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Location: Upper Left USA | "You can 5 into anything, or a 2-5, and don't forget the tritone subs."
Key of C - CDEFGAB - G anytinme...
Key of D - DEF#GABC - A anytime...
What are Tritone subs? |
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Location: NJ | Weren't they in the "Hunt for Red October"?? |
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Location: south east Michigan | A long, narrow, 3 meat sandwich? |
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Location: NJ | . . that reminds me of a girl I knew in HighSchool . . . |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | You can 5 into anything, or a 2-5, and don't forget the tritone subs." Funny, when I first read it I thought it was a reference to 5 by 5 targeting and a nuclear submarine. I know, I'm a knucklehead. Then I realized that it wasn't triton submarines, but it was chord substitutions. Boy what a mistaka to maka! Even so it's a little cryptic to me, but I think the 5 refers to the 5th chord in a chord progression, and that you can always get there logically from any place else. |
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Location: CT | What the hell are you people talking about?!? 5 into a meat sub? What's that high school girls number... Knuckle sandwich? Now I'm hungry! Dang, where's the takeout menu... |
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Location: NW Washington State | That Beal guy must be from another planet, but I'd guess he's talking about this:
http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/jazz/substitutions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone_substitution
Don't let the word "jazz" frighten you too much!
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Location: GA USA | I could probably pick up a thing or two if I didn't just assume that these things are beyond me. |
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Location: Tennessee | From the wiki article:
"Tritone substitutions are also closely related to the alt chord used commonly in jazz. The alt chord is a heavily altered dominant seventh chord, built off of the alt scale that includes a flat ninth, sharp ninth, flat fifth, sharp fifth, and flat seventh. For example, C7alt is built from the scale C, Db, D#, E, Gb, G#, Bb. Enharmonically, this is almost the same as the scale for Gb7, which is the tritone substitute of C7: Gb (=F#), Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb (=D#), Fb (=E). The only difference is C, which is the sharp eleventh of the Gb7 chord. Thus, the alt chord is equivalent to the tritone substitution with a sharp eleven alteration."
The only thing I understand in there is Sharp Fifth. That would be my Glenfiddich. |
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Location: NJ | . . that would your "THE Glenfiddich" . . |
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Location: Waurika OK | Just when I thought that I was once again learning a little bit about playing better, this comes along. Now I know I am going to pour gasoline on my guitars and burn it all up. What's the use? |
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| ..yep, it's a lot of theory gibberish, sounds more complicated than it really is...like the basic chord structure that demonstrates how a 'dim7 chord' can be identified 4 different ways but still sound the same..so, keep your guitars and save the gasoline for a banjo.. :) |
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Location: PDX | The bridge of Gershwin's "I've Got Rhythm" is a great example of a "V of V" ("or 5 into anything") chord progression:
D7 G7 C7 F7. D is the 5th of G, which is the 5th of C which is the 5th of F.
You'll note how this moves counter clockwise around the circle of 5ths.
Many jazz compositions will vary the ii V I progression by throwing in the vi ahead of the ii chord because the vi is the 5 of ii.
Yeah, you can 5 into anything as long as you've got the time.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
From the wiki article:
"Tritone substitutions are also closely related to the alt chord used commonly in jazz. The alt chord is a heavily altered dominant seventh chord, built off of the alt scale that includes a flat ninth, sharp ninth, flat fifth, sharp fifth, and flat seventh. For example, C7alt is built from the scale C, Db, D#, E, Gb, G#, Bb. Enharmonically, this is almost the same as the scale for Gb7, which is the tritone substitute of C7: Gb (=F#), Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb (=D#), Fb (=E). The only difference is C, which is the sharp eleventh of the Gb7 chord. Thus, the alt chord is equivalent to the tritone substitution with a sharp eleven alteration." I thought by playing a classic jazz guitar, this stuff might come easier. It doesn't. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
I thought by playing a classic jazz guitar, this stuff might come easier. It doesn't. All you ever needed to know about playing jazz guitar:
1) You are never more than one fret away from the "right" note.
2) If you play a "wrong" note, play it again, then move one fret up or down.
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Location: Orlando, FL | WOw cruster, that's great! I guess I play jazz all the time. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I think Cruster's Quotable should be imposed on one of the Calendar pages1
Perhaps an OFC Quote on each page?
December's could be "[click]". |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Good idea Woody! I like it. |
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"5 into anything"?