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Location: Upper Left USA | Wanted:
A Viper Bridge Pup
A Chrome one piece Bridge
Your broken solidbody
A Bass Amp
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Two Solidbody Bridges, Brass and Plastic, I have chrome posts for these.
One Solidbody Bridge for early 12 string, with posts.
Two Ovation Bass Backplates, with posts.
One Schaller, Made in Germany, Bridge with posts.
One early Breadwinner shielding box.
One Viper Neck Pickup (if I can't find a Bridge pup).
Contact me if interested |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | You might want to bring your list to the Gathering.. I have most of what you want and I could use a few things you have. |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Miles (or anyone else), do you have a breadwinner/deacon neck plate (chrome)? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I still have these parts if anyone is interested. |
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Location: Scotland | Anyone have a later Schaller Deacon 12-string bridge thay'd like to part with? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Gulp!
I have a Chrome one piece Schaller in great condition. They are hard to find and I have it slated for use with a PD 12 neck but I'm open to sad stories!!!
I also have a Brass and Black Plastic 12 string bridge. |
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Location: Scotland | I've been messing with string gauges in an attempt to improve the intonation on my Deacon 12, and it's almost there, but a Schaller bridge would probably solve the problem. It's a guitar I rarely use and it's never been a problem in the past when I've used it live, but I'm right in the middle of recording an album and the intonation in the lower positions is just not good enough. I've had to record the 12-string overdubs 3 times, once with the guitar tuned so the lower positions intonate correctly, then retuned for the middle of the neck and again for the higher positions. It's a royal pain. That sad enough for ya, Master Woodford? |
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Location: NJ | YouGuys recording in the garage, yet??? |
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Location: Scotland | Not yet, I still haven't decided whether a full-blown conversion to a recording facility is a good idea or not. The college where Sam & I teach has been closed for summer break so we comandeered a couple of classrooms. In fact I just moved the kit out yesterday. Everythings done except the electric guitar and lapsteel parts, and I can do those at home using amp modelling software. There's office space which looks ideal just come up for lease in town, so I'm taking a look at that this week, so that may be the alternative to a garage rebuild. |
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Location: NJ | can't wait t'hear it . . . |
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Location: Shotley Bridge, Northern England | Paul, I have a electric 12 bridge of unknown make. It has long saddle travel and is adjustable by fine Allen keys. No idea of the make, but if would help just let me know and it's yours :)
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Location: Scotland | Padraig, if it has the same post centres as a Gibson stop-tail then it might work, other than that it's gotta be the Schaller or staying with the original. Can you shoot me a pic? |
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Location: Maine | Let me look... I promised one to MWOODY first, but I can search again... Talbot |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Paul - is this what you're looking for?
If it is... I've got one. |
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Location: Scotland | Dat's the one! Need the height adjustment posts too. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | I'll have to check on those... I'm not sure I have them. Would the posts fit in the same post holders as the brass/plastic bridges? |
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Location: Scotland | The thread size is identical but the posts are different. The early bridges sit on top of the posts and are anchored against string tension by a third bolt through the rear of the body. The later Schaller bridge posts work like a Gibson stop-tail but are interchangable with the earlier Ovation posts. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Got 'em.
Questions:
- are these posts difficult to come by? I have one set of posts and three bridges (including this 12 string).
- are there any other off the shelf type posts that will fit the bill?
Paul - pm me and we can work out the details. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | The anchor inserts are a .500" extra extra fine thread that I can't find a Machinist willing to duplicate for me. These are the same threads used to make fine adjustments. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Woody - have you checked with the factory? I know... silly question.
Someone, somewhere must have a stash of these things laying around.
Anyone? Bueller? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Last I checked the Bridges were available at a minimum of $150 each. The only posts and inserts available were those that were cannibalized. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | I'll do some digging around here... there's got to be Someone who can make these things (posts and inserts... not the bridge). |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Not available from Schaller?
Or are the posts an "O" part?
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Location: Upper Left USA | Ovation did some very purposeful diversification of parts. It can be a real SOB to find them.
Back on topic - I bet there is a Deacon shaped VXT in the near future.
Even if I have to make it! |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Here is the Chrome 12 and a worn Gold 6 with a smattering of posts and such.
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Paul, I just wondered how far you were playing up the neck with that 12 string?
Having played 12 string electrics for a while, I think you are maybe asking it to do something which would be very hard to achieve intonationally, past perhaps the 5th position.
(no matter how good/expensive the guitar)
Finger pressure will, as you know, not be evenly distributed that far up the neck, and slight bends (putting one octave string out with the other) are bound to occur.
As you have to alter the string intonation in pairs on one saddle, this is not ideal either.
- Never kept an electric 12 in tune any longer than 3 gigs at the most, due to mainly the wound and plain strings deteriorating at differing rates.
Best of luck anyway - |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Of course, if you want the real thing:
Condor - complete |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | If I remember right; the thread size is the same as that used on some gun silencers. You might check with a gun smith to see if you can get them made. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Originally posted by MWoody:
Of course, if you want the real thing:
Condor - complete
"Youre the one that I want"
Unfortunately thats about $2k by the time it gets here.
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Have somebody in the UK grab it and ship it to you with the neck separated. Toss the gig bag. Viola! |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | interesting that the bottom of the fretboard is straight rather than the mustache. Also that it's rosewood, not ebony.. perhaps not original? |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | David the shipping is not so much the issue, the exchange rate and import taxes are.
My daughter works for EMI in London and has shipped a couple for me previously.
It's $1400 before shipping and taxes
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Location: Upper Left USA | Re: "You might check with a gun smith to see if you can get them made."
Dude, er Bruce - You Rock! |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Captain Black:
Paul, I just wondered how far you were playing up the neck with that 12 string?
Having played 12 string electrics for a while, I think you are maybe asking it to do something which would be very hard to achieve I use the entire fingeboard. And frankly if a "professional" instrument cannot be in tune across it's entire playable range (within the limits of tempered tuning and the compromises involved in that of course) then it is not a professional instrument, 12 string or not. There is no reason why a quality electric 12-string cannnot be set up and adjusted to play in tune across it's range. The fact that the early Ovation electric 12-string bridges have a fixed saddle seems to the obstacle to an accurate set-up. I've borrowed a cheap Danelectro 12-string reissue which is almost perfectly intonated in every position. If that piece of junk can play in tune then a Deacon 12 should too.
Anyone know the factory string gauges for a Deacon 12. Presumably the saddle was compensated for a specific string set. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | From the Ovation Tribute site:
Deacon 12 Manual
String gauges listed on the last page. |
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Location: Scotland | Doh! I have that manual. And strangely, that's the gauges I'm using and it's still not right |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Paul, I'll be looking out for your CD in the shops, the sound you produce playing up at the 24th fret of a 12 string Deacon, must sound quite extraordinary. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
fact that the early Ovation electric 12-string bridges have a fixed saddle seems to the obstacle to an accurate set-up. Didn't you once tell me that the there was no need for the Schaller 12 string adjustable bridge because the original brass bridge was right on? Or words to that effect? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Is this the part where Perry Mason starts to pace in front of the witness? |
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Location: SoCal | You can't do that with Temp. He just opens a bottle of wine and starts snickering.... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm sure moody was named after Perry's faithful PI, Paul Drake. Drake didn't dress as well, though. Magnum kind of changed the dress code. |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Ah, but, did he mention `within the limits of tempered tuning'? whatever that means ! |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | I think the best solution would be to get somebody else to play the 12 string parts. |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Captain Black:
I think the best solution would be to get somebody else to play the 12 string parts. OK, you're hired. Sessions start as soon as you are availble. We'll pay standard Musician's Union hourly rate plus travelling, accomodation and PD's. Make sure you bring an electric 12-string that's up to the task.
Oh, and if you are struggling with the definition of "tempered tuning" then you should think twice about offering advice about guitar intonation. |
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Location: Yorkshire, England | Thanks, I'll be right over -Where's that darned Danelectro? |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
Didn't you once tell me that the there was no need for the Schaller 12 string adjustable bridge because the original brass bridge was right on? Or words to that effect? No, I told you that the Schaller bridge was a total design abortion, because the saddle adjustment screws are in the wrong place and are obstructed by the bridge pickup, and the original Ovation bridge was a major compromise but kinda OK-ish. Glad we cleared that up. |
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Location: Shotley Bridge, Northern England | Paul, I'll get a pic off to you over the weekend in case the replacement from CrimsonLake doesn't work out. Sorry for the delayed reply; I forgot which thread I had posted on... :o
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Update - I've traded emails with Lars at Schaller - and it appears that they don't have anymore of the threaded posts or barrels for the all metal bridges. |
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