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Maybe it'll bid up because of that strap!
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-07-09 3:10 PM (#314084 - in reply to #314081)
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This is the -9 finish just like the last one I got. These things are BEAUTIFUL. Pictures in NO WAY do justice to how nice this looks in person. IMHO $2000. is still well below market value on such a nice guitar as this.

Dave
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2007-07-09 3:19 PM (#314085 - in reply to #314081)
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there's a few of us within an hours drive myself/slydog and while it's out of my league.. I'd be glad to take the drive and check it out for someone.. and take detailed pics.

glenn
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lanaki
Posted 2007-07-09 4:51 PM (#314086 - in reply to #314081)
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this guitar was previously listed but the seller had no pics of it. first time seller, it's probably a legit auction.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-09 5:17 PM (#314087 - in reply to #314081)
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I'll go with Dave on this one. That is one fine piece of guitar flesh. :D
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cruster
Posted 2007-07-09 7:05 PM (#314088 - in reply to #314081)
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Why would a prospective buy be concerned if an Adamas had been left out more than 30 minutes at a time? Is there some sort of structural concern I should be aware of?
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-07-09 8:28 PM (#314089 - in reply to #314081)
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To me the 99.99% case time is a negative.
Keeping guitars locked up in the dark makes them more than just a little crazy. They tend to act skiddish and unruly when they are brought out.
I like my guitars left out in the open. This way they can learn to handle the real world enviroment. They learn to trust that I will protect them from dogs and toddlers and when called upon they will behave in a socially acceptable manner.
So... please don't lock them away, alone in the dark with no stimuli to let them know they are alive. Mix in a "k" and a "t" and an "s" to "case" and what do you get??? casket.
Let them out.
Let them live!!
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-07-09 10:15 PM (#314090 - in reply to #314081)
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Let them out so the kids can knock them over; the cat/dog can have at them; and so they can rotate or fall off the stands or even the walls; and get knocked over and banged up when the relative shows up?...I like looking at the guitars as much as anybody...and I enjoy showing my collection to visitors etc. but a couple of extra minutes spent casing and un-casing an instrument is impressive itself…makes someone wonder what is so valuable…why buy a case if its not used? They are designed after all to protect guitars. I've seen/repaired many a fine instrument that would have never been harmed if it had only been in a case. Of course take them out of the cases and PLAY THEM OFTEN! That is what opens a guitar up: the playing is the thing; not the fresh air...besides, humidity has been shown culprit to rusting metal parts (OP-24 screws are just one example), just like dry air without a damp-it or humidifier can crack the wood/finish. Of course to each his or her own, but I like my Twenty and Thirty year olds looking as good as my newbie’s! One good bruise or dent will convince most folks! Don't take my word for it: ask JB at the mothership... (Although they'll gladly put back together what the case was meant to protect…for a price)! Just my opinion but I'm sticking to it!
Blessings...
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2007-07-10 1:10 AM (#314091 - in reply to #314081)
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I keep all of mine in free range mode... and have paid for it occasionally with slips, falls, and dings..which I wasn't happy with, but repaired, had repaired, patched or sold(for another flavor)... and yes the animals have knocked one or two over..and so has my wife.. the Maine Coons tip my amps back when jumping and running about the house and the Russian Blue stripped the tolex off my Kustom PA cab on one edge as a scratching post.. but I still prefer arm's reach on a hanger or in a hercules... I play much more, and have several flavors and styles surrounding my workstation...

and JB and I are on very good terms, best service on the planet... when I need them.

I only have 1 case for each style electric or bowl depth that I own and keep gig bags tucked away for light travel... but we live in a 14x70 mobile home..

space is at a premium..

Glenn
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-10 5:11 AM (#314092 - in reply to #314081)
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Slip, I was wondering why mine were acting up at night. Since I've taken them out of the cases, they have been quite civil. Thanks.
Mine get to roam around the house with the dog and cat during the day, and then hang themselves back up just before I get home from work.
Seriously though, (if thats possible here) A guitar hanging on a wall gets played more than one in a case. Mine all hang in Herc. hangers and if I don't play them enough they yell at me. Can't hear them yelling if they're in a case.
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hosebei
Posted 2007-07-10 7:01 AM (#314093 - in reply to #314081)
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To me a guitar is not only an instrument, it is a piece of art. I like to watch my guitars on the wall like pictures and I enjoy every day my little vernissage. And then I play them, because they are inviting me.... A guitar in a case is like jewellery in the safe and children in the fridge. No danger anymore....but boring..hihi
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-07-10 8:50 AM (#314094 - in reply to #314081)
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I don't have any scientific proof, but it sure looks to me that leaving your natural finish guitar out in the open (indirect sunlight) quickens the "color aging" of the top and on my Storm guitars it tends to yellow the binding. Both of these effects would cost you dearly if you were to order a "relic" type instrument.

Dave
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-07-10 9:57 AM (#314095 - in reply to #314081)
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I only use the cases for transporting guitars, and even for this purpose I'm looking at softer alternatives for local use. Cases have hard and relatively sharp edges that bang other things and get banged up themselves.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-07-10 10:36 AM (#314096 - in reply to #314081)
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What Slipkid said was totally squirlly and had no logic whatsoever. It also is exactly what I believe and he said it well.

All my guitars are out either on stands or the walls (mostly hanging on the walls). Guitars are meant to be played and enjoyed. If they are not being played and enjoyed, they should at least be seen and enjoyed. I'm about to buy back a guitar that I sold 2 years ago because I never played it. I didn't realize that I enjoyed having it and seeing it on the wall, and enjoyed the occasional times when I did play it. It's worth the money to have it back.

You keep your guitars in cases and they are just "things". Put them out on the wall and they become part of your home. Try it. You'll find that SWMBO will like it as well......
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-07-10 11:52 AM (#314097 - in reply to #314081)
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Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
What Slipkid said was totally squirlly and had no logic whatsoever. It also is exactly what I believe and he said it well
Thanks Paul... it's easier to be crazy when ya got some company.
I don't have any scientific proof, but it sure looks to me that leaving your natural finish guitar out in the open (indirect sunlight) quickens the "color aging"
I know my AD-II has darkened up A LOT concidering it's age.
We have a natural finnish oak kitchen table. The expansion leafs are stored under the top and have not been subjected to light. When we use them, it's easy to see how much the top has darkened in only a few years.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-07-10 12:25 PM (#314098 - in reply to #314081)
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SWMBO and I have talked about this: She actually would not mind having a few of my Ovations on the walls in the Office...but not the living room (its here thing...my mounted fish can’t reside there either)...but with two small children (under 5yrs) I think it would be an invitation to disaster... (After all, I remember me growing up: my parents were saints for not having me put away...lol). I do a lot of playing out with most of my guitars: for me it just works better to case them and bring them out when company comes over and asks to see them: as a minister, that works better than the "in you face" approach...trust me on this!

Back to the guitar for sale here...it is a beauty! Wish I could aford it...not at the moment...

Blessings...
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lanaki
Posted 2007-07-10 12:30 PM (#314099 - in reply to #314081)
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i gotta keep mine in their cases, just in case...
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Waskel
Posted 2007-07-10 12:41 PM (#314100 - in reply to #314081)
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If there's a tsunami, they also make great flotation devices.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-07-10 12:41 PM (#314101 - in reply to #314081)
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Mine were out on stands when the kids were small and when the dogs were puppies. Never had a problem. The only dings in them are ones that I put in them....
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lanaki
Posted 2007-07-10 1:44 PM (#314102 - in reply to #314081)
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the weather here is not conducive to a guitar's better health. the adamas' would probably fare better than the takamine though.
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Beggin
Posted 2007-07-10 8:45 PM (#314103 - in reply to #314081)
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Since I can't play a lick, I like to have them all out where I can see them and pluck at em every now and again. My office-playroom is in the basement and recieves very little sunlight so I don't worry too much about the ageing effect. When the grandson (3) comes over I give him his own special guitar to play with or sit with him while he strums one of mine. A ding here or there...oh, well it does happen, but I can't replace the short time I have to spend with the wee one. He won't be wee much longer. Guitars can be replaced, time with the family....Priceless!
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-07-10 9:25 PM (#314104 - in reply to #314081)
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"Wow... Are all those guitar Yours?" (The Wall)

[coming from a man who has 12 guitars and a ukulele, who also cannot play a lick :( ]
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2007-07-10 9:35 PM (#314105 - in reply to #314081)
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I used to cringe whenever Nicky came into my office and went to grab a guitar off of the wall... especially since he usually went for Big Red. Not anymore. He probably cringes when I go to grab one of his guitars off of his wall :eek:
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-07-10 9:49 PM (#314106 - in reply to #314081)
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We had three golden rules in our house as the kids were growning. Respect for yourself, respect for other people, and respect for other peoples property. Including MY property. Kids are now moved out on their own and we're about to get our very first dog. So we'll see how those three golden rules may or may not still apply. Personally I have my doubts.

Dave
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CrimsonLake
Posted 2007-07-10 10:02 PM (#314107 - in reply to #314081)
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Dave - you just have to mark your territory. With your collection, that may take awhile!
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Steve
Posted 2007-07-11 11:00 AM (#314108 - in reply to #314081)
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...hmmmm, Now there's one bid for $2000 on the Adamas..
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