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Location: South of most, North of few | Well, I've never owned a Taylor and never really wanted to, but I know quite a few people who do, and they really like them. They do build a very nice looking guitar and from what I've seen, fit and finish is as good as any out there. I know Taylor bashing is a normal past time around here, but take it easy, there are some here that are fans. I think even Dave borrowed one from Ronnie that he liked even if he did have to go incognito. :D |
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Location: GA USA | My son has one and it's pretty nice, but no. I can't let up. It's just too much fun. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Start bashing Collings' or Tak's and watch the indignation rise! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Trader Jim:
I think even Dave borrowed one from Ronnie that he liked Ronnies was the nicest guitar I ever played that I didn't want to own. |
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Start bashing Collings' or Tak's and watch the indignation rise! You are so right, OMA. Not that I have anything against them, except they lack a certain... roundness.
What makes Tay-bashing fun is the shrill fanaticism of SOME not-of-this-board owners. For the OFC members who own Taylors, it's just fun poking at them once in a while. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
What makes Tay-bashing fun is the shrill fanaticism of SOME not-of-this-board owners. For the OFC members who own Taylors, it's just fun poking at them once in a while. I can understand the Taylor folks problem...
Y'see, they already have this sneaking suspicion growing in their minds that maybe their Taylor really isn't worth the Thousands of Dollars that they paid for it...
Then some annoying freak comes along with a USO that they bought new (with a lifetime warranty and a bullet-proof case) for one-fifth of what they paid for the Taylor and just gives that suspicion a little nudge. :eek:
"Nyah! Ovations are made of Plastic!" :mad:
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I can understand the Taylor folks problem...
Y'see, they already have this sneaking suspicion growing in their minds that maybe their Taylor really isn't worth the Thousands of Dollars that they paid for it...
Then some annoying freak comes along with a USO that they bought new (with a lifetime warranty and a bullet-proof case) for one-fifth of what they paid for the Taylor and just gives that suspicion a little nudge.
"Nyah! Ovations are made of Plastic!"
"Yeah! And they're Loud too!"
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
... and a bullet-proof case Wrong there. IMO Ovation cases are just about the cheapest pieces of shite you can buy. At least in the upper end models, the Taylor cases are very nice. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Start bashing Collings' or Tak's and watch the indignation rise! Not true. Wouldn't bother me a bit if you started bashin on them......just means you have probably never played them ;) Tak's and Collings are worth every penny that they each cost in their respective price range. The same can't be said of the Taylor. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Not true. Wouldn't bother me a bit if you started bashin on them......just means you have probably never played them Tak's and Collings are worth every penny that they each cost in their respective price range. The same can't be said of the Taylor.
I strongly disagree here...In my opinion, this is still the Ovation Fan Club: not the Tak fan club or the Collings or Gibson fan club...so of course it wouldn't be the Taylor fan club either...However, I have owned and still own some of the finest Taylor's made (as well as many other makes)...Here is a bit of observed fact: just because a guitar is one price at retail, does not mean that you have to pay that price to own that model: patience and due dilligence do pay off...
As the blind sound test from last year proved, the Taylor 615 w/Brazilian RW constantly garnered many top votes and overall finished in 2nd place. That guitar retailed for almost $5,000 but with patience I was able to buy it brand new for $2400...that was in 1998. The '47 RI which took 1st place in the sound test also retailed for $5000 and I purchased it for $3200...(of course you don't hear much about that being too much money)...
The '48 Martin D-28 was in third place and is valued at around $13,000 to $15,000....a RI Martin authentic D-28 costs around $30,000 and retails even higher...I would break hearts if you knew what I have in this guitar...I was fortunate: right time/right place/yes, even blessed...
If some must put down a guitar brand to make themself feel/look "cool" or "knowledgeable": whatever; hence my lemmings comment. I disagree because I own 4 top of the line Taylors and they constantly get the majority of positive comments from both audiences and visitors to my home (the Adamas and Martins do too although, granted, the '48 D-28 does have that "WOW" factor)...
In the case of putting down other brands/makes however, I submit: 1. You probably don't own/play/use one; 2. You probably don't care about the feelings of those that do; 3. Have absolutely no concern how "small" such an attitude makes one look...not to mention the entire forum...
There are guitars that I personally do not like and have no desire to own...but I'll keep it to myself and let those that do own them enjoy and feel good about that purchase...
When it comes to Ovation/Adamas guitars vs. the rest of the guitar world, how about this:
We're not concieted, We're just convinced!
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by stephent28:
just means you have probably never played them I've played them, and I stand by my statement that they are not round.
Guys, this is a comedy thread. Lighten up. A simple ROFL will suffice. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Mike, you obviously missed the point of my comment.
Concerning Taylors I said (in cryptic terms) that the price point vs performance is not consistent across the line.
I still stand by that statement and I own a Taylor DDSM which is a a very fine guitar that plays and sounds wonderful. However the price point for Taylor vs the sound quality does not equate across the line....my opinion which is one that I value highly! :p
Concerning the sound clips you provided...and that Dave has provided....and that I have provided....and many others on other sites as well.....any results coming from those polls are just pure fun. There is NO WAY anybody can make a true sound determination on a guitar based on a compressed sound clip through computer monitors, laptop sound speakers or even decent room monitors.
If the Taylors you own are the top of your herd, then that's great but I bet they are all top end Taylors regardless of the price paid. A Brazilian Taylor is not a cheap guitar and I would expect it to sound terrific....but how many of us have actually seen a Brazilian model much less played one.....or a '48 Martin D-28 or any of the other high end expensive models that you name dropped.
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
to make themself feel/look "cool" or "knowledgeable" Kinda how I feel about some of the sig lines
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
In the case of putting down other brands/makes however, I submit: 1. You probably don't own/play/use one; I still own a Taylor and a Martin that I plan to sell. While it is the only Taylor I have owned I have owned many Martins. I just don't care for them as much as other makes and models.
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
2. You probably don't care about the feelings of those that do; Please, lets not make assumptions based on opinions.
Originally posted by MusicMishka:
3. Have absolutely no concern how "small" such an attitude makes one look...not to mention the entire forum... Now you got me wondering if a Taylor fanatic from the AGF has stolen Music Mikes identity. ;)
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Get off the caffeine my friend....you are stressing out too much and Taylor bashing takes the play of politics and religion for off topic fun.
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by gulfcoast:
Well mike looks like we found the #!@hole now all we need are five strings and two fingers :) Good one :D
It's why I enjoy this forum. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Originally posted by Captain_Lovehandles:
You see an add for free horse crap, and think it might make a funny joke... I thought it was hilarious but I guess we aren't allowed humor anymore.
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Location: GATLINBURG TENNESSEE :) | The only Taylor I liked playing (and I DID try a lot of them at Elderly in Lansing) was the 914ce, and I had to play four different ones before I found one of those that impressed me. I probably would have considered paying $800 - $900 for it, but any one of my Ovations sound and play better than it did overall. The Taylor was about $4000.
Puting all the ho-hum aside, I like all good sounding guitars and liked the fertilizer joke. |
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I thought that just had ads "escorts" |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Stephen, while I did use your quote, I was not directing what I said in particular to you...I know you have a DDSM...sorry if you thought I did...
Actually, all of this is pointless...
Last I looked, there are bigger problems going on... |
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You know that you and I are tight and outasight :) . |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Maybe if the average taylor owner wasn't such a douche bag it wouldn't be so entertaining to poke fun at their guitars.
This does NOT apply to you guys Mike, Ronnie, T28 or anyone else here. You guys obviously are the exception to the rule since you are smart enough to also own ovations, martins, collings, etc. But the thing I find ironic is how we, as ovation fans, have endured a lifetime of redicule about our plastic guitars, yet we mention one anti-taylor comment someplace like the AGF and immediately everyones panties get wrapped around the axle.
Somebody go post the following on the AFG. I DARE YOU ...
"I am looking to buy a new guitar and I am really impressed with Ovation. I have tried many other brands like Taylor and Martin but I keep coming back to the Ovation. I think the model is called the Legend. It's less money than the other guitars but actually seems better made and plays wonderfully. I am not an expert but the sound seems so much more crisp and alive than the other brands. I was a little concerned about the synthetic back but it seems very comfortable and over all the Ovation guitar really seems to be a better choice. Does anyone have experience with Ovation guitars and do you think I am making a good choice if I buy it? I could afford the Taylor or Martin my budget is $2000. but my impression is that the Ovation is better."
You will see that the T-bashing around here is mere childs play compared to the onslaught of venom that will flow off that board. It's downright comical. Remember the thread over there a few years ago about the Tak 75 Braz? They went on and freaking on how a piece of japanese junk should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as a Collings. One idiot was especially vocal in the matter and Beal took him to the mat. Four pages in he even admits that he never personally played or heard one. I never laughed so hard in my life.
For me the "sport" of Taylor bashing is as much just fun as it is fact. I've played some nice ones but never nice enough to want to own. There's an imaginary line in my sand and a guitar has to cross it for me to open my wallet. For whatever reason Takamines, Ovations, Martins and Collings cross that line by the dozens. The only Taylor that has crossed has been the Big Baby which to me is the best Taylor. But everyones line in the sand is drawn in a different spot, so hence Taylor is very popular with a lot of folks. Which is good.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Somebody go post the following on the AFG. I DARE YOU ... Done. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | So far they are playing very nice. Almost like they know it was a setup. I am impressed by their responses. Maybe just a few bad apples spoil it for all the others.
We shall see as the thread continues to grow (so far 5 responses). |
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Truth be told, I don't own a Legend. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Pretty civil thus far...
"The only real deal breaker for me is the tight string spacing..."
"...which really works well with O's crisp, clean, non-bassy sound..."
"Maybe some day, they'll build an affordable model with a wider neck"
Herein lies the issue with the opportunity to try the myriad of 'O'/'A' models, there just aren't enough models in the showrooms. Those of us fortunate enough to attend the 'gatherings' get to sample a smörgåsbord of flavors in tone, neck width, etc. and make an informed decision as to which 'O'/'A' meets our need$/ears/styles.
I wonder how many, if any, non-OFC members over there have listened to Music Mike's 'comparison' project?
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | I fully know the history of ridicule Ovation has endured at the hands of the uneducated and uninformed on the other sites for many years: I have been a proud player and owner of nearly 50 Ovation and Adamas guitars for nearly 35 years...
Certainly, as owners and players of Ovation/Adamas instruments, we know better...but folks, it's not the guitars that are at fault: either Ovation or Taylor; Tak or whatever...it's the owner/user/collector, or in the case of the other forums, mostly the non-users or big egomaniacs who have the problems...and it not only makes them look ignorant it makes the entire forum look bad...it also makes the brand look bad...
I just thought we could be better than they are: just because they are the way they are does not mean we can't rise above it and be different...our guitars are certainly better on many price points as well as technology: they speak for themselves...we on the forum just went through a period of growth (personal and collectively as a forum) of remembering that many industry personnel look at this forum...sticking up for your favorite brand does not mean that you have to douche someone else’s...it makes the sum total look a bit more unappealing to the casual visitor...sure it's fun...but fun at someone else’s expense is just not right...are we really that bored? Grab your Ovation/Adamas and find a nursing home to play for…or a retirement gathering…or a veterans program…(and so on)…lets be useful and not a hindrance or, as we in ministry like to call it, a stumbling block…I’m being sincere here folks…I believe it’s that important.
That’s my opinion and I know it's not shared by some; it's just the way I see it and how much I care about the big picture...let the other forums look and sound like the uninformed mob that they are...we're better than that...at least I would hope so!
BTW: Dave I think that's pretty harmless and Waskel, thanks for posting that...let's watch and see...I think Stephen agrees with me that it is mainly a few "bad apples...we'll see... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Waskel dropped the ball by not putting the word "ovation" in the title. The real stove knitters will see "looking for a new guitar" and not even click it.
Try putting "Selling my Taylor to buy an Ovation" or "Brazillian vs. Lyrachord" in the title and watch the sparks fly. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
most of the time bent over trying to read the print in his song book If you sit up straight they slip off your knee |
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Opie is pointless? I say thee nay! Oblio was pointless.
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Waskel dropped the ball by not putting the word "ovation" in the title. The real stove knitters will see "looking for a new guitar" and not even click it.
Try putting "Selling my Taylor to buy an Ovation" or "Brazillian vs. Lyrachord" in the title and watch the sparks fly. You're right, my bad. I realized it moments after I posted it. It let me change the title of my post, but not the title of the thread.
Fairly civil responses, so far. It hasn't been out there that long.
But reading between the lines...
"you must love better the crisp trebely tone on the ovation"
"I've considered getting a lower end Ovation a couple of times."---"The only real deal breaker for me is the tight string spacing. Aside from that, I'd love to have one."
"my preference is for a good number of other guitars over anything I've ever played by Ovation. I own Taylors, but I like Martins, Gibsons, etc."---"I have friends who are excellent guitarists who love their Ovations. Personally, I don't."
"There are much better guitars out there but, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an Ovation."
Good intentions... but even in these friendly responses I detect a definite bias, a down-the-nose, ugly stepchild sort of attitude toward O's.
Not to mention a certain bit of, "No, really, some of my best friends are (fill in the blank)s". |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | "I've considered getting a lower end Ovation a couple of times."
"The only real deal breaker for me is the tight string spacing. Aside from that, I'd love to have one."
I don't believe that there are any 'Cheap' Folklores or Classics. (maybe CC059)
There are some 'Cheap' Academy's floating around, but you won't find them in retail stores.
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Valid point about the lack of wide neck Ovations. They really should do a wide neck celebrity. You can get a Folklore for just under $1900, but if you know the right Al, I mean person, you can get an Adamas 1680 for not much more. Seems to be a gap below the Folklore. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by gulfcoast:
Ovation needs to offer more guitars with 1 3/4 nuts. Stay tuned ... |
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| Originally posted by TAFKAR:
Valid point about the lack of wide neck Ovations. They really should do a wide neck celebrity. You can get a Folklore for just under $1900, but if you know the right Al, I mean person, you can get an Adamas 1680 for not much more. Seems to be a gap below the Folklore.
1985 Folklore 1614 available. |
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Location: Indiana | So, we're trolling other forums now and observing the response as a group. Then the other forum goes and replies with civility... even the negative wasn't condescending.
Still, we go ahead and fill in the lines for them... all the bad things they didn't say but we know they meant.
Silly.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Don't go giving AGF the win until you type 'ovation' in their search box. That's some fun reading. I like this one ...
"The only way I would play an Ovation would be if I had a gig in a jungle and couldn't afford a Rainsong or a CA"
Granted of you typed 'taylor' in our search box you'd get some pretty amusing stuff as well. Guess that's why they are called the Taylor fan club and we're call the the Ovation fan club. |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | So, we're trolling other forums now and observing the response as a group. Then the other forum goes and replies with civility... even the negative wasn't condescending.
Still, we go ahead and fill in the lines for them... all the bad things they didn't say but we know they meant.
Silly.
I'd have to give the win to AGF on this one.
I've been playing my Custom Legend 12 and having a blast: tomorrow morning in church I'll be playing the Taylor 810 Fall Limited and doing the same...
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by bigB:
Originally posted by TAFKAR:
Valid point about the lack of wide neck Ovations. They really should do a wide neck celebrity. You can get a Folklore for just under $1900, but if you know the right Al, I mean person, you can get an Adamas 1680 for not much more. Seems to be a gap below the Folklore.
1985 Folklore 1614 available. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Patience, Grasshopper. Patience. Stop teasing me. I don't have any patience. Luckily I have the attention span of a goldfish.
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