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Location: Greece | Can anyone describe the differences between 1769 ADII and Adamas 1687-8? I own the ADII for a couple of years..Pretty good instrument but i decide to change it with an Adamas 1687-8 Anniversary..Good choice? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Lots!... I'm guessing.
The Adamas has a carbon fiber top, the ADII has Spruce... Nice wood, but wood.
One is a cutaway, one ain't.
You can compare the specs... 1769 ADII to the Adamas ...
But I have not played either, so I cannot say.
If you had the opportunity to play them side-by-side that might help you decide.
But until someone with more experience answers... Welcome! :cool: |
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Location: South of most, North of few | I'd say you'd be trading up into a whole nother league by getting the Adamas |
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Location: Greece | Thanks OMA!..No, so far i didn't have the opportunity to play them side-by-side..I do like ADII a lot, but for some reason this guitar push me to play Meola style every time i hold it and this bother me a lot. |
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Location: Greece | "I'd say you'd be trading up into a whole nother league by getting the Adamas"...??
I do not understand english very very well so would you please explain what do you mean TJ? |
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Location: Germany | I'm also one of the few non-English native speakers on this board and can understand your problem very well. To make it simple, Jim said: "The Adamas are much better guitars compared to the ADII". I totally agree with him.
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Location: Greece | Thanks for the explanation Karl! Do you think the same as T.J.? |
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Location: Greece | FANTASTIC COLLECTION KARL!!! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Karl needs to update his Adamas photo ... |
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Location: South of most, North of few | Sorry for the confusion. I tend to assume everyone has an understanding of the crazy language we wrongly call English. (more like Americaneze) :D Yes, the Adamas should be a much better guitar in sound and value. |
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Location: SoCal | A lot of people here consider a move from a wood topped Ovation to a carbon fiber topped Adamas, a move up. Some of us don't. To us, it's just a different sound, not necessarily better.
It's a bigger, deeper, clearer sound, like a wood topped Ovation on steroids. It's a great sound. But better? I don't know.
Ice cream...... |
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| I have a 1687-8 RI, and the closest I have to the ADII is the 1987 Collector (Elite-style epaulets instead of the traditional round soundhole, but otherwise the same - AAA top, deep bowl cutaway, but different bracing).
As Moody says, they are different sounds, but I wouldn't say one is "better" than the other. The 1687 is indeed deeper, perhaps a bit more strength in the bass range, but that could be due to its' being a full body and not a cutaway. The Adamas is full of harmonic undertones, like a grand piano, while the 87C is bright and clear in all ranges, but especially in the mids and highs. Both are equally easy to play, and both get a lot of use.
Indeed, different flavors of ice cream - depends on your preference, particular song, and style of play. I prefer the 1687 for fingerstyle and the 87C for flatpicking, but somebody else will have the opposite preference.
Why change? Keep both! |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by G8r:
Why change? Keep both! Bingo! Or keep both until you decide which one you prefer then get rid of the one you don't play...... |
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Location: South of most, North of few | See, that's why we keep Paul and Serge around, they're so smart. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
See, that's why we keep Paul and Serge around, they're so smart. In case that's all Greek to you, the translation is: Trader Jim agrees with moody p.i. and g8r. I agree with them, too. The ADII is a variety of Custom Legend, which I think has a wonderful sound. The Adamas guitars also sound great, but it is different. There really is no comparison. It is like asking how apples compare to oranges. They both are round. |
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Location: Bangkok, Thailand | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
A lot of people here consider a move from a wood topped Ovation to a carbon fiber topped Adamas, a move up. Some of us don't. To us, it's just a different sound, not necessarily better.
It's a bigger, deeper, clearer sound, like a wood topped Ovation on steroids. It's a great sound. But better? I don't know.
Ice cream...... +1 |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | v74, don't encourage Moody by agreeing with him :p |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | The ADII also has that little boost button on the upper bout that allows one to shift into another gear (increase volume) when plugged in. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
The ADII also has that little boost button on the upper bout that allows one to shift into another gear (increase volume) when plugged in. ... as does the new OFC GUITAR II |
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Location: Germany | I totally agree with Paul and G8 when we talk about sound. But overall the Adamas guitars play in another league. Wood-top guitars (including Ovations) often need a neck-reset after 20+ years. I've seen a lot of wooden tops with cracks in wood or finish. Have you ever seen an Adamas with a top crack (violence excluded) or in need of a neck-reset? I recently purchased a 31 years old Adamas (pictures coming soon) and after 3 decades it still has one of the best setups and actions I've ever seen. Dave is my witness, it plays like it was setup yesterday.
Adamas guitars are of stable value and a good investment. IMHO overall the better guitar.
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Location: SoCal | Karl,
I wouldn't debate you on the durability of an Adamas over almost any other guitar. That's just a flat out fact.
But to me, a guitar is more than that. It's how it feels and sounds and looks. I'm not worried that in 20 years my rebuilt Legend will need a neck reset. Hell, I'll probably need one as well. Right now, tho', I like the overall package of my Legend (like your rebuilt DB -- you didn't sell it and buy another Adamas, you had it rebuilt and now enjoy it for what it is). |
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Location: Germany | Paul,
nearly 30 years ago I purchased my first "real" guitar. I was a 20 years old student and this 12-string Washburn costed me an arm and a leg. I loved this guitar and the girls loved me. In the end this guitar helped me to find my beloved wife. This guitar was full of emotions.
After 20 years it was scrap. Action about half of an inch. The luthiers I showed the guitar said I should keep it as a decoration. This is still my guitar trauma.
That's why a guitar for me is more than feel and sound and look. I wish I could still play this guitar like I did nearly 30 years ago. I wish I would have bought an Adamas 1688 back then. But I didn't have the money to do that.
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Location: SoCal | Great story Karl. But the heck with the guitar. I just want to be 30 years younger...... |
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Location: Germany | I couldn't agree more with you. Let us discuss this topic again in 30 years. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Karl, if the only witness you can find is Dave, try to find a backup. |
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Location: Portland, OR | I have both. Soundwise I like the 768 and 9's a little better. But since I got it, I've gone with the Adamas 1681 at church because it gives nothing up for sound and I don't have to worry about the wood. If that makes any sense. And it's a beautiful instrument too.
At home, I probably go with the N769. Don't need the volume and the sound suits me better. Moody's right. It's what you feel in the music that decides where, what and when. |
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Location: Omaha, Nebraska | Hey John,
I haven't been on the site in a long time, but am still alive... So you added a 1681 to the Nakao. Congrats... One of these days I'll do it. I've been playing more bass in the last year because that's what they needed at church, but still have some N768 time almost every day.
Best regards, |
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