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Location: Atlanta, GA. | I need to do some home improvements so I'm again offering Adamas Slothead #45 For Sale.
$9000.00 + actual shipping. Includes original case and a NOS case cover and documentation since I bought it in Jan. 1990.
It was sent to the Mothership last year for the "SlotHead Reunion" and recieved a clean bill of health.
If it doesn't sell here it'll go on the bay with a higher Reserve.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | WOW! Pretty close to a "once in a lifetime opportunity." Holy Grails don't pop up for sale very often. Somebody will be very lucky to have this one. Good luck with the sale. Dave |
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Location: GA USA | Price drop! Good luck, Colin. Glad I had the opportunity to play it. |
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Location: Thailand | Good luck with the sale.
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Location: SoCal | So very nice. Didn't an OFC'er pay about $10,500 for a San Diego one about a year ago (eBay)?
This gives me GAS!!
What a evening by the fire this could be...#45 original, the 47RI #3, and the OFC #7. Yes, three great guitars, yet distinctive. Like driving a Shelby Cobra or Morgan 4 (#45), my Alfa Veloce Spyder (47RI), and my Mustang GT conv (OFC).
Anyone want to buy three 1687's, a 1685 12-str, and a 1688 12-str? $9600 plus shipping for all five as a group.
That is how good this offer is! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Tony, you need this one!
Maybe a couple of yous should gang up on Tony's offer and do a little Time-share? |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | AAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do these once in a life times have to occur right after I've had to make a major $$$ layout for car repairs :( Same thing back with that San Diego guitar....
Got GAS so bad, I'm wondering if I could pawn off the wife :p |
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Location: south east Michigan | maybe..
pics?
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I'm kidding!! I'm kidding!! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Callimachus:
What a evening by the fire this could be...#45 original, the 47RI #3, and the OFC #7. 42/47/8 :D |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Boy oh boy: this is going to be great: watching and reading as you all vie for the opportunity and decide what to sell, forgo, or mortgage to get this great offering! Well, I for one will be waiting with popcorn in hand as the drama unfolds: Colin, best wishes for your sale and I wish I could be the fortunate one: I'm just overjoyed to have my family in one piece and some excellent guitars to play for them now with a great 1685-8 on the way!
Boy oh boy, this is going to be great!
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Location: France | What a dream .....inaccessible !!!! Good luck with the sale! |
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Location: SoCal | I wouldn't pay $9000 for it. It's missing the strap ring attachment on the neck. But I'll be kind and offer $300 for the rest of the guitar.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
It's missing the strap ring attachment on the neck. I guess your OFC guitar is a pretty accurate recreation ;)
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Location: East Tennessee | Very nice guitar.
Where do you guys find all these cool places to use as a background for your pictures? :confused: |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Moody,
These pics were taken before it went to the Mothership for the "Reunion". They replaced the strap ring. They also replaced the Elixir's you see in the pics with 'Daddio's'.
THAT oughta be worth 8700... don'cha think?
GGG,
These pics were taken at the Conyers, GA. WELCOME
Station on a Sunday afternoon.
While I was there a local cop pulled in and asked what I was doing. When I told him I was taking pics of my guitar, he said "the Welcome station is CLOSED!" I said "Good thing we aren't having any visitors, HUH!".
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Location: Orlando, FL | Oh man, I wish...
I have my plan, I'm off to buy lottery tickets.
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Location: GA USA | Attention Tony et al:
If anyone attending Zillafest wants it, I'll pick it up from Colin this week and bring it down. Like if somebody had family in Fla and needed an excuse to go see them... |
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Location: SoCal | Colin, 9 large is a steal for that guitar. I hope it stays in the family.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I spent a lot of time yesterday thinking about (and playing) the reissues vs. the original. And specifically why would someone pay twice as much for an original. Just to say that the original sounds better is too easy. Maybe the RI sounds just as good in 30 years. But for me the RI is "too perfect". The cool thing about the original, other than the fact that there are only 34 of them in existence, is that playing in brings to me all kinds of visions of the guys building them back in '76. And they probably had very little idea exactly what the hell they were building. These were a bunch of wood workers and Charlie/Bill comes in and says "Here, you're gonna glue braces to this carbon fiber sandwich board and then bore a bunch of holes in it and decorate it with gay fig leaves, epoxy it to a bowl decorated with glitter paint, and then slap on a walnut fingerboard with a headstock that looks like it was carved by the coffin makers." Uh, sure boss .... We'll never know for sure but I wonder how many of the factory guys at the time actually thought this was a stupid idea.
The cool thing for me, is that these 34 originals are NOT perfect. A little off here, that's a little out of whack there, etc. I bet no two are exactly the same. But that's what makes them so cool. The reissue (and especially the OFC version) is a wonderful, wonderful guitar in every respect. In hind sight, this is just me personally, but I would have rather that they made the reissues as 'relics'. It would have been cool to 'age' the guitar in a way that it REALLY was ideitical to the originals.
But anyway, the reissues are themselves great guitars and worth WAY more than the selling price. And original #45 ??? Hell, $9k is almost an insult for such a piece of history. One of the very few, if not only, ovation/adamas guitar that will surely go up in value over the years.
Six months ago #45 would have been mine. It needs to belong within the OFC.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Tupperware:
I would have rather that they made the reissues as 'relics'. It would have been cool to 'age' the guitar in a way that it REALLY was ideitical to the originals. Great idea, Dave!
of course, it would have taken 30 years to get your guitar shipped...) |
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Location: Orlando, FL | I agree with Dave, this guitar should stay in the OFC. Wish I could buy it! |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | This one is killing me...I really don't want to go take out a signature loan, but knowing how few and far between these are.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't posted such nice photos ...
Dear IT department, Please send me one new keyboard as soon as possible.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | It's your fault Tupp, I've started using the excuse to the wife...well, Dave bought one... :)
Actually, the worst thing is Colin's second statement about if it doesn't sell here, it will go to the bay...NOOOOOO, don't let it leave the family! |
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Location: So. Cal. | I have waited, waited and then gave up. When the opportunity did finally come, I never thought twice. You can pay back a loan, buy a car later etc....all of which can wait.
Think of it this way, all of the ones that have gone to the artists are not likely to come up for sale. The other ones floating around surfaced and they were acquired immediately by some of the members here. What is the likelihood of them selling? I will not sell. Dave will probably not sell. Mark? Probably not. Sam? You can't afford it. Bill? Unless he's sober.... You get the picture. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by playadamas:
... I never thought twice. Does anyone else who knows Mike see the irony in that statement?
See, the slotheads are so special that it even brought playadamas our from the shadows and posting again! Seriously, Mike is right on. The few, VERY FEW, slotheads that have become available over the past 5-10 years have settled into pretty permanent homes. Of the owners I know, I seriously doubt many more of these will be changing hands and the prices will just escalate. I know mine isn't going anywhere.
Do the math. The first used one I ever saw sell on ebay went for 3500. The next one I got outbid at 4500. Then the next one I got outbid at 10500. Opportunities like this can not be passed up at any cost.
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | Tony, you gotta have it...just do it! (Has that been used before!)
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Location: big island | it's just a guitar. it ain't just another guitar, but it is just a guitar. and as much as i am dying to have it, i will not covet it. nope, i will not. |
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Location: GA USA | I was thinking about this yesterday. Are these home improvements something that could be handled at an OFC workday? I'm not very skilled... at much... but I'd be up for it. |
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My wallet just dropped under my bed...
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Location: NJ | C'mon Guys, . . somebody GRAB this thing before it ends up in Japan!
If I HAD the $, I'd grab it just t'have one with a pickup . . . |
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Location: SoCal | You know, it's not like any of us NEEDS this guitar. It's like Clifford said, it shouldn't go over to Japan where it would disappear forever. With only 33 of these, you hate to see them put in a vault never to be seen again.
Maybe if 9 of us each coughed up a grand...... |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Interval ownership? |
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Location: NJ | Mebbe you guys can get Colin t'work out a monthly "lease" plan . . . |
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Location: Orlando, FL | I could do a grand, it could be like a timeshare...
Hell, if I thought I could get 9 grand for the lot I'd sell all my guitars for this one. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Would anyone like to buy all my guitars for $9,000? |
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Location: NJ | A couple years ago, I "toyed" with the idea of putting mine up on the block. Take the money and invest in a really nice PA, speakers, maybe a custom-order O DoubleNeck . . .
. . . then I'd take it down off the wall & play it a bit . . .
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| What an offer! I have been gaining and loosing on setting money aside for a custom order baritone adamas I have been thinking of doing. At one time (back when I first joined) I was going to set my cash aside and build it up on the hopes that one of these original Adamas's would come up. Well I have only seen a couple of these come up for sale since I have been a member, this one is as good as any of them. What a guitar, best thing is not only the sound and beauty but the resale.............your never going to loose money on this, just look at it like your paying money to own it for a while and when you sell it you'll most likely make a little money. These are the "Holy Grail" of Ovations and there will alway be buyers for these.
Someone in the group should buy it..... I know we have some professionals who can afford one of these in here. I sure wish I could do it but I am Adamased out at 4! No more. All done. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Maybe if 9 of us each coughed up a grand......
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Location: SoCal | Everybody gets to hold it for 2 months and then it moves on to the next person. We decide the order by pulling names from a hat, then maintain the schedule. You'd have it for 2 months then it would be gone for 16 months before you'd have it back.
At the end of each round, we put it up for sale within the club. If it doesn't sell, then it goes back around. |
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Location: SoCal | For the last one (from San Diego) that Mike got - there was some discussion of a time share. Tough part of that much travel is damage.
I had thought of the "end of each round, we put it up for sale" - my thoughts were to allow a "share holder" to get out, his/her share bought by the other shareholders or allow someone from outside to buy his/her share. It would require the shareholders approval of the new member. Personally, I don't know if the magic number of shareholders is 2, 3, 4, or 6. Heck, with 6 shareholders, USPS/FedEx/UPS would have it for about 6 weeks a year just for shipping. And, if damaged, it would never be the same. Better if shareholders are in the same area and it could be handed off. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | :eek: I'm not sure I like the idea of y'all passing #45 around like a common street sl&t...
(then again, for $9K, I guess that'd make me the pimp)
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Location: Japan | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Everybody gets to hold it for 2 months and then it moves on to the next person. We decide the order by pulling names from a hat, then maintain the schedule. You'd have it for 2 months then it would be gone for 16 months before you'd have it back.
At the end of each round, we put it up for sale within the club. If it doesn't sell, then it goes back around. That sounds like the best plan yet; I'm in! |
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Location: NJ | Oh, . . THIS oughta' be interesting.
Kinda' like KNOWING a plane is gonna' crash, . . . and then get t'WATCH it . . . |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | "Kinda' like KNOWING a plane is gonna' crash, . . . and then get t'WATCH it . . ."
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Location: GA USA | We all know that somebody is going to see that they want to just buy it outright. So go ahead.
Colin's outhouse ain't gonna fix itself. |
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So, you've seen my place??? :D |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | It COULD work, but the idea of a timeshare slothead reminds me of the time a bunch of guys asked me to jump in with them and buy a ski boat. Luckily I said no. None of them are on speaking terms anymore and the boat is long gone.
Keep in mind that it'll cost you about $125. to ship and insure a $9000. guitar, So $1125. for the honor of playing a slothead for 7 weeks out of a year and a half? Sure, you'll get it back if the group resells the guitar. But it sounds a lot like the ski boat.
Not trying to nix the deal, just warning you to go in with both eyes wide open.
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I was all set t'watch the TrainWreck . . . |
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Location: SoCal | You know, I seriously thought about this guitar for a little while. I could sell my OFC slothead and cover almost half the cost. The trouble is, I'd end up with a great museum piece that I really couldn't take out and play anywhere without being paranoid. This is a great guitar that needs to be enjoyed along with one's other great guitars, not instead of one's other great guitars. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You had me dreaming for a week now, but I just can't talk myself into it, so I didn't even bother with SWMBO. Can't see having this and the OFC guitar. I'd probably end up storing this one in the case. Hope somebody in the OFC can swing it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Blame Moody. Maybe you should get a second Slothead, Cliff. |
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Location: NJ | . . . although 45 & 54 WOULD make "sense", now wouldn't it?? . . . |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Go for it!
I'll even write you a letter of "Provenance" to rival any other. :cool:
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Location: NJ | letsee, . . . affording t'buy 45 would require me selling 54 . . . |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | One final thought.
I may consider a Thunderhead Deluxe as partial trade.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cholloway:
I may consider a Thunderhead Deluxe as partial trade. (Preferably a Red one!) DEAL !!! Let's do it.
Oh wait, you said PARTIAL trade ??? Oh, crap. Well the truth is that I'd probably play your slothead a lot more than I play this T-head.
Btw, did you notice that I posted your vibration plot on my website?
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Location: SoCal | I read on HomogenousCentral that there will be a recall of Ovation guitars with pickguards. FMIC will reissue with a Fender embossed pickguard in yellow ochre. Any of the a/e Ovations serviced by the factory will have an acoustic style pickguard affixed, also embossed yellow ochre.
Their marketing team sees this as a way to affect the market of pre-Fender O's and push buyers to their new product. |
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| I never thought one of these would ever make it to the for sale section much less ebay. I always figured most of these are known enough that there would be a buyer waiting.
$9k seems a fair price considering how high some others seemed to go for on Ebay in the past. But hey what do I know I still have not sold my Custom Legend so the market might be different now.
Sure wish I could swing it, always wanted to play one of these. Good luck
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1. to justify three slotheads,
2. to give up one of the 47RI or OFC (especially after "bonding" with them
3. to sell several of other fine guitars such as 1687's or 1688
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Hey, Randy. Since you brought it up, I just saw an original CL that looks just like the 30th Anniversary one you sold me. They were asking $825. See if they get anything close.
As far as the Slothead, as much as I'd like to have it, I can't justify it. Besides the OFC guitar, we just bought a new car. Somehow it was easier to talk my wife into that than it was to talk her into any of the guitars. Different priorities. |
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Location: Colorado | Good Luck Colin...Dave I never say never - but no - I'm not selling mine, though I will admit it once served as collateral when I was holding full house Aces over Kings in Hold'em...I figgered no way he was holding both the other cowboys...I figgered right...Colin...1 and 11/16 or 1 and 3/4? |
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This is a 1687. The 7 denotes standard 1-11/16" nut.
The wide neck (1-3/4") would be the 1689.
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| Yeah those OFC guitars were the ultimate custom reissue if that is the correct term. Certainly a great guitar to own but this #45 Slothead is the "Holy Grail" and to the collector and true Ovation "NUT" that is in most of us on this site. It's The ultimate ovation guitar to own. Value should always hold quite well and continue to increase, it will always be like a 1950's Strat to a Fender "NUT".
Not that it matters...I am just surprised.
I still need a baritone and nothing short of an Adamas will do anymore. God the GAS never stops.
I am hoping to finally have some things recorded and even send a few to You Tube. Have a nice little trio going and some of the stuff sounds real good. One strong original and working on a second. Not going anywhere with it but we are having fun.
Learning more about getting some more up to date sounds from the Adamas's. And Wow how recording music has changed........Still on a learning curve but getting it. Nice Acoustic Zepplin/Tull set....
We have some Rush sounding pretty good......Took me three hard months of non stop practice to learn Red Barchetta on bass, vocals and I share the pedal work with my guitar wizard Aaron becauise I just can't do all three yet..Man that Geedy Lee is a genius. We have an 8 minute WHO medley that is pretty solid and have decided to do some more bands in this way. Three piece is fun but man you have to be real tight and there is so much stuff I want to do from Floyd that needs the Keys and I can't do the pedals for anything complicated so we are looking to go 4 piece if the right keyboardist comes along.
Have no time to check this site much lately but good to see the groups still getting together. I really would like to do a Jam session or especially a class with Matt if one comes up in the Northeast again.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I almost hate to bring this up, but the thought has crossed my mind ... Is is possible that the 47RI and the OFC Guitar have depressed the market value of the originals a bit? I freaking hope not! But seriously, I am absolutely dumbfounded that there has been an original slothead on the block for a month and that Ovation fans are not tripping over themselves to get it!!! And don't go blaming it on the economy or my president, etc. That BS. If someone wants something bad enough they'll find the cash. But maybe there are only so many people in the world who would drop $5k on a roundback guitar and the 125 or so combined "slotheads" have met that demand? I don't know. It just seems odd that something that everyone wants is available but nobody is buying. Colins guitar is stunning and a true collectors guitar in every sense of the word. Am I way off base ???
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Dave, I suspect for most folks its a timing thing. I'd love to pull the trigger on this and maybe I should "fire" sale the rest of my collection and make it happen cos as you say this almost never happens that an opportunity like this presents itself....might just sleep on that thought...but in the meantime anyone want to peruse the list below and make any reasonable offers towards the save #45 campaign? |
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Location: SoCal | Dave,
I don't believe the reissues have reduced the value of the original...what it has reduced is the fact that, prior to the 47RI and the OFC, it was the only opportunity. In addition, some like myself would have been potential bidders or buyers of the original. I got the 47RI because I did not think the OFC would be built (and my obscenely low bid that was accepted). Then, as I had already bought the rights to OFC #7 and someone said "Tony, there is no way you are not getting an OFC" - the second slothead came to San Diego. So, the reissues at least eliminated me from the buyer list.
If no 47RI or OFC, I would have bought this one already.
To those who might want a slothead in the future...I doubt if special/custom order slotheads will be available. With all of the supposition about the sale, wonder if the Adamas Custom Shop would even take an order.
The 47RI and the OFC will go up in value, the originals will go up a lot. Combine that with the fact that this one is worth more than the asking price.
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Location: Lebanon, TN | Originally posted by Tupperware:
... well, do you really need two mando's ??? But...but...one's red and the other's natural !!!!!! ;)
...Oh..oh...yes... and one has stainless smooth Thomastik strings on and the other has 8080's on. Very different !!! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Well, A few weeks ago I made an offer (which was ignored) :( that was lower than the asking price but at least I made a legitimate run at it. :cool:
I am really surprised that it is still here. I have to think it is the timing.... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Callimachus:
If no 47RI or OFC, I would have bought this one already. That's exactly my point. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Well, A few weeks ago I made an offer (which was ignored) that was lower than the asking price but at least I made a legitimate run at it.
I did the same and with the same result...nothing...not even a reply...and it was for the asking price abet w/ some creative financing; too bad, but I just don’t have 9 large in the bank at the moment...but,....its cool!
I have some really great guitars and while #45 is truly a great guitar as well no doubt, I would not sacrifice a portion of my collection to get one guitar. Cliff nails it I suppose: F...ing Reissues: ahh yes, but they are really nice F...ing reissues! The 47 is the Bee’s Knees; and my 1688-5 12 is simply TDF!
Best wishes Colin…at least I tried!
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Location: Orlando, FL | Some of those who have the reissues don't feel they need or can justify the original slothead.
The OFC guitar and the 47RI were opportunities to get something unique, rare and special. This slothead sale is a huge opportunity to own a great instrument with true historic value. I love my 47RI, but if selling it was all it took to get me the rest of the cash I needed, I would have been playing #45 weeks ago!
For me it is definitely timing, too many expenses this year. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Hey Guys...
I haven't ignored ANY PMs sent to me.
I responded to Stephen AND Mike.
Guess I haven't mastered the PM thing yet!
When I hit 'Send Reply' it doesn't always show up in the small 'Sent' box. Some do, others don't.
BTW... I just responded to one from this morning. Let me know if you got it. (you know who you are!)
Maybe e-mail would be better for contacting me.
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Just as well....I don't take rejection notices very well ;) |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Collin,
I didn't receive a reply to my offer either, I sent it a couple weeks ago. I know you read it because the system told me so...however, probably just as well with christmas right around the corner. Don't need the family giving me a lump of coal because they didn't get anything :)
I guess I'll remain one of us that will have to be satisfied owning 2 out of the 3...
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Colin: its not a problem: since the wife's accicent and now with my neck problems, I really doubt I'm in the sahpe to do anything now anyway...and you need to move asap on this I understand...so, again no problem and best wishes! |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Then where did the responses go? I got no indication they failed.
A conundrum!
Guess I've seen too much of Add Reply...... Add Reply...... Add Reply...... then after a while 3 posts poppin' up!
I had heard of how you took rejection and was just considering your feelings. :(
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I responded to your offer also. I feel so bad now!
Am I the only one too dumb to use PMs? |
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Let me send you one so you can not respond to it too. :D :D :D |
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Soooooo ... inquiring minds want to know ??? (In a "Hal" Like Tone) Know what Dave? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I wanna know who's PM got answered and who's the lucky bastid that's buying this treasure piece.
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | (still in Hal's voice) Thank You Dave...I can not seem to find this information in my databanks. Would you like to play a game of chess?
(OK, I admit that I saw 2010 again last night) |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | I'm sorry that some of my responses, to offers, were not sent and taken as though you were being ignored. This was not the case. I thought I responded to every PM.
Within the next few days I'll run it at auction to see if there is any interest. If not, it'll sit in the closet for another 17 years...
THEN TRY TO BUY IT!!! heheheh
Thank y'all for the comaraderie and BS that makes this site more enjoyable than most! |
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Thanks for all the interest shown by the OFC. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | See? Us OFC guys are a bunch of cheap bastids. I bet this thing blows past the $9k asking price real fast. Way to go Colin.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Thanks for all the "well wishes".
ebay has changed their listing format since I last sold anything.
I thought I had selected the SHIP WORLDWIDE option, but I guess I screwed that up!!!
I WILL ship ANYWHEWRE, by ANY MEANS the winning bidder is willing to pay for.
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Don't think there's not a knot in my stomach with concerns about that. |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | It's a shame really, such a beautiful and historic guitar. Sometimes timing is everything, and as time goes by, the perception of such a marvelous specimen will change, and it will recieve the value that is justified. Time will bring it's worth. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Auction's over. Didn't make the reserve and peaked at $7900.... So, according to the law of Ebay an original slothead is worth no more than $7900.
I've said this many times; Ebay is not an accurate or reliable means to measure value.
Now maybe the naysayers may see how ludicrous it is to use Ebay as a benchmark of true value, rather than an indication of what the people who have happened to see that particular auction, at that particular time, were prepared to pay? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | "Now maybe the naysayers may see how ludicrous it is to use Ebay as a benchmark of true value, rather than an indication of what the people who have happened to see that particular auction, at that particular time, were prepared to pay?"
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I disagree. Name me a more reliable benchmark than ebay? Thousands of guitars are purchased every single day on ebay and the voice of that many people has significant statistical value.
What you can NOT do, is use any one-off auction as a point of reference. Timing matters, quality of the description and photos matters, feedback of the seller matters, and some of it is just luck.
I sold an Elite on ebay with a reserve and BIN of $700. In the first week it got 5 bids with a high of $380. Was that the value of my Elite? I relisted it the second week and it sold the first day for the BIN of $700. with exactly the same posting.
Ebay has it's quirks for sure, but just based on the sheer volume of transactions I would still contend that it is perhaps the best barometer we have.
Wrt to Colin's slothead, in hindsight it was probably not a good idea to have the auction end 2 days before the biggest shopping day of the year. If it was me I'd list it again in February.
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| Contrary I'd say this is a good indicator that all guitars are still taking a hit. In case anyone has missed this in the past year or so. You have to admit there have been many good buy's on ebay. Guitars have been going cheap. Today that slothead is only worth the $7900 and that is if our group did not tag it up to the reserve. ?? right?? Now with this particular I'd say that is an unfair assessment of such a rare guitar as it stands at one single auction but if it continues to only reach such a price after repeated sales then perhaps this is the value. Hell just hang on it for a while high end guitars like this will find a buyer by themselves. just make your own website and show it off. you'll sell it for the $9000.
I have made the ebay indicator statement in the past and I based this statement upon dozens upon dozens of sales of one one particualr type of guitar. NOT ONE SALE! and I don't care who you are dealer or collector. When there are thousands upon thousands of guitars selling every day in one place.... Sorry it happens to be ebay.......then this is the best indicator of the market value. IS it not? I am talking about USED guitars now. In fact many dealers in my area tell me they base there values on this internet market as well. I wanted to buy a Chapman Stick. Daddy's Junky music told me they would sell it for what simpliar ones go for on ebay. Sounded like good logic to me. Fact is they have to price there stuff according to the internet values or they will simply not sell guitars. Am I worng here. Sorry if this is not something many like to hear but it is what it is. "THE BIGGEST MARKETPLACE FOR USED GUITARS IN THE WORLD"
ANYONE here going to tell me they have not bought from ebay. ?? Anyone going to tell me if your in the market for a Custom Legend (that at one time used to fetch $1000 US used every day on ebay) and you'd still spend that on a used one at a dealer when you can find one for closer to $700 now from a seller on ebay that has had more sales than some companies?? You can tell me this but I'd say your foolish or your lying.
Now Rickenbacker guitars seem to be going up according to Ebay....... Know why........ ?? I don't but I can guess. Rickenbacker keeps it's assembly line at a slow constant pace and only produces a set number of guitars and basses each year. The market is litterally FLOODED with guitars from all makers, Gibson, Fender,Ovation you name it but Rickenbackers new and used guitars are always a short list on EBAY. IF your a rickenbacker fan you'll know what I am talking about. anyone selling a rickenbacker right now will certainly be using Ebay as an indicator. Sorry you guy's you can complain all you want some of us see it differently.
And the dealers still have the same guitars hanging on the walls. I ain't happy about it I am just smelling the coffee.
Don't sell that slothead. the guitar market has been takling a hit for a while (ebay indicates this as well) but it will come around again. list it on someones web site and be patient. I wish I had the $9000 I'd say it still worth that and will be worth more just like all great guitars!
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there is no strategy for e bay. it is too new. It is NOT a real auction and is unique. I have seen identical items sell for radically different prices.
why pay 1000 when you can get one for 700? because the person you pay 1000 may be a reliable source that you can trust. That is well worth the price difference. I see it all the time, I can buy one on e bay cheaper and they do. then when they get screwed they come crying to me or the message board about how something was mis represented etc. Why? because you wanted to save 2 cents. sometimes it works some times it dosen't.
guitars are taking a hit becuase of a number of factors, the US exonomy is taking a hit, watch the stock market, the commodities market, fill your tank with gas, your tank with heating oil and your fridge with groceries.
the euro is kicking the US dollar's butt and now for the first time I can remember the canadian dollar is equal to the US. I can get into a political rant here but since my job is to censor that stuff I won't.
Now one of the biggest factors is that there are few customers for the guitars. the kids are not really into playing something that you have to work at. It is easier to look at the colors on the guitar hero game. OK don't agree? fine well the quantity and quality of Chinese imported instruments are well STELLAR compared to the POS from holland that I learned on. It is amazing that I learned to play.
so, who do you see at vintage guitar shows? middle aged men. Last time I saw kids was when kurt cobain was alive and he sparked interest in playing guitar again. Many of us are selling off our instruments or downsizing. for every 10 downsizing there is 1 collecing. do the math.
I sell on e bay. I have my own website and business and sell there too. I can assure you that the majority of the stuff I sell never even hits the website or ebay.
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Location: big island | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Why an Item sells for what is "perceived" by many as "more than it's worth." i know this is a no-brainer, but "many" does not equal EVERYbody. the person who bought it saw its value as higher than what the many perceived its worth was for whatever reason. |
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I am selling a 4861 solid-top Korean Balladeer, with case for $250. (OK, $295 with ship)
And people are buying Applauses for $249? (no case)
Yeah, they're new... But!
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I never said that ebay was an acurate benchmark. I just reported the results. I know, my remarks were not aimed at you. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | If ebay is not a reasonably good indicator of what buyers are willing to pay at this particular moment, then what is?
Of course it's not perfect. And the whole thing falls on its face for rare and collectible items such as Colins slothead. Any Adamas aficionado knows that that guitar is worth minimum $10k and will only escalate in value in the decades to come.
But I would wager to say that the vast majority of people who post here "what is a 19-whatever ballalegenlite worth" are asking for two reasons. One - they are ready to bid on an EBAY auction and want some re-assurance how much to bid. or Two - they are getting ready to place their guitar up for auction on EBAY and want some re-assurance about asking price.
Ebay is the worlds largest single shopping outlet. You simply can not ignore the short term pricing benchmarks that it establishes. At least that's the way I see it.
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| Well I have four Adamas 1's right now. Here's the thing. If I wanted to liquidate these for what they should be worth I'd have had the money for the Slothead. Would I trade four Adamas 1's for the Slothead? Most likely not because I need more than one good working guitar all the time and I'd be a fool to use that slothead on weekends hacking up some cover material for the drunks. But if I wanted to go for it..... as the market stands now EBAY tells me where I once could get at the very least $2000 each for these guitars I now can expect $1500 or perhaps less. Now until anyone who says Ebay does not set the price wants to offer me $2000 each for these guitars well then .... EBAY has set the price. And it is short!
Sure wish I could work out a trade with a matching pair of 1687-7 & 88-7 Adamas's and a Custom Legend and some cash for that Slothead. But this is only Thanksgiving, Wishes don't come true until next Month.
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Well, yes, I am disappointed #45 didn't find it's way to a collector who would appreciate it for what it is, even at the (one time) discounted asking price.
Maybe it is the timing. Maybe I'm asking too much. I got a boatload of offers at prices I'm not willing to let it go for.
One of the things I'm thankful for today is that I'm not in a situation where I HAVE to sell it.
So, back to the closet it goes...
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