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Location: Brisbane Australia | Art I'm on it
But I don't like my chances.
Although I did get that red TBolt
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Really AJ... I've spent a bunch of money on guitar-stuff and presents and such lately.
(and I'm on unemployment :( )
But I'd be really upset if this thing goes for $265 and nobody here got it!
It is a buyers' market out there...
(which means that I can't sell any of my beaters for what I paid for them)
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| I've been watching it, too. That and a nice wood-top 12-er. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Serge you can have the 12 :D
BTW I would have had no objection to TJ taking my Proto to your gathering.
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| Originally posted by AussieJames:
I would have had no objection to TJ taking my Proto to your gathering. I can understand and appreciate his reluctance. No matter, I'll get to see it in March :)
AJ, if you really want the Patriot I'll defer. It's just that when I first showed SWMBO the Patriot & the 12-er her comment was "well, if you don't spend more than about $500 on each then I won't object. It's only when you start spending more than $2K on multiple guitars that I start to have a problem." To my ears that's a green light for getting as many guitars as I want in this buyer's market ;) |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I have to chuckle how we call ebay such things as ebarf, evilbay, etc. Yet deep down I think we all love it, all browse it every day and would probably all be devistated if it went away. Talk about getting no respect ...
That Patriot looks nice. Would look nicer if you painted over the bumper sticker.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Wonder what the sticker is made outta...
And how many people have wiped-over one with the wrong stuff just to see it fade/streak/peel/whatever. |
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Location: Brisbane Australia | Serge if you want it go for it, all is fair in love and guitar collecting.
I would really prefer a "John Lennon"
So f@@king hard being an Ovation enthusiast in Oz!!
But fun really!!
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Wonder what the sticker is made outta...
And how many people have wiped-over one with the wrong stuff just to see it fade/streak/peel/whatever. Here's a chance for Beal to beat me over the head with the facts, but I've taken a close look at mine, and this is what it looks like to me:
First, I know it's a stencil because the original ads describe it as such. Second, it appears to be painted (not a decal). Third, it's beneath the final finish, hence it isn't going anywhere unless you strip the whole top and sand it down.
This guitar definitely falls in the love/hate category for folks. I personally think the stencil is very cool and certainly unique. And since the stencils were destroyed after the production run, I actually feel that this is one of the more collectible Ovations because they cannot completely reproduce it. If you have a 2009 OFC calendar and want to see the stencil close up, mine is pictured in July. The same pic is on my ning page.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I recall reading that after they ran out of the decals, a few years passed, then they released the same guitar, sans decal, as the Legend Limited. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I spotted this and thought I'd sneak in a bid for $250 or so today and get it. What's the saying about doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results? This was my second choice behind the Balladeer Reissue, and I would have paid more than twice what this one is at. Timing is everything, but rarely my thing.
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| Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
Serge, it sounds like you've been sitting at the green light too long already. Better get moving. There's a flaw in my designs - there are actually 3 other guitars on Ebay that I would love to get right now - a solid body Viper (my first electric in 25 years), a S/B 1659 12 to match my S/B 1619, and now the S/B 1538 that would go oh-so-well with my S/B 1537. Too many choices, and there's no way SWMBO would allow all 4 at once! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Patch:
This guitar definitely falls in the love/hate category for folks. I personally think the stencil is very cool and certainly unique.
Playability and soundwise, it's an A-braced Custom Legend, and there ain't a thing wrong with that! Totally agree! 
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Serge, I know the feeling. There are always too many goodies for the available funds. I'd like to have more experience with the available funds part, though. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Over 350.00. Now it's off to the races. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I decided to wait until noon and put in a bid around $350. I just checked and it's there already. It's not going to be cheap enough for me to get in the doghouse over. We have too many other expenses right now. What else is new? Hope somebody else here gets it. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | This is worth way more than where it is now...somebody is going to get a fabulous piece of Ovation Guitar History...cheap...looks at least as nice as mine (mine is near mint) @ less money... |
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Location: South of most, North of few | 537.00 now. I don't know if I'd go that high on it. Of course, I'm not a fan of that particular model either. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | I have a feeling there will be 'firework$' just prior to closing... |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | James,
My post wasn't implying our membership if you took it that way. I have an odd feeling that there is at least one non-OFCer lurking out there with crosshairs on it.
It sure is pretty... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Bid retraction back at $355 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I still read it at $355, where it's been since noon. Are we looking at the same one? |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Mark,
Not long ago it was at $535...  |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Yes, a bid of $725 was retracted...wrong amount entered... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I don't understand this, so I better stay away. Could it be that the bid at $725, retracted, bounced the next bid to $535, but that's the same bidder as the $355, so it bounced back down to $355? $355 is a good deal for somebody, but it's not me. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Somebody fishing to see how high the next bidder was willing to go...Fu*^kin lame ass bidders.
Pisses off the seller and is unfair to the "true" high bidder.
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Location: Brisbane Australia | $757 anyone here get it?
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Location: south east Michigan | Well... that was fun to watch.
$757 took it.
I'd think the seller should be happy. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Not me. Too scared. Every time I hit refresh, I'd get a different number, sometimes higher and sometimes lower. It brought a good price though. Glad for the seller that someone didn't poison the bidding. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Well, that was interesting. One of those two bidders was going to get it for sure. Anybody else addicted to the Barrett-Jackson classic car auctions? I watch those for hours, then feel like crap for wasting the time, but I can't stop. I lived in the days when you could by those cars for less than retail. I bought a 1956 chevy Belair 2-door hardtop, complete, just for the engine, which wasn't running. Paid $100 and towed it home, removed the engine, then called the junkyard and had them tow the car sans engine away for free. I have a dozen similar stories. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Me too Brad...
And I like BJ as well...
And at the final sales price I got mine for less... :cool: |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by MusicMishka:
And at the final sales price I got mine for less... :cool: Then you got a steal! Mine was VERY near this price and I'm still elated. |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Well.....for no real mention of the condition, like fret wear etc., personally, I think it went for way too much. A guitar that they made 1776 copies of. They made quite a few other models that are of much better quality in less or around 100 copies that you can't give away now. (the UTE comes to mind) I would think, other than the patriotic banding, this is a 500.00 guitar on a good day. OK, before I get buried in hate responses, I know a guitar is worth what the market will bring, but I just don't get it about this model. That's a lot of copies floating around to demand such a price.
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | a guitar is worth what the market will bring and today the market bore $757.00...
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
Well..... personally, I think it went for way too much.
OK, open fire....
I didn't expect to win it, but I didn't expect it to go for that much either.
Maybe it wouldn't have gone that high if I hadn't told y'all about it. :p |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Slightly more than I paid for mine, but frankly, it's worth every penny if it's in the same shape. Beal let me off easy with mine...he could have gotten more. I also can't help but wonder....what was the original retail? This might be one of the few Ovations that's holding up value-wise.
Bearing in mind that I've flipped quite a few O's now, and noting that I'm admittedly biased, I still think this is one of Ovation's best, and certainly one of the more unique aesthetically.
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Location: South of most, North of few | True. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I also can't help but wonder....what was the original retail? This might be one of the few Ovations that's holding up value-wise.
Retail Price in 1976: $700.00 |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm just disappointed I spent so much time watching it. |
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Location: SoCal | The response to this guitar is what, as has been said, the basis for the collector series. All three of the ones that I have had (kept the a/e) have been an outstanding example of the deep bowl, AAA Spruce, and A brace.
If the pictures hadn't been poor quality, what appears to be several problems that weren't disclosed, no pictures of stated crack, ? fretwear, other chips/scratches, etc., I would have easily paid at least $550 for future profit. This looked to me as an 8.0 of 10.
As to market, some O's will rebound faster than others. $700-900 for a 9.5 or higher would still be a good deal. Expect to pay at least $300 higher for an a/e (only 10% of the 1,776 issue were a/e).
May have been 1,776 made but remember it is 33 years old.
I have an a/e that had some problems...great job by Kim and staff at the factory. Occasionally gets played, displayed in the living room.
Excellent guitar in all ways but, as a retired Marine Corps Officer, a commemoration of the sacrifices of many of our ancestors (T. Jefferson is a 1st cuz, Gen. G. Washington, Lt. Col. Light Horse Harry Lee, etc.).
There are flag guitars, as well as guitars made from the "Liberty Tree". Personally, this is the best of the best. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | From the first one I saw in 1976, it remained a guitar that I dearly wanted. As the years went by if I found one, it was either trashed or so expensive I couldn't aford it.
Well, I finally found one. I took a chance as those pic's of the guitar also were not very good; however when I called the original owner, and with talk and additional pic's, I felt all would be OK. The guitar needed strings, a good cleaning, and several small tweaks. When I was done, I discovered a Patriot in near mint condition (remember the guitars are 33 years old).
On the subject of the flag drape stencil: That is why I originally fell in love with this guitar. As a 2nd Gen. Marine that grew up in the Colonial cradle of our country, that flag and our history mean a great deal to me. It also meant a great deal to the original owner who felt the guitar was finally going back to the place in the country where it belonged. That helped him sell his beloved guitar to someone he never met. Whatever, for a company to recognize that period meant (and means) a great deal to me.
The sound of the guitar is wonderful (AAA top and A bracing certainly help)...but I loved it because of what it represented...a period when being a Patriot meant everything...
And for me, thats really something to treasure!
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Tony and Mike,
You Gentlemen have expressed how I feel about the 1776 Patriot better than I've attempted in the past!
That 'distracting'/'unnecessary' adornment stands for all those that have, is and will bleed Red, White and Blue for our Freedoms and those that appreciate the same.
And, as stated above, to have a company memorialize our nation's birth and our founding fathers is, at the very least, a notable 'Duty', if not 'Above and Beyond'. I'm the very proud owner of #59 and am thankful for the opportunity to pass it on to one of my descendents.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I've toyed time and again with the idea of putting a pre-amp in mine. I've even watched a couple of used ones go by on eBay. I've also checked with Kim Keller about the cost involved (more than I thought it would be until he explained the bridge would need to be replaced with one routed for the pickup). The more I looked, the less original the guitar got, so I've drawn in those snares.
I'll have to settle for having a near-mint example with a really cool number (76) to boot. I came real close to trying to pry #1 from Beal, but I don't think SWMBO would entirely understand two identical guitars. Still, I think about it on occasion. I also wonder who got #1776. I'd like to get hold of that one too.
While I'm pipe-dreaming, I suppose I should buy a lottery ticket eh?
BTW, for you vets on this post, here's my close-up of the stencil. My sentiments for this motif are identical to yours. And while I'm at it, Thank you kindly for your service. 
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Location: South of most, North of few | Tony, Mike and Johnny, I hope you guys didn't mistake my comments for disrespect for my flag or country. As bad as things are here now, I will still respect and defend our country and flag to the end and not a day goes by that I don't pray for our country. I think that stencil and label are the only things that make this guitar any more than an A braced legend. The nutmeg color doesn't do a thing for me though, and I think what Patch said is very true. This is one you either fall in love with or don't give a second look. That said, I did have a bid in on it, ;) but it was much under what it went for. Maybe I'm not as in tune with the market as I thought.
And Patch, that's a very nice picture! Yours looks to be in very nice shape and I echo your sentiments, thanks to all the Vets for their service to our country. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Jim, absolutely not...I was just defending why I particuraly like the Patriot...and I know that there are others who feek differently, that's cool...I'm not a fan of the 89 C...I personally think it's butt ugly...but thats my view and others will disagree...thats what makes us who we are...it'd be boring if we all felt and liked the same...
See we do agree: great pic Patch!
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Ditto what Jim said. I'm not disrespecting the flag at all. That stencil will be the reason some folks are attracted to this guitar. It's also the reason some people like me wouldn't want to own it. To each their own. In the end it's still a guitar and the couple that I've played sounded pretty nice. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Hopefully NO one mistook my post as a commendation of those who do not esteem the 1776 Patriot as much as I. Please note, I did write "those that appreciate the same" in reference to our heritage, not the guitar!
I was just expressing my attractions to the Patriot, and feel that Mike and Tony were doing the same.
Day-um, if we condemn others for not having the same 'tastes', then all the efforts mentioned were all for naught. Besides, then we'd probably wouldn't have the plethora of brands, models and configurations. Hey, I don't like mustard greens, but my brother still loves me...  |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I didn't get the feeling that anyone was being negative. We're all adults and usually recognize each others' right to our opinions. Some like it, some don't. It's as simple as that.
Also, in my last post, I linked a nifty little emoticon saluting our vets and flag. I previewed it and it worked fine last night, but this morning some gremlin has turned it into an ad! :mad:
I sincerely apologize for any confusion. Miles or Al, if you can, please delete that stupid thing from my post! |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | That's OK Patch. I knew what happened.
Hey, I can't even get 'condemnation' in my post correct... :rolleyes: |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Lighten up all you flag wavers. I'm not a fan of the stencil. I'm not as sure it was a tribute as an attempt to sell guitars based on the bicentennial fever of the time. Not a criticism. I'd much rather buy a guitar as a tribute to the bicentennial than a tribute to John Lennon, which brings me to my point.
One of my favorite guitars I've ever played was Dave's John Lennon reissue. I think the nutmeg color is great and the sound was fantastic. I passed on that one because I bought the 30thCL. I have no interest in it due to it's association with John Lennon, but only because I like the looks and sound.
I figure that if the Patriot sounds and looks close to that guitar, and is a somewhat limited edition, the little stencil just adds a little flavor to a guitar I'd like to have. I would never have the stencil removed. It would defeat one of the purposes of the guitar. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Yeah Mark, I lived in Boston in the 70"s...
They were pushing the "Boston 200" thing from about 1969 on til 1976. Which is kinda stupid since Boston was founded in 1630, meaning that Boston was 346 years old in 1976...
You could get Bicentennial Toilet Paper back then. (Which I guess shoulda been Leaves!) |
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Location: NJ | ". . You could get Bicentennial Toilet Paper back then. (Which I guess shoulda been Leaves!) . ."
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Location: south east Michigan | My wife was looking over my as the auction ended and remarked... "Geez.. you'd thing they would shine up that guitar before taking a picture." |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Love the guitar, but have never been moved by the stencil. On the other hand, if I wanted to show my love of and support for Uncle Sam and Betsy Ross, this would be more like it . . .
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
this would be more like it . . .
That's THE one I would love to own! I missed out on one last year. This would sit next to my Washburn D2001PWH! |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Love the guitar, but have never been moved by the stencil. On the other hand, if I wanted to show my love of and support for Uncle Sam and Betsy Ross, this would be more like it . . .
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Location: South Windsor Connecticut | I have a collection of items from 1976 and was watching this one. Can't really afford it. Anyways I did not bid but how did it go from $355 to over $700? I think something funny was going on (the dock of that Bay) ...... |
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Location: SoCal | I had previously posted, "There are flag guitars, as well as guitars made from the "Liberty Tree". Personally, this is the best of the best."
Liberty Tree was refering to the Taylor. May have been from very old wood but (for me) it is still a Taylor. For Taylor buyers, a nice offering. We all have our opinions, as well as why we like a particular model.
Personally, the only "flag" guitar I would get excited about is Samova's Greek flag guitar which I believe is one of three.
Appreciation of this guitar is 1st the playability and "responsiveness". 2nd, a personal opinion or interest. I don't see it as "flag waving" even if I am the only one with an American flag in the neighborhood.
If you don't like the guitar or the "stencil", then don't buy it or belittle or demean what some of us like. Again, the response by buyers when it was introduced influenced Ovation to create the Collectors series.
The market for a guitar is made by the seller paying dollars, not non-buyers expressing opinions.
As an aside, I have a non-FRG of the Lennon RI. Personally, I like the Patriot better (very subjective and maybe the age of the top). |
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EvilBay - Patriot 1776 #239