#47 RI Query
dobro
Posted 2007-12-30 7:16 PM (#309361)
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Now that I'm a full-fledged Adamas fan, I am wondering this: Are there any #47 RI's left out there? Is the 3,500 price tag basically rock-bottom? (I have this idea of unloading my (esentially new) Al DiMeola Signature (1769 AD 11 2005) in order to finance the Adamas.)
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-12-30 7:31 PM (#309362 - in reply to #309361)
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It is not out of the question that some store is still sitting on one. But these kinds of stores are usually not the same place you would find a "rock bottom" price.

The guitars have now been out there for a year and a half. I think your best bet would be to find an original owner who might have put the guitar through it's paces for awhile and now be interested to sell it. Although I doubt the prices have dropped much below original retail. For $3500, either new or used this is a hell of a deal for a guitar this nice.

Dave
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-12-30 8:31 PM (#309363 - in reply to #309361)
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It is truly an outstanding guitar in all respects! Mine gets played every day and never ceases to amaze me with its sound and beauty! I have to say thanks again to Leslie for helping to make this a reality for me!
If you can find one for sale, do whatever it takes (legally) to get it! You will never regret it!
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alpep
Posted 2007-12-30 9:36 PM (#309364 - in reply to #309361)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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STK
Posted 2007-12-30 9:38 PM (#309365 - in reply to #309361)
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Beside the #47RI being quite new and limited number produced, why such a big price difference from a used U681T?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-12-30 9:52 PM (#309366 - in reply to #309361)
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I have no idea if 1) Al's keyboard is sticking, 2) he was choking on a chicken bone or 3) he was trying to wish someone happy chanukah.

STK, the U681 and 47RI are two completely different guitars. The obvious cost difference of the materials and the amount of hand labor in the 47RI is significant. Just look at the epaulets alone. Or the body binding. The fretboard. The list goes on and on. Nobody would ever have any problem justifying the price difference between these two if you look at them side by side.

Which one sounds better? Which is more practical? Which is easier or more fun to play? That's all subject to everyones personal opinion.

Dave
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STK
Posted 2007-12-30 10:10 PM (#309367 - in reply to #309361)
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Thanks, Dave. Saw the pics in the O gallery. It is indeed magnificent piece of work.
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Beal
Posted 2007-12-30 10:26 PM (#309368 - in reply to #309361)
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Al's just getting ready for New Years
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-30 10:36 PM (#309369 - in reply to #309361)
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greg, i don't know if "musician's friend" has any in stock or not, but they were advertising they do just a few days ago.

i just checked again. it says $3499 "backordered - available 1-21-08". that is most likely in error. they probably have none and cannot get any more.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-30 10:47 PM (#309370 - in reply to #309361)
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there was a guy recently (2-3 months ago) from chicago area who was looking to sell his mint condition #47. that post is around here somewhere.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-30 10:56 PM (#309371 - in reply to #309361)
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here's the link greg.
the seller's name was elias and he was actually from the philly area. some other members here have had contact with him previously. this link shows the now expired notice for the craigslist posting.
47 reissue for sale by elias
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stephent28
Posted 2007-12-30 11:03 PM (#309372 - in reply to #309361)
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Greg, you are aware that the 47RI is acoustic only.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-31 12:41 AM (#309373 - in reply to #309361)
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good point, stephen. dobie probably wants to plug in.
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dobro
Posted 2007-12-31 12:58 AM (#309374 - in reply to #309361)
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Yes, I'm well aware of it's properties, including the all-acoustic feature. Just seems to be the best Adamas out there and I was puzzled by the scores of phony "availability" listings on various commercial sites. Al answered my question. Thanks.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-12-31 2:28 AM (#309375 - in reply to #309361)
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The OFC (a blue 47 with two-knobber stereo preamp) could be the best Adamas out there save the original slotheads. You can get something similar custom made if the factory will build it and you can afford what they'll charge for it. You can go to the Adamas Custom Shop Website and go through the different options available to you. A member from France got a really nice custom one made in brown.
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alpep
Posted 2007-12-31 8:02 AM (#309376 - in reply to #309361)
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when I actually had these in stock I can't remember how many people asked me to beat or match prices on the web. I told them to order the guitar. they did, they never got it.

when something is a limited edition of this magnitude and you want to bottom feed you need to do it when they are in production. At this point I would not be surprised if these guitars show up at twice the selling price.

why not? find another one.
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edensharvest
Posted 2007-12-31 11:26 AM (#309377 - in reply to #309361)
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It's the same inherent problem with anything highly collectible...supply and demand. Once the supply runs out, you have to be either desperate or just plain dumb to let something go for less than you paid for it, let alone what the market says it might be worth. I know that at least a couple of these went for a little over 3k originally, and I'd be very surprised if you could touch one for less than about 4k now. IF you find someone willing to part with one.
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stephent28
Posted 2007-12-31 12:14 PM (#309378 - in reply to #309361)
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Originally posted by alpep:

why not? find another one.
This is why I am saving my nickels for the "Q" fund.
If Al is somehow able to pull it off, I am going to be ready and first in line!
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elginacres
Posted 2007-12-31 12:40 PM (#309379 - in reply to #309361)
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Nickels?
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dobro
Posted 2007-12-31 1:09 PM (#309380 - in reply to #309361)
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In my defense, Al: I literally "woke up" to the whole Adamas world last month when I got a 1581 for my B-Day. I guess you could say that for years I had no clue, I simply "didn't get it". Now I do, and HOW! I am one of those (one of you's) who really loves the Ovation sound in all its varieties. For me it is synonymous with guitar. I have no interest in Martins or Wechters (yes I know they are wonderful). So I begin my Adamas quest late in life. What to do? I certainly have no intention of "bottom feeding" on this instrument line. In fact, I am still only figuring out all the different options and models: Adamas I , Adamas II, 1681, 1581, slothead etc. I need to take a class!!!

Sadly I was unaware of all the action that took place two-three years ago. I bought the 1769 ADII, shoudda made a more informed choice. *Sigh*

Like the guy says in Creepshow: I can hold my breath (a long time)
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-12-31 1:13 PM (#309381 - in reply to #309361)
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This really would have been a more logical guitar for me than the OFC. I've probably plugged the OFC in twice. I prefer the red. But SWMBO said she'd buy me the OFC for my birthday and she likes the "blue ones" better than the red ones, so I wasn't going to argue. Someday a #47RI will come up for sale after I've won the lottery and the kids will be done with college and will have settled down with good jobs. As soon as that happens, I'll be ready for one. Meanwhile, Al's Koa on ebay is rather enticing.
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alpep
Posted 2007-12-31 1:14 PM (#309382 - in reply to #309361)
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no defense needed.


some times the train just leaves before you get on the platform.
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dobro
Posted 2007-12-31 1:50 PM (#309383 - in reply to #309361)
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BTW, Randy: What was the fate of the 47 RI discussed in the September thread. Any clue?
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-31 1:56 PM (#309384 - in reply to #309361)
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i dunno
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stephent28
Posted 2007-12-31 2:19 PM (#309385 - in reply to #309361)
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The individual in question has an interesting history. Search the archives for his name.
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Stuart Miller
Posted 2007-12-31 3:37 PM (#309386 - in reply to #309361)
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I actually spoke to Elias about several other things he was selling as he is local to Philadelphia. He is a serious Vintage and collectable Martin collector too.

Other than a few extreme pieces (Gold top Adamas!) he has sold almost everything highend Ovation/Adamas. Almost everything highend Adamas went to Japan apparently. Apparently spending more time in Greece these days and has moved much of his collection over there.
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stephent28
Posted 2007-12-31 4:14 PM (#309387 - in reply to #309361)
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Doesn't Povation have 3-4 of the 47RI's?

Maybe Dobro could convince him to share the wealth and part with one.
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dobro
Posted 2007-12-31 5:17 PM (#309388 - in reply to #309361)
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yeah!!
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-12-31 5:23 PM (#309389 - in reply to #309361)
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Originally posted by Stuart Miller:
I actually spoke to Elias about several other things ... apparently spending more time in Greece these days
That would explain why he was not available for lunch.

Dave
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-31 5:55 PM (#309390 - in reply to #309361)
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povation has 5 of 'em listed in his gallery:


povation\'s collection
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dobro
Posted 2007-12-31 10:10 PM (#309391 - in reply to #309361)
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I am a bit uncertain of "Povation's" identity. Anyone care to fill me in?

Of course it is arrogant to think that Mr. P would be willing to part with one of his five children just because they're quadruplets :)
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stephent28
Posted 2007-12-31 10:11 PM (#309392 - in reply to #309361)
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Povation is an active member based in Thailand. He has family (I believe) in California which is where he has a lot of the guitars initially shipped.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-12-31 11:15 PM (#309393 - in reply to #309361)
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dobro,

check out the man's gallery on this board. last time i saw it, i think there were over 900 pics posted!
he's one "amazin' asian" (which happens to be his eBay handle) :D
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-01-01 2:15 PM (#309394 - in reply to #309361)
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Originally posted by dobro:

Of course it is arrogant to think that Mr. P would be willing to part with one of his five children just because they're quadruplets :)
I think I understand this analogy, if you meant to say quintuplets.
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dobro
Posted 2008-01-01 3:55 PM (#309395 - in reply to #309361)
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No, I meant what I wrote(hence the smile!) I took Randy's advice and looked at the gallery: very cool guitar stable indeed! Hard to believe the extent of some of these collections. Wow.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-01-01 6:13 PM (#309396 - in reply to #309361)
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Visiting Povation is on my long list of things to do when I retire.
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