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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Give it a whirl...
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Location: south east Michigan | Is this what the new board will look like or will it be a seperate site?? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | If it works out, it will be the new home. If not, it won't.
Lots of features... video, photos, profiles, essentially everything people have been asking about, and we ARE a social network, so I thought I would give it a spin, kick the tires etc...
It's also VERY easy to manage, more bandwidth, etc etc.. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Will all the historical data transfer over??? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Looks interesting but my main question would be how the forums are laid out. Didn't look like you could easily read all the comments in the thread????
Other than that, it looks and feels REALLY COOL!!! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Actually I'm looking to see how or "IF" it pages.. Click Forums... then scroll down past the input box.... I'm curious how long it will get or if it pages. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | It pages and seems to ALWAYS keep the original starting post on top. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Certainly not as easy or friendly as this board but man, the possibilities are outta sight! |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | I like it, seems like it's got a lot of flexibility for both users and administrators. Little more skill investment up front to find our way around, perhaps, but this is (largely) a pretty smart bunch! :p |
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Location: south east Michigan | I've seen some boards that only give the first sentence or two of the post. If you want to read the rest you have to click on it. I hate that.
And I've seen others where the threads seem to branch out into little sub-threads. I hate that too. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Like I said there... I will let y'all figure-out how it works, then you can share it with us computer illiterate folks.
I could get use to it...
But you Know that there a Members who don't visit as often as some of y'all who will be confused.
I'm guessing there will be some way to cure that problem in navigation... eh?
[alot more advertising to Pimp My Profile and get a Loan and how to get rid of my beer gut :mad: ] |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'll give it a good test drive.
What I'll be looking for is the ability for us to communictate with each other with the ease that we do here. Bells & whistles are nice but if they get in the way of us talking to each other, it's not a good thing.
As JeffW said, this site florishes because of real people makeing real connections. Any type of software that gets in the way of that is not so good. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by dvd:
but this is (largely) a pretty smart bunch! :p Who did you spend last weekend with? There was at least one other member that joined me and walked away when you guys started your geekspeak. I heartily subscribe to the KISS principle. |
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Location: NJ | Can't really "see" anything here.
WhiteBackground/TimesRomanText/Boxesw/NoPictures.
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | ok...all the fun's gone from playing with it. |
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| Very cool.
But I love this place. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | In general, the Social Networking site allows for MORE communication if that's possible. Not only are there the forums, but there are also "groups" and the ability to write on each others walls. There is also an email interface, and somewhere I read that there is a chat widget.
With so many features, and more than one way to view most, you are not going to see everything in five minutes... and what's the rush anyway. :)
I see already folks have uploaded Video and Pictures and started groups. Not a bad start. |
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| It's not that hard to use and if I can use it ANYONE can use it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by schroeder:
It's not that hard to use and if I can use it ANYONE can use it. Wanna bet? I haven't figured it out yet. Who was it that complained to Al or Miles and rocked my boat? I feel like Rainman, being forced to leave the home. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Geeez, here I go again...
Will the new format/capabilities reduce that cherished educational/inter-action/family soap opera atmosphere within the General forum? If so, then why jeopardize what has been proved to be a good thing and familiar to all that calls this site home.
Taking care of photo issues and some of the other complaints should not drive the owners nor the membership to unfamiliar territories at the risk of losing the totality of the spirit of this site.
Who remembers when the air was clean and sex was dirty? Oh well... 
Just my $.02 FRN... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Northcountry:
If we go in there will we have to talk with Cliff? Not if you behave yourself..... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | This 'Social Network' thing assumes that you wanna be Sociable... :rolleyes: |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Interesting. I like it and all the "extra stuff". I'm gonna have to browse around a bit more, kick the tires.
However, It's hard to beat the simplicity of the the classic OFC. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | OK, I like it!
a bit quiky yet...but arn't we all!!!
Congrats Miles and Al! |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Now I have to jump back and forth between two forums. Hopefully this won't go on too long. |
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Location: Michigan | Miles , everytime I go to the site I get an error message that Internet Explorer has encountered a problem with add ons and needs to close.It then tells me to send the error message to Microsoft or dont.Any thing I click on ends up kicking me off Internet Explorer.
Suggestions please :eek: and try and keep them simple.Thanks GWB |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Actually the Networking site works better in IE at least until Firefox has the next update, but that being said...
Insure you are up to date on IE. That error sounds like a few of the bugs that have been recently addressed, or, you have some malware. There aren't any "add-ins" required that I can tell on the home page. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | How do my young nerd-buddies say it... Internet Explorer Sux?
Something like that... I'll wait for the Firefox update.
(Or check for one now...)
Okay, I got "Firefox 3" and now I have the Cuter :p version of the tool bar...
I hope that it is better, even though I've had no problem with the New site. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Wow, embedded song support now! (See "My Music" in your Profile Page) How often have we seen requests for that around here? Cool! |
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Location: Isle of Man, UK | First glance... I think I like it.
It's going to take some time that I don't have right now to browse around and try and break it before I come up with a proper opinion, but it seems nice and fresh.
Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
How do my young nerd-buddies say it... Internet Explorer Sux?
Yah rly. FrFx is teh Roxxors.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | After returning 'over there', the screens are different than yesterday, a lot more friendly.
If the original forum layouts are retained, I think I could learn to live with the extra goodies. Learning how to do the whats, whens and wheres may require some help.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by cliff:
On what little I can "see", there are ads here as well . . . Get the AdBlock addon for Firefox. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):
Works fine on Safari. Mac fans of the world cheer! The photo slideshows don't work on the iPhone, though. bummer. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Couldn't find the smiley icons there.... :-( |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | :-P
IF we go to the new format, will all the current members (including lurkers and those in hibernation) get an invite to join?
And what about the photo galleries and The Vault, will that stuff move over too? |
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Location: big island | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Nice. No Google Ads !!!! methinks i detect a bit o' sarcasm. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I agree about the NO SMILEYS!!!
Sheeesh..
IF... note large letters IF we go to the new format (which there is a good chance at this point), I will have links setup to return to this one for archival purposes.
Although there are some limitations over there, the features seem to outweigh the limits. |
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Location: Orlando, FL | Sorry, no go. The other site is blocked at work! No OFC at lunch??!? I won't make it through the day! |
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Location: big island | mahalo for your efforts on this, miles. i perused and got active on it last evening and i like it. i'll persevere to not start any more threads you have to shut down. here's one last gremlin/smiley from me for posterity's sake: ;) |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | As opposed to change as I usually am, I'll get used to it... I guess.
There are some nice features.
I've also gotten many requests to be added as another member's Friend. (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
What's the deal with this??? |
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Location: SoCal | Guess you didn't realize you might have friends?
As Sally Fields said, "You like me, you really, really like me!"
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Location: Jet City | only 100 photos allowed is kinda sucky, I had to scale it down to only Ovations, then scale it down to just a few pics of each ovation.
I do have several galleries and things going though. There are some nice features, but not so easy to figure it all out. Be prepared to start giving some tech support. It's all a bit overwhelming in some ways, and I'm kinda a tech geek.
Maybe you can outsource technical support to India. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | Yeah. I've been told "You don't have any friends... you have ACQUAINTANCES"! :p |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Damon, that's 100 photos per upload session. Look at MusicMishka, he's got 199 photos now. |
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Location: Jet City | Ah! More to come tonight then.
So...
Should I be feeling insecure cuz less than 1/3 of the people on their have asked me to be friends? Kinda clicky dontcha think? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | The more I play with it, the easier it is to navigate.
It even kinda has a "preview" feature and you can jump to the last post of the thread. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by Designzilla:
Sorry, no go. The other site is blocked at work! No OFC at lunch??!? I won't make it through the day! 'Zilla, do they block by IP address or domain name? Perhaps if/when Miles cuts over, the new site would become ovationfanclub.com and it would start working for you.
Can you get to http://www.davidhasselhoff.com/ ? That's hosted by Ning as well. (9000+ members???? uggh!) |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | creeps me out too. I just followed the Ning link from the new OFC site and ended up on their front page, where they "feature" it. I didn't want to be the only one with some sleepless nights ahead! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Watching the "burger" incident actually grossed me out! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I just noticed that under the "Links" section over at the "Social Club" that it allows you to jump right over to these "topics". (That's actually how I got here).
I wonder if Miles could do the same thing on this site that would allow some of the members that are temporarily "blocked" to jump over to the new site via this one. |
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Location: Jet City | We should pin this thread to the top of this forum too |
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Location: Atlanta, GA. | The new site gives you 15 mins. to edit/delete a post before it's permanent... some folks are gonna need that extra time!!! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by cholloway:
some folks are gonna need that extra time!!! ...not I!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I guess like anything you get used to it in time.
I sign on and mispell the name (as if I'm a great speller anyway). I can't find a way to get back and edit that. WTF????
And there's shit everywhere, I guess you just get used to it, columns here, other comments somewhere else, a comment wall, where the F@ck is that??? Out in East Jesus Tennessee? I posted a comment and hell if I could find it.
I'll stop bitching till I've had a better chance to check it all out. It doesn't take much to confuse me and Miles, you've done an excellent job of it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You beat me, Bill. I started down the option for if you're already a member and then couldn't remember which email address or password I used for this forum. Then I ran out of patience and took a walk down the street to the guitar shop. A lady walked in with a 50's vintage Gibson acoustic that she wanted some information on because her dad left it too her a few years ago. That was much more interesting. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
It doesn't take much to confuse me and Miles, you've done an excellent job of it. Hmm I'll take that as a compliment :)
All seriousness aside... on the upper right, when you log in, there is a link to "settings." You can change all you info there. It does take a bit to get used to, and I'm far from used to it. But, on the other side, in less than 24 hours, there's a ton of cool music, video and photos and it's fun watching people come up with stuff. There's even a pet Llama :) |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Having to sort through all this new stuff on a dog-spoo puter with a dodgey wireless connection doesn't help. Upgrade man! Move with the times. |
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He's using his SummerKeyboard.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Get with the program Beal! Doncha' know retirees are the fastest growing computer consumer segment?
'Course, they mainly surf porn. Still.... |
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | I'm blocked out at work as well...because it is a "Dating/Personals" restricted site address.
Now, what am I gonna do for the next 6 hours???
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Location: Rego Park, NY, | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
Having to sort through all this new stuff on a dog-spoo puter with a dodgey wireless connection doesn't help. Beal does this mean you are using the original #47 computer? :p |
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| Miles I hate change. But I deal with it like the rest of us all the time. With that said, I'd say; as long as there is still a site and it is functional for the rest of us then........You do whatever works best for YOU. If this is better for you and I hope easier to maintain then don't worry about what us bunch a nuts think we will tag along anyway.
Thanks again to Both of you for getting this going and keeping it.
kewel site man! |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Though many of us have an unhealthy amount of our time and affection tied up in this place in the end, it's Al & Miles baby, we just play here.
Pretty though the other site may be (pretty confusing, pretty compartmentalized...(, I'm only going to be playing at this site until (should it happen) I get the word it's all been moved. I have to spend some time in the real world...... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | It'll give me something else to whine about. It worked for the door prizes the other day. Anyone need a couple hundred guitar picks? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I'll apologize first... Don't beat me up on the playground.
The other site is Pretty and all that... But you can find stuff here.
One thing, the New site only lists the top five (or so) recent posts.
If you wanna find answers to something you posted, you have to go to your 'My Page' to check the things you posted on.
This is not conducive to people answering your thread after a couple hours of normal traffic, cuz the thread has faded into the ozone.
I posted a topic about amps last night, it has faded into oblivion... This makes it hard to get the most insightful random comments.
Here, there are topics that are days, weeks old.
Even if no-one posts, a thread is here on Active Topics for at least two days...
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Art, not beating you up, but click "Forum" in the top menu bar, then click "General Posting", and you'll see lots more than just the top four. including yours. But I agree with you, I'd rather just see subject lines only, and have a lot more topics per page. This might be something Miles can manipulate when he gets back on the mainland. |
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Location: closely held secret | Art, you can also click on "General Posting" under any of the posting headings on the main page.
I agree, it is easy to lose track and hard to keep up.
Personally, I would like the posting text box (where you enter your replay) to be at the bottom of the page, instead of having to scroll back to the top of the thread. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Thanx Waskel, DVD...
This is a learning experience...
Now... Repeat after me...
Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! (Change Sux!) Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good! Change is Good!... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by lanaki:
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | OK, I'm there, but I have to confess I don't like it. There was nothing wrong with the old way. This Myspace-type format seems childish to me. I have to sign up as "friends" with people if I want to see any videos they've posted? I thought we were all friends here. Now my e-mail box is filled up with friends requests and that's not good. I'm having trouble deleting e-mail and tech support can't figure it out. They have to periodically go into my account and delete EVERYTHING, or I can't receive new e-mails. Not THIS site's fault, but it does complicate my life.
I admit I'm not good with computers, especially since my old Mac died and someone gave me this blasted PC. But I really wish we could just keep the old site going and forget this "social networking". I HATE Myspace too. Everyone said I should get one for the shop so I did, but all I get is stupid messages from kids, who are the ones into social networking. I just want to talk guitars, not socialize.
It's not my call, but here's my 2 cents worth. If it makes things easier for you guys who run the site, go for it, but I can already see that my participation will be greatly reduced. It takes too long, and I don't have time or room on this crummy computer. Thanks for listening. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Canterbury - at least for the email there is an easy fix - you go into settings on the upper right hand corner of the main screen - click on email on the left side of the screen and hit the check box the says "None: I don't want to receive emails from Ovation Fan Club".
As for the videos, all you have to do is go to the video page and you can view any of the videos.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I think most of the issues come from the old "comfort Level" and not readily knowing where things are. Most of my initial concerns were merely a lack of not knowing where to go to accomplish what I wanted to do.
Each day the site gets a little easier to navigate and I am sure that as Miles learns the ins and outs we will start seeing a standardization of sorts.
Will it ever be as easy as this site? No but I prefer my wireless phone over a corded rotary dial even tho the old one is more reliable and can never get "out of range" (as long as the cord reaches!) |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Isn't there some way to have member's messages show up on the site instead of on our e-mail? Even Myspace doesn't intrude on our regular e-mail accounts. If I don't log on to Myspace, I never know if I have a message from any of those 15 year old kids who are the only people who hang out there. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I just turned mine off. It is an option, so now the only emails I get are when I join a group or get invited to a group. Cut it down by a factor of 100!!! |
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Location: SoCal | First of all, I appreciate that we were shown what the social network through Ning could do. I have added it as a link to my wifes website/forum so that her members can host & develop their own mini-sites.
I see the Ning site as valuable.
However, for what attracted me to the OFC, I don't concur with some. In addition to the individual members, what attracted to me to this site was the simplicity of navigation. Clean, defined categories, etc. Gallery is nice but there are a number (including Ning) that offer free or low cost hosting. A simple link to a photo or album is all that is necessary.
So, if this site is eliminated, save my email if you have a question as it will be rare when I have the time to work my way through the new site.
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Location: SoCal | First of all, I appreciate that we were shown what the social network through Ning could do. I have added it as a link to my wifes website/forum so that her members can host & develop their own mini-sites.
I see the Ning site as valuable.
However, for what attracted me to the OFC, I don't concur with some. In addition to the individual members, what attracted to me to this site was the simplicity of navigation. Clean, defined categories, etc. Gallery is nice but there are a number (including Ning) that offer free or low cost hosting. A simple link to a photo or album is all that is necessary.
So, if this site is eliminated, save my email if you have a question as it will be rare when I have the time to work my way through the new site.
My recommendation, use this as the forum, let members use the other for their high storage/broadband. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
OK, I'm there, but I have to confess I don't like it. There was nothing wrong with the old way. This Myspace-type format seems childish to me. I have to sign up as "friends" with people if I want to see any videos they've posted? I thought we were all friends here...
...But I really wish we could just keep the old site going and forget this "social networking". We ARE Friends! Ain't we?
I am guilty of being Sociable too much and not always talking (typing) about guitars.
So, What happens if I request to be someone's friend and they say "NO"?
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Location: New South Wales, Australia | I know a lot of people who say that change is good. But am I the only person on the planet using an old computer and an old and slow dial up system.
Maybe I need more patience but after more than several minutes waiting for the page to download I decided to abort the mission.
In saying that...I do hope that whatever happens is successful and that O players around the world can still have a great place to go. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yeah, my eamil is getting jammed with all that "please join us spoo". That should go away when the dust settles but in the mean time... Then you just have to worry about scarring somebody for life with a rejection, Don't worry OMA, I joined up.
There are all these groups and then blogs and probably lots of other stuff I haven't found yet. The nice thing about this site was all the topics are in front of you. You go into a section and you get all the posts listed in Headline fashion, It seems more like trying to read paragraphs in a newspaper with the new layout. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'd have to say I agree with Tony. Keep this OFC as the real OFC warts and all, and let others do the social networking if they so choose. Just my opinion. I looked around over there and It's all very nice and I really applaud Al and Miles for the effort. The majority of the members will probably love it, I'm just not sure it's for me. Maybe I'm just old school where you don't get 'invited' to be friends, it's just something that happens when people share like interests and attitudes. If the old OFC goes away that's fine. I understand that change will always happen and in the process some move along with it and others are left behind. No problem. Again, this is not a knock on Al and Miles at all, I think they have responded to the wishes of the majority and have done a great job. Maybe I'll figure it out in time and join the 21st century. If not you all know where to reach me.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Geez, I go away on a 1 week road trip and look what happens. Well, I f@cking hate it! It's too much like MyArse and FaceAche, which I also f@cking hate. That shit is for teenagers and younger.
We're old farts. The simplicity of the OFC, apart from its membership, is what makes it so accessible - it must remain simple. I don't even know how to log in. Am I supposed to join again? You're seriously gonna lose the Ozwattos of the world if this is the route you're gonna take us.
Sorry if I sound pissed off. I just finished a 9 hour drive with 2 very tired kids and a wife with a toothache AND her period. :rolleyes:
Sorry Schroeder. It's just you and Richard in the Aussies group. Aussie Rules? You probably know more about it than me - aerial ping pong! Vegemite? Yuck! |
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Location: south east Michigan | copied from the other board...
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For myself, I don't plan on adding any "friends" to my homepage. It seems rather exclusionary (is that word??). For better or worse, I concider all of you my friends.
However, if one of you blogger / Myspace guys can give me a reason why I should publicly announce my deepest feelings for 100 of you and leave the 5900 others wondering just where I stand, please let me know. Maybe there is some kind of functional purpose to it that I don't understand.
And about the "groups" feature. I think it's a cool feature and might serve a purpose. I just hope it does not breakdown our Band Of Merry (for the most part), Men (also for the most part). A worst case senerio is that we de-evolve into a bunch of splinter factions.
A thought just came to me. The reason I have a wary eye on the new site is that I'm afraid I'm going to miss something. Something educational, something funny, something thought provoking, or some announcement I would want to know about. To bring back the analogy of the banquet hall, the old format had everyone sitting at the same table.
We just don't know what factors make the OFC different that all those other sites we have visited. If we knew what it is we could be careful to not screw it up, but we don't know what it is.
In case you were at another banquet table when I said it before....
I don't mean to sound like a ludite. There are many interesting and useful features with the new format. Let's just be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. ( I hate cliches but that one fits)
Meanwhile, back at the "old" OFC....
I really like the mp3 and video features over there. If this is the only way to get those two cool features it might be worth it... maybe. But I don't need to see a little picture of myself on every one of my posts.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Slipkid:
To bring back the analogy of the banquet hall, the old format had everyone sitting at the same table. Eggzakery!
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Location: Tidal Mudflats of Virginia | Since we're in a cross posting mood...
There maybe 5900 others on the OFC site, but it seems like only a hundred or so that are active every day. I've invited EVERY member of the new site to be a friend, so that they can view my videos & one song. I did that so the material itself would not get picked up by every other person using the .ning.com website. If you go under the settings, in PRIVACY, you can turn off ALL the email junk. I have yet to receive anything other than the notification that my video has been successfully uploaded. I like the new site, more features and capabilities. Will we lose some moving to this format, probably. Is the core group of members going to find ways to stay in touch, definitely. I can't believe the format of the old board is what separates our OFC family from all the other forums out there. I probably belong to a dozen or so guitar forums...funny thing, I just don't go to them very often, if every. It's just handles and dull posts. I don't even visit the Takamine forum anymore...and most of its members are from here! The PEOPLE here are what make this forum work, not the format... |
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Location: south east Michigan | But I don't need to see a little picture of myself on every one of my posts.
And I don't need to see an artsy-fartsy picture of Schroeder attached to every one of his posts either! :D |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Tim in Tidewater:
The PEOPLE here are what make this forum work, not the format... And if you confuse the shit out of them, you'll lose a lot of em.
OvationBook / MyOvation only has 55 members at last count, and its already confusing. And there are already 12 sub groups. What's gonna happen when the membership hits 1000 with splinter groups going off all over the place?
As it is, it's like a CyberPub. We all come into the bar and all our mates are here. The new format will be like a private members club with a small foyer and long corridors with lots of 'meeting rooms', some open, some locked. The magic will be gone.
My fear is that there are enough members that DO like this format and it will stay, to the detriment of the original forum.
Doesn't this shit already exist with MySpace? Why re-invent the wheel?
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Location: south east Michigan | Seeming little things like, "How do I accept someones invitation to be a friend" is a problem.
I discovered quite by accident how to edit a post. There is no obvious edit button but if you click on the post itself, you can edit it.
It's the "easy if you know it, hard it your don't" things that can be a problem for both current and future members. |
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Location: SoCal | I've gone over to the new site and signed up, but that's it. I don't have any desire to learn a new system (hey, I'm still using WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows). I guess I'll learn it when this place closes down, but I don't have time in my life to sit and learn a new system. Either that or I'll just post here with the rest of the dinosaurs.
It appears to be patterned on MySpace. I've never had any desire to learn that either. |
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Location: Texas | I say there are pros and cons for each format and I can get used to either one, but it makes no sense to have both.
Pick either one and get rid of the other one.
I think the owners should pick the one they want to moderate and maintain.
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
I guess I'll learn it when this place closes down, Well, let's not allow that to happen.
Closing this place down, I mean. Not you learning it.
And here's my bit of cross-posting:
Nothing to do with not being able to do it. I can do it. I choose not to. If this continues, the magic of the OFC will be lost.
I like Brad's analogy of the Banquet Table. My own analogy is that of my local 'CyberPub'. Everyone's there in the bar - all your mates with all their wit and banter. You don't have to go looking for them.
So it's got some bells and whistles. Yoohoo, Yippee! So has MySpace, doesn't it? So use MySpace to put up the MP3's and videos, or YouTube. Why re-invent the wheel if the toys some of us 'need' already exist. Just use the toys you 'need' and link to them from the good old OFC Arms.
Don't take my pub away.
Originally posted by scott lamperd:
Too much for me... I'll leave it to the young. This old fart will be gone... At least I can still play...
scott lamperd BC (Before computers) This is what worries me... It's started already. |
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Location: SoCal | Yup....
Ok, I admit it, I don't terribly want to learn the new board. I'm not a tech person. I'm a people person. In my work, I don't deal in widgets, I deal in what is not fashionably known as "bodies". Very rarely, it's life and death. More commonly, it's solving people problems. But it's people I choose to spend my time with, not computer systems. I have no desire to learn new technology and more importantly, I don't have or want to devote, the time.
Hell, I can't even get the various components of my recording stuff to work on my computer.
If the OFC goes to the new format, then I don't expect to spend much time there. I'll invest in phone calls and email..... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Message from DOCTOR ARTHUR---
Don't hold back Muzza... Tell us what you really think! :eek: :cool:
It took some of y'all 48 hours, but alot of y'all "Freed Your Mind" immediately.
Yes, I'm Old! I don't lie about my age. I am Proud that I am still alive after all the [stuff] I have been through.
I don't try to be a kid. And I do not have, and do not want, a MySpace page.
I will use the new site. And it is kinda neat. But I prefer the simplicity of this site.
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Location: NJ | Let me begin by saying that I HATE MySpace/FaceBook.
I have my own page in MySpaceMusic, but it's only got my name/picture, and nothing else. Basically that's because I don't know how to set the rest of it up, there's absolutely NO "Help" there on HOW to to do it, and I will admit that it's VERY HighSchool "clique-ish" . . .
I opted to invest in my own webpage thru Yahoo, as it was more intuitive and lacking the bullshit.
I find the whole "Friends"-thing kind of exclusionary & stupid. You may have noticed that I haven't "invited" any "Friends". I just don't feel that I need to to "pick & choose" amongst the people here (tho, on rare occasions, I'd LIKE to). If there's a way t'do a "Select All", then fine, but that'll put a shitload of stupid little pictures on MyPage that I don't think I need. Any/All "invitations" I've received I've "accepted" for the sake of being "polite".
The simplistic "Forum" that we have here DOES work in that it's easy to see/navigate, but it IS rather limited, and DOES have the propensity of becoming downright "boring".
I honestly DO like the Gallery/Video/Music features on the new system. That alone to me is worth exploring, but the whole "Social Networking"-thing DOES leave me a little cold . . .
Is it possible to keep this as the "Main" OFC Page and then "Link" to the other for those that want to take advantage??
Yes, there ARE independent sites like PhotoBucket, MySpace & YouTube to access all this extraneous stuff . . .
. . . they all "suck", and it leaves the individuals as prey to all of the asswipes that live their lives on those sites.
We would have the luxury of just having to deal with our OWN cadre of asswipes, and the format is ALREADY set-up for our OWN particular use/need.
". . I don't wanna'(fell that I need to) learn new technology . ."
Guess what?? . . like it or not, we're living in a TechnologicalWorld (that changes all the time).
Thusfar, you've mastered e-mail, the Internet, iTunes, digital photography, and (in some cases) digital recording. Was it really all THAT hard??
How the the hell were you able to learn/master the guitar without investing a little time, sweat-equity, and GreyMatter RealEstate??
HERE's an Idea:
How about setting-up a "Group" that actually ACCOMPLISHES something (like "Tutorials") comprised of Members that can actually HELP those that feel like their "in the weeds" and help relieve some of their frustrations??
". . I'm working on a piece-of-shit computer on an antiquated system . ."
I'd like to see how many of these same people update their cars every few years without batting an eye, and will strive to go through all the trouble and expense to order/upgrade to the newest, whiz-bang, bells&whistles pre-amp that Ovation has to offer for their guitar, . . and THEN never plug the f@ckin' thing IN!!
If it does go wholly to the NewSystem, I too will probably be spending less time here, but that'll only be because I can't access any/all of the fetures during the day, and it'll only be a matter of time before the IT Dept. catches the whole "Social Networking"-thing.
I LOVE the Features/HATE the "clique-iness".
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Thank God the Tak site isn't like that. |
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Location: Eaton, Indiana | I wonder if we will have to add MIDI to our acoustics to play this new game?
Leave it alone. Oh, did I spell MIDI correctly?
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Location: SoCal | Again, the Gallery, Chat Room (rarely used), off topic or speciallized discussions can all be served by the personal pages/groups on the Ning.
Maintain the forum on this site. Members can link the Ning when they want for photos, videos, or specific information that they have on their page. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | So Miles and Al should pay for and administer two separate sites? That doesn't seem practical.
I think the new site demonstrates that we've outgrown the limitations of the "traditional" OFC technology.. we like having more flexibility with our profiles, considering how many people have customized them. we like having a much more functional photo solution. we like having the option to post videos and audio tracks. Guitars are auditory and visual works of art, and they inspire people to perform and interact. To be able to capture that and incorporate into the already great OFC community is exciting.
Perhaps there's another forum package out there that meets those needs and doesn't chase off all the luddites. :)
Or give Miles a chance to tweak the Ning stuff to see if he can make it work more like our community does. If we ditched the Friends and Groups stuff, would it really look/feel that different?? Different enough that long time contributors would give up and walk away? Seems like you could just bookmark the "Forums" tab and forget the rest. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | So, moody, did you spot the "their" that should have been "they're" or was it another one? I'm with the old farts on this. More features isn't necessarily good, but not necessarily bad. I signed up last night and immediately got a bunch of email notices that someone replied. I was out all day and expected a bunch more, but didn't have any. I guess I know who my friends are now. I saw something on how to stop the email notices and will probably explore that eventually, but this system has basically been the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" system as far as I'm concerned.
I change cars an average of every 11 years and cuss the new technology on the new ones until I get used to them.
Muzza is right. The average age of the regulars is pretty high and I don't agree that the new way of communicating is better than the old ways. When it comes to expressing a coherent thought, the old farts will kick the newbies asses. But Muzza, if your wife still has periods, you either aren't an old fart or you robbed the cradle. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
If the OFC goes to the new format, then I don't expect to spend much time there. I'll invest in phone calls and email..... Paul, you're lucky that you've met a great proportion of the active membership, so you're in a good position to do that. A lot of us rely on the forum to keep in touch.
Originally posted by cliff:
If it does go wholly to the NewSystem, I too will probably be spending less time here, Another valuable member that we wouldn't want cutting back on his wicked wisdom. I know for a fact that we would lose Ozwatto, pretty much completely. We can't afford to lose any more Aussies. Oz is 20% of the OzOFC.
Originally posted by cliff:
... it's VERY HighSchool "clique-ish" . . .
I find the whole "Friends"-thing kind of exclusionary & stupid.
I agree entirely with the childishness/cliquiness - and stupid should have been in bold.
Originally posted by cliff:
Is it possible to keep this as the "Main" OFC Page and then "Link" to the other for those that want to take advantage??
This is one option, but if we just removed the 'friends' BS and allowed only the administrators to create 'groups', which would limit the maze to a couple of 'forums', I think this could work. Yes, the bells and whistles are great, and some of us will eventually use them.
Originally posted by dvd:
So Miles and Al should pay for and administer two separate sites? That doesn't seem practical. Pay for another site - I have already put my hand in my pocket for the OFC once. I get so much enjoyment from this place I'll readily shove it in again. And again. And again.
Administer 2 sites - I've suggested that Al and Miles engage some help with limited moderation access. I've suggested that Brad (SlipKid) be the one to kick it off.
Originally posted by dvd:
Perhaps there's another forum package out there that meets those needs and doesn't chase off all the luddites. :) Maybe there is, but not ALL of the objectors are luddites. I know more about computers than the majority of people half my age. My fear is that the ready accessibility to ALL posts will no longer exist and the whole FaceAche / MyArse look and feel is for pimple squeezers.
Originally posted by dvd:
Different enough that long time contributors would give up and walk away? Seems like you could just bookmark the "Forums" tab and forget the rest. Yes they would, because the "banquet table / CyberPub" would be gone, along with the thing that I believe makes the OFC so special - it's inclusive.
Originally posted by Gallerinski:
I think you guys are making way too much of this. If you like the new site go join it. If you don't then don't join it. What's the big deal? Dave Because Miles said "If it works out, it will be the new home. If not, it won't. "
Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Again, the Gallery, Chat Room (rarely used), off topic or speciallized discussions can all be served by the personal pages/groups on the Ning. Tony, the OffTopic stuff may annoy you, but for many of us, the OT stuff is one of the things that makes the OFC so enjoyable.
And finally, Mark, I'm 49 in September. My SWMBO is looking good for her age, but I'm no cradle snatcher. ;) |
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Location: SoCal | Re: "Tony, the OffTopic stuff may annoy you, but for many of us, the OT stuff is one of the things that makes the OFC so enjoyable."
Off topic in posts has never annoyed me and I have been deliberately guilty of it often. :eek: Difference is that it usually started as a legit thread, usually back to the original subject.
I was referring to the natural (positive) development of "different" discussions between two or more, as friendships and interests develop. Heck, four or five OFC'ers could start their own chat on radio control airplanes. Looks like the Ning site would support.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | QUOTE from my post on the "OFC Take 2"
HOLY GEEZ! I've spent the last couple of days reading the posts on both boards and I feel like the guy in the "Is it real or is it Memorex" poster! I haven't seen blow-back like this since Hurricane Frederick! I'm beginning to think my hairline recedes a little every time I pay a visit here.
I gotta admit, I feel sorry for Miles and Al. People complain for months about the lack features on the old site, so they make a (VERY) good-faith effort to address them. Now people from the other side of the coin (or is it the same ones?) are griping that the new site has, you guessed it, TOO MANY FEATURES!
Here's more personal history than I normally cough up in a public forum: I've spent the last four years as a professional trying to straighten out some very specific and complicated problems in 400 churches and 200 schools plus a few other places besides. Part of this process involves changing policies and procedures to facilitate a better environment for the LONG term. Some of the statements I've seen here, I've been hearing for years. When it comes to change, some folks have at it, some just say "Well, OK," some say "I don't like it, but whatcha gonna do?", and some say "Over my dead, rotting body!"
I am almost bemused by our moderators' ability to keep there fingers from their keyboards as their "friends" bash each other around the ether.
Has it occurred to anyone that Miles asked us to "Check it out" and provide feedback. He and Al are looking to please as many people as possible within the limitations of this horribly faulty and completely unreliable morass called the world-wide-web. So let me print one observation I've made after many years of being the "change agent" for another wide-ranging agency (the one on the receiving end of the "input"). I regret that, because different people read things in different tones, some will see the following as condescending. I can only hope that others will point out my disclaimer that I refuse to condescend to people I have never met, especially strangers who have provided invaluable advice to me over the years. I call this an observation. You can call it my opinion, my advice, or my foul gas if you like. But here it is:
When someone asks for your input, I absolutely guarantee they will more readily respond positively to professionalism, discretion, and (get this) COURTESY than they will to ranting, posturing, and foul language (no matter how many letters you replace with symbols). Admit it, I'll bet anyone on this forum who's ever been in the position to do so has hung up when the person on the other end of the phone starts swearing at them.
I, of course, have my opinions about what works and what doesn't on both sites; all of which have been well-illustrated by others. I see no need to be redundant with my posts (Unless they involve multiple guitars, I very much enjoy that type of redundancy).
But I will say this, specifically to Miles and Al: I've learned more about guitars in the last four years than I did in the previous twenty. On top of that, I've had some great conversations in this group. I'm perfectly content to let you two call the ball here. You do the work, you've earned the privilege, and it was your horse out of the gate anyway. You can put this site in whatever format you want wherever you like. I'll find it. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | You're a youngster Muzz. You have an AARP down there? One of the crushing blows to my ego was when I got an AARP membership for my 50th birthday. My father in law thought that I would really appreciate the senior citizen discounts. Might as well have given me a year's supply of adult diapers.
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Location: Orlando, FL | Miles. I appreciate the huge amount of personal time and effort you have put into this site over the years. You and Al created a nice place and over time a very special community grew out of it. I also appreciate the time and effort you are spending on the new site just to try to make improvements and respond to comments and criticisms.
I like a lot of the features on the new site, but don’t really like it.
With a site like that I believe we will lose a lot of the things that brought us here. When I first came to this site looking for buying info on Ovation Solid bodies, it was very simple to post my question and get good advice from the group. It was kind of like walking into a small bar full of people and asking, “Hey does anybody know where I can find a Deacon or Breadwinner for sale?”, and having a conversation start. After that I could easily see what all the other conversations were about and join in or listen if I wanted. I think this kind of vibe is a big part of what keeps us coming back.
I may have posted my question to the new site, but I’m not sure I would have bothered to listen to or join any of the conversations. It would probably be like some of the Flash developer sites I occasionally visit. When I have a Flash question, I’ll ask my question and check back every so often for replies. I don’t care what else is going on, I just want an answer. The new place is like walking into an entertainment complex and wondering if anyone will hear me if I ask a question.
I guess this place is comfortable and intimate and the other place is big and loud. That doesn’t mean they are not both fun places, One place, it’s easier to chat with everyone, the other place, you visit groups of people, listen to music, look at things,
This place is, at it’s heart, first and foremost, a forum, in every sense of the word. The new place is a lot of things, including a forum.
I believe the character of this community will start to change with the new site. Old members will start to drop off or visit less and a new breed will take their place. Can you imagine if Hal Jordan could have easily posted video and audio? Or HeatherDDD??!
If it comes down to a vote, I like this place. If keeping both is an option it would probably please everybody. But, it has been very nice having one large Ovation online community, I would hate to see that change. |
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| Continuing the tradition of cross-posting, these are my observations from the ning site:
"What's the difference between "Friends" here and "Buddy Lists" on the old board? So far, the "Friends" thing is the only way to select members to whom you want to send a message (like the PMs on the old board), if you don't have their personal emails, that I've been able to figure out. I don't get hung up on terminology, we're all well beyond high school and (hopefully) mature enough to realize that a label for some functionality doesn't translate into reality. "Friends" are people with whom I converse with on a more regular basis, and often off the board, than the general membership. No one on the old board can tell me they don't do the same.
As far as groups, I'll shout out a mea culpa for starting the first one, but I did that more to test the capabilities of that feature than to be exclusionary. But at the same time, bobbo's got it right - there's no reason that people with the same specialized interest shouldn't congregate. Why shouldn't the audiophiles form a group to discuss the technical merits of a triode? What's wrong with BFLG'ers getting together to swap tips on how to rout a rabbet to replace a piece of binding. Is anyone going to tell me that they read EVERY SINGLE post on the other board? When a regional group of members is planning a get-together do you honestly care what time so-and-so is arriving, what beverage they're bringing, what shirt they're wearing, if you're not attending that gathering? I don't see Groups as being exclusionary at all. If you have a specialized interest then join that group, or create it if it doesn't exist.
The best things I've seen about this site are the personal pages, photos, videos and music files. These are all things that people have been clamoring for on the the old board for quite a while.
Smilies? Just as well that there's no easy way to add them to your posts.
I'm not advocating either this site or the old board. Unlike several who've flat-out stated they won't participate if the old board is shut down in favor of this one, I'll continue to monitor, post questions and (sometimes wrong) answers, announce interesting guitars I've seen for sale, congratulate OFCers on their acquisitions, offer up members of my herd when I want a change, etc., etc., etc. When all is said and done, it's the PEOPLE who participate that make the community, and not the place where they gather." |
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin | This is better than when we used to talk politics and war. Nice job Miles! I like the new format and it's capabilities. Change is good, keeps us young. I used to teach computer classes to retired folks that just wanted to understand what the rest of the world was talking about and be able to communicate with their kids via email. I knew there were lots of people that don't care but didn't realize how many don't want change. Maybe you could find a DOS platform and see what people think about it. |
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| Well being one of the guy's who never camplained about the old site....... I have to say I went to the new site again for a while and ya know it just does not have the sense of community. Someone said it, and I agree; I think this will splinter the group. You will no longer have the simplistic charm we have now. Hey I disagree with people....news flash right... I have been guilty a heated arguement or two in here but because we all post from the same list of topics we have to deal with each other. This helps as far as I am concerned.
I just got finished with a weekend retreat for three church groups of kids. We had the event here in a secluded camp site in a little valley with a stream that runs behind our home. Some of these kids have problems some are honor students.
(SOUNDS LIKE THIS BUNCH) Anyway first real problems we had and it happened more than once is some kids feel the need to seperate into a smaller group and go off and hide in a tent or remove themselves from the main group. This causes problems. I am quite sure I do not need to go into the whole scenario of feelings or misscommunication that results once this begins. We have all been through Middle School Right? Anyway the comparison is this, once you make smaller groups you feel like your intruding if you find a topic you may want to post a thought about. And if the group is one that does not come out of its respective shell very often or if your post is simply ignored when you do intrude..... then when they post in another section the same sort of elitist crap continues. Before your done the charm is gone. As for the "Friends" thing I am sure we can all understand this is not high school but it is "juvenile" non the less, to an adult... It is childish and it is just one of of the many less than charming features this new format offers.
I say don't do it. And I also say the "Change for Changes sake" is rarely the right course. But hey I am just a guy who belongs to a site of Ovation nuts. |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Here I am, a member of the "PB&S of the OFC" subcult: "Pterydactyls, Brontosauruses and Stegosauruses of the OFC." I have been to the new site, registered, and am trying to figure it all out.
Given the fact that we already know that the few techno-skills I may conceivably have are totally abysmal to begin with, it's been an interesting (to say the least) experience.
To me, this board is like walking into a big convention-type conference room, everything peripherated around the outside edge, visible at a glance and easy to locate. The other board is more like a maze to me, and I'm not sure where the chalk-line arrows are.
I'm going to hang in there, and try to get a handle on it...if anyone finds me in the fetal position, rocking back and forth in a corner, it will wear off; just tuck a blanket around me, lower the lights, turn on some soothing music and tiptoe away. ;)
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | S'all right Karen. There, there.
It confuses me too. But I'm quite accustomed to being confused, so it doesn't bother me much.
There are some nice places I've bumped into there. Then sometimes I can't find them again...then after a while I figgered out how to find it again.
It's a learning curve. We'll all be on it the rest of our lives.
But yes, this place is a little easier to see who's been around lately. Except when it's busy with new thread and the one you were looking at a week ago is off the front page, so it goes. |
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Location: south east Michigan | There will be a learning curve. For some it will be easier than others. It's nice that you don't have to jump right into the deep end of the pool because you can always come back here for a little breather and some encouragement.
Like Karen is doing, ya gotta give it a chance and realize it might take some brain power. I'll bet that 4 months from now we'll wonder what all the fuss was about and we'll all be enjoying all the new mp3s, videos and photos. And I am including Al in that statement. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | What Cliff said.. Only need to address one item.
"Is it possible to keep this as the "Main" OFC Page and then "Link" to the other for those that want to take advantage??"
THAT IS THE PLAN!!! It's been posted several times, but to many the drama of assumption is more fun.
I do need a clarification tho.. when you said "MAIN OFC Page" I assume you meant the main forums?? The "main" page has little on it but the entrance and a menu.
Thanks Cliff for the well thought out post. I agree with ALL of it. MySpace and Facebook remind me of the early days of the internet when we all knew we had to have a page, no one knew why.
The future, at least according to some experts is the ning-style network. Like Facebook, or MySpace but allowing indivuduals and groups to create their own space, for their own purpose.
Bottom line...
don't like it = don't use it
do like it = do use it
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Miles,
It would be a good idea if you shut down the forums on the new site. That way all people would know to post discussions here. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I think that already happened...
But you can still link to it for photos and stuff... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Miles, we still need links to "HOP" back to the social site.
I'd love to see them set up to go directly to "VIDEOS", "PICTURES", "GROUPS", etc. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I'm not sure if this is possible (and haven't really thought it through) but is there a way the social site could include an "Ovations I own/have owned" that was searchable.
This way you could quickly identify people who have a particular model you are interested in. Obviously it would only include those who filled in the details. The photos section requires a lot of hacking through to find out what guitars someone has.
What I'm thinking of would involve Miles creating a list of all model numbers (maybe along with a picture of each) and each member could tick a box 1) I have it  2) I had it  or 3) I want it 
Somehow make it searchable so people who were desperate to buy could make tempting offers to people who weren't planning on selling but could be tempted. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | And I'd like all my posts to appear in my colour of choice. It should be pretty easy for Miles to do as I'm a guy and there are only four colours. Red, Yellow, and Blue. Then I would be happy.
Thank you.
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Location: Central Massachusetts | There's a freeform area on your profile page where you can list your guitars. Unfortunately it's not searchable. at least not currently. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by fillhixx:
Come visit me in The Ironics, a splinter group that broke off from The Sarcastics at the new sight. We never mean what we say except when we do/don't. Just make sure you pay your licensing fees! or were gonna send Mr. Big over the border to visit ya! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Originally posted by The Artist (FKA Richard):
I'm not sure if this is possible (and haven't really thought it through) but is there a way the social site could include an "Ovations I own/have owned" that was searchable.
Just create a profile HERE and create albums and upload pictures. Use the TAG feature to describe the model and it should be searchable. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I just tested the search... WOW!!!! That is just too cool. |
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| Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
I just tested the search... WOW!!!! That is just too cool. The key is making sure you use the right (and enough) tags for your pictures, otherwise the search just returns hits on the picture title.
If you're uploading pictures, I suggest you batch upload all like pictures together (example, all pics of a 1537) and use the "apply to all" checkbox of the batch uploader to give all of those pics the same tags.
Ive tagged all the guitar pics I uploaded. If you go to the Photos section of the Social site and search for 1619, for example, all my 1619 pictures will show up. |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | $0.02 (mine)
... not sure about having the two sites active... too much to bother with and will end up ignoring one of them. Should be one or the other... not both..... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Just got a message: Uh-oh. The site has encountered a serious problem... Looks like nobody's perfect. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yeah, this is not good. That is cuz I just transfered a bunch of photos from here to there.
Well, not too many.
But I did copy all my photos from this gallery, in case I had inadvertently lost them from my computer...
(oh yeah, I just realized that some of them were from my Other computer, so that was a good thing)
I especially wanted to save this photo...
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Originally posted by fillhixx:
I'm a guy and there are only four colours. Red, Yellow, and Blue. :confused: |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I deleted all my photos from the old site. Most were old guitars that have long since been gone anyway. Dave |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I saved all mine, but Dave, You shoulda sent all that Historical stuff to Photobucket...
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
... not sure about having the two sites active... too much to bother with and will end up ignoring one of them. Should be one or the other... not both..... Tim, there is really only one 'site', this one. The 'forum' part of the other site has been disabled.
Consider the 'other site' as a storage facility and 'specialism' area.
I've gotta say, this system is good coz I can still check in at work and keep up with the forum goings on. Just have to do the fancy stuff from home. |
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Location: Tuscany, Italy | Back from holiday....and found a lot of news on the OFC !!
Surfed the "ning" a bit to get confidence with it.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I saved all mine, but Dave, You shoulda sent all that Historical stuff to Photobucket...
They woulda kept 'em there for Posterity. Everything except Calvin Pissing on Taylor is already on www.ovationgallery.com
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Seems to be movong in the right direction.
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| A secondary site with the options that one has is great! Perfect end result, did not know this was an option, sorry if I added to any Drama, I was going by your first couple of posts Miles and that this New Site would become the "New Site" if things worked out. Hope this email is not too Dramatic.
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Location: Orlando, FL | Beautiful solution. Now we have the best of both worlds. Thanks Miles! Damn good job! |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm checking the "new" site maybe twice a day for any comments left on my page or to pull a picture I want to post here. Other than that, it's business as usual.
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Location: Tennessee | Well, it's all perception. Perfect solution my ass. Nothing has changed except we're pushing the "non Old Farts" somewhere else to play. There are no links from here to there. Only one direction - jeez, if someone by chance finds the other site and then wants to ask a question, they get punted over to the ubb that is so last century. This will cement the opinion of many that Ovation players are out of touch with the real world. And we're doing a real good job of making sure we do not appeal to the next generation of Ovation players. Just my opinion. |
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Location: big island | whoa! hold on, bobbo. miles is workin' on the links according to his announcement on the other site. it's but a matter of time. there's never been a "perfect solution" for anything on this planet, but i suspect most of us earthling-type ovation players will be quite satisfied with the results of this platform. many mahalos, miles. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Hey Bobbo,
Please take this in the light-hearted manner in which it is intended..
I plan on migrating to a new Forum as well. I need a Perl Script to extract the current forums into an MS Access Database. That should take about 80-120 hours of coding. I can handle the next step of porting the data into the new database, so I'll expect you will have the Perl Script ready by next Friday ??? Don't forget to include the "member numbers" when you create the users table.
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It's 5o'clock "Somewhere" . . . . ..or anywhere. I need a drink or 5 just to catch up with Bobbo..... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Gotta agree to an extent with Bobbo.
I though the forums on the "social" site were picking up steam and doing quite well. I had gotten to where I could navigate through them almost as easily as this site.....plus having everything on one site made life easier for me.
I think the trial period was cut short. Given another 30 days, I think this site would have been basically carted off for dead.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | In most points, I have to say that Stephent28 and Bobbo are genuinely correct: however, I also take into account what Miles said about the amount of time it takes to convert the info from here to there (and no one can say Miles that you are not doing a fantastic job...and many thanks are due)...The point of what Bobbo said about the need for a new up to date site may be painful to some, but it is exactly on point! I'm probably one of the oldest here, but if I can do it anyone can...as I said in the post (to Brad's message) about change: unfortunately it's true...the older one gets the more insecure one gets about leaving that comfort zone...There is an old saying but a very correct one that says: "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten".
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Location: south east Michigan | Personally, I feel just a little like I'm being talked down to.
It's my understanding when the work is all done we will have all the new bells and whistles with a discussion forum that looks the same as the old one. So we loose the ability to have our own personal little icon on every post but we retain a format that is easier to browse and keep track of conversations. What's wrong with that?
It's my guess that a few members will use the mp3 and video features and a lesser number will do the blog and group thing. That number will grow with time but for now I think that the majority of members won't be interested. That's okay. It does not make them stubborn old farts with some type of phobia or personality disorder, they're just not interested.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten".
And the corollary..
Insanity = "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
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Location: Vernon CT | I've been waiting to make my 500 post something "Important or Special" so, I guess this is as good as anything. 1st, Miles, thanks for all the time, effort and dealing with the constant "critisism" about the 2 sites you have been dealing with. It is obvious you will NEVER please everyone. I've been checking this "Topic" off and on for the last few days and if I have missed something, I appoligies. It just seems that NO ONE is going to be completely happy about 1 site, the new site, both sites. My suggestion is to just do what you (Miles) feels is the best for this group and move on. You are not going to please everyone. Hell, I am not completely satisfied with the new site, Why, because I don't have the knowledge it takes to navigate and use all the great features it offers. Not anyones problem but mine. I there for choose to do the best I can and enjoy what I can figure out and what is there. 2nd, We are all "friends" here on this site. I've sensed some "friendly" tension going on. We are all allowed to have our opinions. Lets keep it positive. If I am miss reading some of the comments, Sorry. I just felt I finally needed to put my 2 cents in.
Miles, thanks AGAIN. :)
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Location: GA USA | BT, on the money with his 2 cents. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | The dual site thing seems to be working out well for me. The forums over here are easy to use and familiar. The new media stuff over there is nice as well and I like that I can use as little or as much of it as I like. I get these "please be my friend" emails from people that I've been friends with for years which is rather odd. But other than that so far so good. I've been porting all the old standingovation and tupperware photos into their proper directories.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I would prefer a single site (the new one) but I will continue to use what is provided and be happy with it. I certainly would not want the grief and headaches that Miles and Al deal with so I am just happy to be. I have made many wonderful friends through this site and I am sure I will continue to make even more (through both sites).
Thanks for the efforts, sorry for the bitches (both the old ones and the new ones sure to come), and the continued progression of the OFC in whatever shape or form it will ultimately morph into. |
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| Originally posted by stephent28:
...sorry for the bitches (both the old ones and the new ones sure to come)... You mean YOU were responsible for HeatherDD?!?!?! :eek: |
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Location: SoCal | Hey Dave, you notice that I haven't asked you to be "my friend"? What does that tell you? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Hey Dave, you notice that I haven't asked you to be "my friend"? What does that tell you? ... that I won't have to hurt your feelings by saying NO ??? |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I have responded to no friend requests, nor sent any.
I just don't know how to make the buttons work and don't want to punch the wrong one, unintentionally insulting someone. I prefer deliberation.
I'm a deliberated kinda guy
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Did this thread get un-pinned? It was seen floating down the list. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
The dual site thing seems to be working out well for me. I'll say. You like it so much you've joined twice? :eek: (that is, unless someone 'stole' your "StandingOvation" tag.)
Phil, the unfortunate thing about the new site, is if you want to PM someone, they have to be in your 'friends' list. It's just a word. As everyone says, we're all friends already. It took me a long time to get over my aversion to the 'friends' thing. In this case, it's just a word. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Apparently "Tupperware" has risen from the cyber-grave also... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Just moving the old galleries for standingovation and tupperware to the new media area.
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